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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

2017-10-17 Thread Ravi Kumar

GFOSS.. Commercial Support.. +1 for this.
But.. now that this has come to a boil..

WHY NOT THE BOARD AND WOULD BE BOARD COME OUT CLEAR ON THIS..
SURE THIS WILL HELP THE CHARTER.. WHOM TO VOTE..
'Free and Open Source'.. has brought to where we are.. This is a community
effort.

Is there a solution to OSGeo FOSS4G events, that are affordable to
Users/Developers/Students..

Ravi Kumar



On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Tom Chadwin 
wrote:

> Hello all
>
> A significant group who have possibly not yet chimed in on this issue are
> the commercial organizations who sell GFOSS support and development. I
> presume that FOSS4G is one of their best opportunities to get new business.
>
> I know there have been recent discussions/disagreements on this list about
> how far OSGeo should promote commercial organizations. However, these
> companies are the crucial element in GFOSS adoption in many larger public-
> and private-sector bodies. Many simply will not entertain GFOSS without
> commercial support, many believe the old myth that open source means no
> support, and many simply will not accept the risk of GFOSS without that
> support.
>
> My point is that GFOSS would not have anything like the market penetration
> it now does without commercial companies offering open-source support and
> development. As I say, I stand to be corrected, but FOSS4G surely enables
> them to persuade others to migrate to GFOSS, which is to the whole
> community's benefit.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
> PS  Please forgive enormous corporate sigfile...
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GeoAmbassador – Sven Schade

2017-10-17 Thread Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)

If Maria is the queen of GIS then Sven is its princely king.

He has quietly and with deep conviction, and consistent action, been a 
fantastic Atlas helping to keep the GIS world in balance. We are very lucky to 
have his vision and his tremendous enterprise so beautifully applied.

As Maria says “Well deserved!”

GeoForAll and AllForGeo -Patrick

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Congrats Sven!!

Well deserved!

Maria

Pay attention to this Special Issue and see if it is of interest by you:

http://www.mdpi.com/journal/ijgi/special_issues/Geospatial_Big_Data_Urban_Studies

Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
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Politecnico di Milano


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Oggetto: [Geo4All] GeoAmbassador – Sven Schade

Dear colleagues,

On behalf of the GeoForAll community, it is my great pleasure to honour Sven 
Schade as our GeoAmbassador. Sven Schade is a Scientific Project Officer at the 
European Commission’s science and knowledge service, the Joint Research Centre 
(JRC). He is based at the Ispra site in Northern Italy. Being a Geospatial 
Information Scientist by education (among the first to study Geoinformatics in 
Europe), Sven became a strong promoter of open principles and public 
participation in scientific research. Building on a wide range of experiences 
reaching from Spatial Data Infrastructures (SDIs), data interoperability and 
Semantic Web technology, via environmental research and Citizen Science, all 
the way to decision support systems and scientific support to policy making, he 
got into the rare position of being able to interconnect highly diverse 
communities and to foster multi-disciplinary collaborations.

Examples of his service include his contributions as a member of the Advisory 
Board of the GeoForAll initiative (http://www.geoforall.org/ ), the Advisory 
Board of the European Citizen Science Association (ECSA, 
https://ecsa.citizen-science.net/ ) – as co-chair, and the council of the 
International Society for Digital Earth (ISDE, 
http://www.digitalearth-isde.org/ ). As an editor-in-chief of the International 
Journal of Spatial Data Infrastructure Research (IJSDIR, 
http://ijsdir.jrc.ec.europa.eu/ ) he also supports open and free publication 
practices.

More details are at 
http://opensourcegeospatial.icaci.org/2017/10/geoambassador-sven-schade/

Everybody reading this and identifying items of interest I kindly invited to 
contact Sven directly. You are also kindly invited to submit an article 
contribution to IJSDIR at  
http://ijsdir.jrc.ec.europa.eu/index.php/ijsdir/pages/view/authors

We are proud to honour Sven Shade as our GeoAmbassodor and we are extremely 
grateful for his contributions to GeoForAll and for his selfless contributions 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections Debate

2017-10-17 Thread Jeff McKenna

Another link to the logs: 
http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2017-10-17.log


Thank you Vicky for organizing, and our moderators Greg, Anne, and 
Norman.  It was wonderful to talk directly with all of the candidates 
and community members.


