Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier properitery product as Open ?

[Ravi Kumar]

This is a good thread, and let us discuss to derive a 'Note', for those
facing 'Questions', evangelising Free and Open GIS.

I suggest this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_platform for many who
wish to know.
May be we can have a page on, 'OSGeo Wiki' on this topic.
Cheers
Ravi Kumar


On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:45 AM, Suchith Anand <
suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a query. If a properitery GIS vendor starts marketing thier
> properitery products as Open platform and software then what rights do the
> organisations and customers have who are mislead buying the  properitery
> software thinking it is open have ?  The definision of Proprietary
> software [1] is very clearly defined, so  how can it be possible for any
> properitery GIS vendor to market their  software knowingly as open platform
> if it is properitery?
>
> This also greatly affects the business and revenues of true open source
> software companies .  Who is responsible for any misleading marketing that
> results in losses to both customers who are mislead to buy the properitery
> software thinking it is open  and also to other companies who do true open
> source business who lose out on the business opportunities? Is it right
> business ethics to do this?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier properitery product as Open ?

[Suchith Anand]

Kiringai and all,

Thanks to all who send your feedbacks from different perspectives to my query.  
Openness means being open to different perspectives ,ideas, viewpoints, 
cultures  and learning and improving to be a better human every day... We are 
all part of a big ecosystem all working for Geo. GeoForAll means Geo for All 
and we welcome everyone to be part of Openness in Education.  

The irony is that over 10 years back when i started putting my ideas and 
frameworks in place for Open Principles in Science and Education, some of the 
propertiery GIS vendors and thier supporters were laughing at me and doing 
thier best indirectly to stop me , but now it seems they are all working 
overtime trying to be Ambassodors of Openness!  Imitation is the sincerest form 
of flattery . What amazing changes happening and OSGeo has done great work to 
accelerate the pace of Open in all directions.  I welcome all to be part of the 
Open movement. 

One thing is clear . The Future of Geo is Open. 

Best wishes,

Suchith


From: Kiringai Kamau 
Sent: 23 March 2017 4:28 AM
To: Anand Suchith
Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; geofor...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to 
market thier properitery product as Open ?

Dear Suchith,

My opinion is that OSGeo defines the value chain orientation of open software 
to ensure customers.

This will help customers to understand the elements/components that are/should 
be open and which are value added contributions of the vendor. All value added 
innovations of the vendor can/should be the revenue stream that the community 
can advocate for, and campaign against exploitation of those that unwittingly 
become targets of unscrupulous vendors.

We can then leave the space of determining the value of the value added 
contribution to the private treaty of the two with the vendors encouraged to 
charge based on the intensity of the value add...

If a subcommittee on value added innovations goes not exist, then it behaves us 
to create one...we do need this very much in Africa.

Kiringai


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On 22 Mar 2017, at 23:15, Suchith Anand 
> wrote:


Hi all,


I have a query. If a properitery GIS vendor starts marketing thier properitery 
products as Open platform and software then what rights do the organisations 
and customers have who are mislead buying the  properitery software thinking it 
is open have ?  The definision of Proprietary software [1] is very clearly 
defined, so  how can it be possible for any properitery GIS vendor to market 
their  software knowingly as open platform if it is properitery?


This also greatly affects the business and revenues of true open source 
software companies .  Who is responsible for any misleading marketing that 
results in losses to both customers who are mislead to buy the properitery 
software thinking it is open  and also to other companies who do true open 
source business who lose out on the business opportunities? Is it right 
business ethics to do this?


Best wishes,

Suchith


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier properitery product as Open?

[Steven Feldman]

I wanted to respond to Suchith’s query but I found the strength and length of 
my thoughts to be too much to include in an email. I was also keen to share 
them with a wider audience than the regulars on this list.

So if you are interested in my views on the use of the adjective ‘open’ you can 
read my post on "Esri isn’t evil” at 
http://knowwhereconsulting.co.uk/blog/esri-isnt-evil/ 


Feel free to rant at me in the comments section of my blog or back her on the 
list

May the FOSS be with you
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>  properitery product as Open ? (Kiringai Kamau)
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> Hi all,
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> 
> I have a query. If a properitery GIS vendor starts marketing thier 
> properitery products as Open platform and software then what rights do the 
> organisations and customers have who are mislead buying the  properitery 
> software thinking it is open have ?  The definision of Proprietary software 
> [1] is very clearly defined, so  how can it be possible for any properitery 
> GIS vendor to market their  software knowingly as open platform if it is 
> properitery?
> 
> 
> This also greatly affects the business and revenues of true open source 
> software companies .  Who is responsible for any misleading marketing that 
> results in losses to both customers who are mislead to buy the properitery 
> software thinking it is open  and also to other companies who do true open 
> source business who lose out on the business opportunities? Is it right 
> business ethics to do this?
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Suchith
> 
> 
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software
> 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Ideas for the building global research agenda for Geospatial Data Science

[Suchith Anand]

Dear colleague,

The Geospatial IG of the Research Data Alliance will be meeting in Barcelona on 
5th April 2017 to keep building ideas for the global research agenda for 
Geospatial Data Science.I am pleased to send the final meeting agenda and 
invite all interested to join.

The meeting objectives are to :

* Discussions on Geospatial Data Science - Vision 2030 [1]
* Plan next steps from OpenCitySmart and UrbanGeoBigData [2]

* Ideas for Education programs for Geospatial Data Science

* Discuss Ideas for starting new WGs in Transport Data

Meeting agenda

This meeting aims to build upon our previous meetings and draft agenda below

* Updates on Geospatial IG - Suchith Anand (GODAN/University of Nottingham)
* Discussions on new WG in Transport Data that is in progress - Beth Zeitler 
(Millennium Challenge Corporation, USA)
* Coverage: Standards for Big Earth Data - Peter Baumann (Jacobs University)
* Enabling the re-use of spatial information across domains - Andrea Perego 
(JRC, European Commission)
* Copernicus EU Programme - Andrea Perego (JRC, European Commission)
* Joint W3C/OGC Spatial Data on the Web WG - Andrea Perego (JRC, European 
Commission)
* Discussions on Geospatial Data Science - Vision 2030 - chaired by Suchith 
Anand (GODAN/University of Nottingham)
* The Rise of OpenStreetMap as a World Mapping Agency [3] - discussions chaired 
by Suchith Anand (GODAN/University of Nottingham)
* NASA Europa Challenge 2017 and OpenCitySmart updates - Suchith Anand 
(GODAN/University of Nottingham)

* Updates on Capacity Development from IGAD meeting - Suchith Anand 
(GODAN/University of Nottingham)

* Ideas/updates on Training programs for Geospatial Data Science - All
* Ideas for specific actions /new WGs in Geospatial IG - All

There will be gotomeeting facility for those interested to join remotely. I am 
waiting for the RDA hosts to send me the details of this and it will updated in 
the main website at
https://www.rd-alliance.org/ig-geospatial-rda-9th-plenary-meeting

I look forward to welcome you all for productive discussions and actions for 
building  the global research agenda for Geospatial Data Science.

Best wishes,

Suchith



[1] 
http://www.geoconnexion.com/uploads/publication_pdfs/uk_v15i18-058-059-Op951AF3.pdf

[2] 
https://www.devex.com/news/how-nasa-and-the-un-are-using-location-intelligence-to-build-smart-cities-in-developing-countries-89721
[3] 
http://opensourcegeospatial.icaci.org/2017/03/the-rise-of-openstreetmap-as-a-world-mapping-agency/





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