Finally, good luck to all candidates :)

-jeff



On 2017-10-17 12:23 PM, Vicky Vergara wrote:

To all:
If you want to read the debate
You can read from here:

https://view.matrix.org/room/!fJlCtKdpMHgXoEvxTO:matrix.org/?anchor=$15082535792289779ImXcE:matrix.org=300

Vicky



On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Vicky Vergara > wrote:


Hello all;
Reminder about the "Debate"

(is about to start )

Vicky

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Jeff McKenna
> wrote:

Hi Vicky, very fun, I'm happy to talk with the other great
candidates on IRC!  See you all soon.  -jeff



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Hello all

Announcing the 2017 Board Elections Debate on IRC.

Time: 14:00 UTC
Place: IRC channel #osgeo

For those without IRC client you can log in using:
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Note: Its a last minute idea so maybe not all nominees will
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Please feel free to join.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections Debate

2017-10-17 Thread Vicky Vergara

To all:
If you want to read the debate
You can read from here:

https://view.matrix.org/room/!fJlCtKdpMHgXoEvxTO:matrix.org/?anchor=$15082535792289779ImXcE:matrix.org=300

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> Hello all;
> Reminder about the "Debate"
>
> (is about to start )
>
> Vicky
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Jeff McKenna <
> jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Vicky, very fun, I'm happy to talk with the other great candidates on
>> IRC!  See you all soon.  -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2017-10-16 8:01 PM, Vicky Vergara wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all
>>>
>>> Announcing the 2017 Board Elections Debate on IRC.
>>>
>>> Time: 14:00 UTC
>>> Place: IRC channel #osgeo
>>>
>>> For those without IRC client you can log in using:
>>> http://webchat.freenode.net/
>>>
>>> Note: Its a last minute idea so maybe not all nominees will be there,
>>> therefore, we are going to be keeping it as a conversation with the
>>> community.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please feel free to join.
>>>
>>> Vicky
>>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

2017-10-17 Thread Andy Anderson

RCV = Ranked Choice Voting, sometimes called Instant-Runoff Voting (though that 
describes the vote-counting process rather than the voting itself). In the past 
it has also been known as Preferential Voting. PR = Proportional 
Representation, a process for multi-seat elections that helps distribute votes 
to minority interests.

— Andy

> On Oct 17, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Dirk Frigne  wrote:
> 
> OK,
> 
> this makes it a bit more clear.
> 
> So PR is preferential?
> RCV?
> 
> Dirk :-)
> 
> On 17-10-17 16:03, Jody Garnett wrote:
>> I would be willing to give it a shot.
>> 
>> Dirk here is a comic
>> 
>>  from
>> australia so it is blunt. It allows voters a way out of choosing between
>> their heart and their head.
>> 
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>> 
>> On 17 October 2017 at 06:26, Dirk Frigne > > wrote:
>> 
>>Jeff,
>>Andy,
>> 
>>What do you mean by RCV/PR?
>> 
>>not clear for me.
>> 
>>Dirk
>> 
>>On 17-10-17 15:12, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>> Interesting Andy, I can see how that RCV/PR/ranking could help better
>>> representation from our local chapters.  I think after the dust
>>settles
>>> on this election, we should all then take a deep breath and sit
>>back and
>>> analyze this 2017 election process, and together (as Charter members)
>>> make a proposal for future elections - I'd prefer to see this proposal
>>> happen in the next month, while it is still fresh in all of our
>>minds -
>>> Andy it would be great to have your input on this.
>>> 
>>> PS. happy to be a part of the OSGeo animal kingdom (reference to the
>>> video in Andy's link ha)
>>> 
>>> -jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2017-10-17 9:47 AM, Andy Anderson wrote:
 So I could make this a fourth question. What are the candidates
 perspectives on using RCV/PR to increase representation from The Rest
 of the World?
 
 — Andy
 
> On Oct 16, 2017, at 11:23 PM, Andy Anderson
>>
> >>
>>wrote:
> 
> We should consider using ranked-choice voting with proportional
> representation [1] instead of the current at-large system of
>>electing
> the board. It will ensure majority rule but also provide
> representation of larger minority interests.
> 
> — Andy
> 
> [1]
>>http://www.fairvote.org/fair_representation#ranked_choice_voting_pr
>>
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Ravi Kumar
>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> "1 Board member from every continent"
>> Representation from the (rest of) World on OSGeo Board.. This was
>> discussed several times earlier..
>> The would be incumbents, may tilt and give us a solution in the
>>near
>> future..
>> Cheers
>> Ravi Kumar
 
 
 
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

2017-10-17 Thread Andy Anderson

Hi, Dirk,

I provided this reference that I think explains it very well:

http://www.fairvote.org/fair_representation#ranked_choice_voting_pr

I didn’t want to sidetrack the more general discussion here, but I’ll give a 
schematic overview.

1) The basic idea is that voters rank some or all of the N candidates on the 
ballot from 1-N. This is a simple process with which we are all familiar, and 
allows us to express our true preferences without strategic considerations such 
as fear of spoiler candidates.

2) The vote-counting is more complicated but can be easily calculated on 
computers. All first-place votes are counted, and any candidates are elected 
that reach a threshold fraction of the vote (which depends on the number of 
seats). Any votes beyond the threshold are then transferred to voters’ second 
choices rather than being allowed to pile up for these candidates and thereby 
be “wasted”. If seats remain to be filled after this, the candidate with the 
least number of votes is dropped and their votes are transferred to their 
voters’ lower-ranked choices, and the process begins again, until all seats are 
filled.

The result in multi-candidate elections is effectively proportional 
representation because even candidates without initial majority support may 
pick up support with each round. Those candidates will reflect minority 
interests such as those of the Rest of the World (and/or others), and bring 
their perspectives to the board for discussion. Right now with our at-large 
system a majority block of voters can elect every member of the board to the 
exclusion of others.

RCV is used in many places such as Ireland and Australia, as well as in many 
cities such as Cambridge, Massachusetts (since 1941!), and in many 
organizations such as the Academy Awards.

— Andy

> On Oct 17, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Dirk Frigne  wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> Andy,
> 
> What do you mean by RCV/PR?
> 
> not clear for me.
> 
> Dirk
> 
> On 17-10-17 15:12, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>> Interesting Andy, I can see how that RCV/PR/ranking could help better
>> representation from our local chapters.  I think after the dust settles
>> on this election, we should all then take a deep breath and sit back and
>> analyze this 2017 election process, and together (as Charter members)
>> make a proposal for future elections - I'd prefer to see this proposal
>> happen in the next month, while it is still fresh in all of our minds -
>> Andy it would be great to have your input on this.
>> 
>> PS. happy to be a part of the OSGeo animal kingdom (reference to the
>> video in Andy's link ha)
>> 
>> -jeff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2017-10-17 9:47 AM, Andy Anderson wrote:
>>> So I could make this a fourth question. What are the candidates
>>> perspectives on using RCV/PR to increase representation from The Rest
>>> of the World?
>>> 
>>> — Andy
>>> 
 On Oct 16, 2017, at 11:23 PM, Andy Anderson > wrote:

 We should consider using ranked-choice voting with proportional
 representation [1] instead of the current at-large system of electing
 the board. It will ensure majority rule but also provide
 representation of larger minority interests.

 — Andy

 [1] http://www.fairvote.org/fair_representation#ranked_choice_voting_pr

> On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Ravi Kumar
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> "1 Board member from every continent"
> Representation from the (rest of) World on OSGeo Board.. This was
> discussed several times earlier..
> The would be incumbents, may tilt and give us a solution in the near
> future..
> Cheers
> Ravi Kumar
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

2017-10-17 Thread Dirk Frigne

OK,

this makes it a bit more clear.

So PR is preferential?
RCV?

Dirk :-)

On 17-10-17 16:03, Jody Garnett wrote:
> I would be willing to give it a shot.
> 
> Dirk here is a comic
> 
>  from
> australia so it is blunt. It allows voters a way out of choosing between
> their heart and their head.
> 
> --
> Jody Garnett
> 
> On 17 October 2017 at 06:26, Dirk Frigne  > wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> Andy,
> 
> What do you mean by RCV/PR?
> 
> not clear for me.
> 
> Dirk
> 
> On 17-10-17 15:12, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> > Interesting Andy, I can see how that RCV/PR/ranking could help better
> > representation from our local chapters.  I think after the dust
> settles
> > on this election, we should all then take a deep breath and sit
> back and
> > analyze this 2017 election process, and together (as Charter members)
> > make a proposal for future elections - I'd prefer to see this proposal
> > happen in the next month, while it is still fresh in all of our
> minds -
> > Andy it would be great to have your input on this.
> >
> > PS. happy to be a part of the OSGeo animal kingdom (reference to the
> > video in Andy's link ha)
> >
> > -jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2017-10-17 9:47 AM, Andy Anderson wrote:
> >> So I could make this a fourth question. What are the candidates
> >> perspectives on using RCV/PR to increase representation from The Rest
> >> of the World?
> >>
> >> — Andy
> >>
> >>> On Oct 16, 2017, at 11:23 PM, Andy Anderson
> 
> >>> >>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We should consider using ranked-choice voting with proportional
> >>> representation [1] instead of the current at-large system of
> electing
> >>> the board. It will ensure majority rule but also provide
> >>> representation of larger minority interests.
> >>>
> >>> — Andy
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> http://www.fairvote.org/fair_representation#ranked_choice_voting_pr
> 
> >>>
>  On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Ravi Kumar
>   
>   >> wrote:
> 
>  Hi,
>  "1 Board member from every continent"
>  Representation from the (rest of) World on OSGeo Board.. This was
>  discussed several times earlier..
>  The would be incumbents, may tilt and give us a solution in the
> near
>  future..
>  Cheers
>  Ravi Kumar
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

2017-10-17 Thread Jody Garnett

I would be willing to give it a shot.

Dirk here is a comic

from
australia so it is blunt. It allows voters a way out of choosing between
their heart and their head.

--
Jody Garnett

On 17 October 2017 at 06:26, Dirk Frigne  wrote:

> Jeff,
> Andy,
>
> What do you mean by RCV/PR?
>
> not clear for me.
>
> Dirk
>
> On 17-10-17 15:12, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> > Interesting Andy, I can see how that RCV/PR/ranking could help better
> > representation from our local chapters.  I think after the dust settles
> > on this election, we should all then take a deep breath and sit back and
> > analyze this 2017 election process, and together (as Charter members)
> > make a proposal for future elections - I'd prefer to see this proposal
> > happen in the next month, while it is still fresh in all of our minds -
> > Andy it would be great to have your input on this.
> >
> > PS. happy to be a part of the OSGeo animal kingdom (reference to the
> > video in Andy's link ha)
> >
> > -jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2017-10-17 9:47 AM, Andy Anderson wrote:
> >> So I could make this a fourth question. What are the candidates
> >> perspectives on using RCV/PR to increase representation from The Rest
> >> of the World?
> >>
> >> — Andy
> >>
> >>> On Oct 16, 2017, at 11:23 PM, Andy Anderson  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We should consider using ranked-choice voting with proportional
> >>> representation [1] instead of the current at-large system of electing
> >>> the board. It will ensure majority rule but also provide
> >>> representation of larger minority interests.
> >>>
> >>> — Andy
> >>>
> >>> [1] http://www.fairvote.org/fair_representation#ranked_choice_
> voting_pr
> >>>
>  On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Ravi Kumar
>    > wrote:
> 
>  Hi,
>  "1 Board member from every continent"
>  Representation from the (rest of) World on OSGeo Board.. This was
>  discussed several times earlier..
>  The would be incumbents, may tilt and give us a solution in the near
>  future..
>  Cheers
>  Ravi Kumar
> >>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections Debate

2017-10-17 Thread Vicky Vergara

Hello all;
Reminder about the "Debate"

(is about to start )

Vicky

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Jeff McKenna  wrote:

> Hi Vicky, very fun, I'm happy to talk with the other great candidates on
> IRC!  See you all soon.  -jeff
>
>
>
> On 2017-10-16 8:01 PM, Vicky Vergara wrote:
>
>> Hello all
>>
>> Announcing the 2017 Board Elections Debate on IRC.
>>
>> Time: 14:00 UTC
>> Place: IRC channel #osgeo
>>
>> For those without IRC client you can log in using:
>> http://webchat.freenode.net/
>>
>> Note: Its a last minute idea so maybe not all nominees will be there,
>> therefore, we are going to be keeping it as a conversation with the
>> community.
>>
>>
>> Please feel free to join.
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

2017-10-17 Thread Jeff McKenna

Interesting Andy, I can see how that RCV/PR/ranking could help better 
representation from our local chapters.  I think after the dust settles 
on this election, we should all then take a deep breath and sit back and 
analyze this 2017 election process, and together (as Charter members) 
make a proposal for future elections - I'd prefer to see this proposal 
happen in the next month, while it is still fresh in all of our minds - 
Andy it would be great to have your input on this.


PS. happy to be a part of the OSGeo animal kingdom (reference to the 
video in Andy's link ha)


-jeff



On 2017-10-17 9:47 AM, Andy Anderson wrote:
So I could make this a fourth question. What are the candidates 
perspectives on using RCV/PR to increase representation from The Rest of 
the World?


— Andy

On Oct 16, 2017, at 11:23 PM, Andy Anderson > wrote:


We should consider using ranked-choice voting with proportional 
representation [1] instead of the current at-large system of electing 
the board. It will ensure majority rule but also provide 
representation of larger minority interests.


— Andy

[1] http://www.fairvote.org/fair_representation#ranked_choice_voting_pr

On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Ravi Kumar 
> wrote:


Hi,
"1 Board member from every continent"
Representation from the (rest of) World on OSGeo Board.. This was 
discussed several times earlier..
The would be incumbents, may tilt and give us a solution in the near 
future..

Cheers
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

2017-10-17 Thread Andy Anderson

So I could make this a fourth question. What are the candidates perspectives on 
using RCV/PR to increase representation from The Rest of the World?

— Andy

On Oct 16, 2017, at 11:23 PM, Andy Anderson 
> wrote:

We should consider using ranked-choice voting with proportional representation 
[1] instead of the current at-large system of electing the board. It will 
ensure majority rule but also provide representation of larger minority 
interests.

— Andy

[1] http://www.fairvote.org/fair_representation#ranked_choice_voting_pr

On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Ravi Kumar 
> wrote:

Hi,
"1 Board member from every continent"
Representation from the (rest of) World on OSGeo Board.. This was discussed 
several times earlier..
The would be incumbents, may tilt and give us a solution in the near future..
Cheers
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections 2017: roles and positions

2017-10-17 Thread Jeff McKenna


Hi Gert-Jan,

I had tried to answer this question in my original manifesto, the 
original words are still there in that section you referenced, where I 
volunteer to help with the leadership of OSGeo and also stress the 
importance of the 'executive Board' (President, Vice Presidents) to help 
with the demands of leadership.


I also think there are already great volunteers in the current roles, we 
should always be respectful of their interests to remain in those roles, 
and speak with them directly to get a sense of next steps - I've 
personally found that a face-to-face Board meeting is best for handling 
this, as it is tricky to do over email or video.


For now I think it's only important that each candidate offers to help 
with the Board, in any capacity, which we all did - great!  I think this 
is awesome, having so many great leaders (all 9 candidates are great 
OSGeo leaders) interested in volunteering and helping our foundation 
grow.


-jeff



On 2017-10-17 3:03 AM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl wrote:

Hi all,

One of the questions asked to our nominees to write down in their 
Manifesto is "which role you wish to fulfil in the Board".


Apparently  a though question, since not answered by some candidates.

Only Vicky hinted towards wanting to be an officer (Chair of the Board, 
President, Secretary, Treasurer [1]); she stated in her response "I 
don't want to handle money, which I interpret as not wanting to be 
treasurer).


However, when reading more about the Officers in our Bylaws [1] two 
things struck me:


1.  "Chair of the Board" and "President" are two different positions.

That makes sense: they require different skills. The Chair  must be able 
to keep the Board on track, whereas the President has more of an 
outreach role,  making sure the community members are feeling 
comfortable, making sure "the guy in the back" is also reached.


2. An Officer does not have to be member Director (=Board Member) > OK, 
I should have know this, with Jachym being secretary while not being 
member of the Board of Directors.


Although these elections are about membership, I'd like to ask the 
candidates if they have a preference for a certain officer position?


[1] http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html  
(Article V)


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections Debate

2017-10-17 Thread Jeff McKenna

Hi Vicky, very fun, I'm happy to talk with the other great candidates on 
IRC!  See you all soon.  -jeff




On 2017-10-16 8:01 PM, Vicky Vergara wrote:

Hello all

Announcing the 2017 Board Elections Debate on IRC.

Time: 14:00 UTC
Place: IRC channel #osgeo

For those without IRC client you can log in using:
http://webchat.freenode.net/

Note: Its a last minute idea so maybe not all nominees will be there, 
therefore, we are going to be keeping it as a conversation with the 
community.



Please feel free to join.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The Yin and Yang of OSGeo

2017-10-17 Thread Dirk Frigne

Cameron,

Thank you for your questions,

1. How do you feel about empowering OSGeo committees, avoiding
over-riding committee decisions in all but exceptional circumstances.
(Board members can join committees)?

I think I answered this question in another thread.
I repeat (sorry for cross thread posting):

A great asset for a board member (but this is true for every OSGeo
member) is the ability to think from the perspective of 'the other'. If
you are a public servant, think as a small business owner or a
scientific researcher. If you are employed by a university, think as if
you have to make your living out of open source software. If you are a
business owner, think how you can collaborate with others and return
value and results back to the community.

We should work on this so we, as a community adopt this respectfully way
of thinking.

2. How do you feel about minimising the perception of board positions
being considered as a "Honey Pot". Do this by avoiding having  board
members be expected to attend events which require travel expenses, and
hence avoid having board members being reimbursed from OSGeo.

I have 2 answers for this question.
My first vision: if OSGeo considers itselves as a professional
organisation, we should respect the work that people do for the
organisation, and in our current economical world, tat means they should
be reinbursed for their expenses, and even be payed for the operational
work they do.

My second vision:
I understand that this is not compatible with the way we, as a
community, are thinking about volunteering. So it should be the
responsability of the volunteers to decide if they want to represent
OSGeo or do some other operational tasks in name of OSGeo in their own
costs.

None of those visions are perfect. The reality today lies somwhere in
the middle and I count on the honour of the members of the board to
decide wisely on these matters. An important principle is hte conflict
of interest. Never decide when you have a personel advantage (which is
always the case when you are self the subject of reimbursment.
And don't restrict the rules to board members. What counts for board
members should count for everybody.
Actually, what I want to work on, is an ecosystem where nobody get a
'disadvantage' when working on OSGeo related tasks.

Let me explain by an example:
If an employee has to take a day off to go to the foss4g conference or a
code sprint, he should be eligible for a travel grant or even a
committing fee if being asked to do something from the community.

If a company, university or public organisation allows their personell
to attend a code sprint, OSGeo should recognise that by ginvinf that
company some publicity as a sponsor.

This example is to simple to be valuable, and I agree we are far from
such a system. But in my vision, we should discuss and evolve towards
that direction. Without forgetting our most valuable feature: people
love and enjoy to go to a foss4g conference. I always get great feedback
from first time visitors. This is also a way to pay back from our
organisation to their members.

I am sure we have a lot of smart and well spoken members that can use
these thoughts to make something valuable out of it.

> 3. Do you think you can help empower people who think they can
> positively update OSGeo's vision?

In stead of answering this question, I want to post another important
topic which is in my opinion not adopted at all:

AI (Artificail Intelligence) is evolving very fast nowadays and
companies like Google are the best students in town to learn about how
communities work (they really do ... I am jealous on how they manage
it). But they are *not* open. And it would be a pity that the people
adopting open community principles, would loose the game to a couple of
entrepreneurs, working from their single perspective in the classic
hierarchic way.
This is a personnel mantra of me, and I am not sure our community is
already open to discuss this as something we should act upon.
When we started the geomajas project, we could write technology which
was better than Google maps. Today, 9 years later, I am not sure we
could beat this smart machine, although I think we have very smart
technical skills amongst our members. What we miss is the ability to
organise our strength.

My2c
Dirk

On 16-10-17 12:11, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> OSGeo Board Candidates,
> 
> I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on these ideas. Most pertinently:
> 
> 1. How do you feel about empowering OSGeo committees, avoiding
> over-riding committee decisions in all but exceptional circumstances.
> (Board members can join committees)?
> 
> 2. How do you feel about minimising the perception of board positions
> being considered as a "Honey Pot". Do this by avoiding having  board
> members be expected to attend events which require travel expenses, and
> hence avoid having board members being reimbursed from OSGeo.
> 
> 3. Do you think you can help empower people who think they

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

2017-10-17 Thread Dirk Frigne

Hans,

I fully agree,

A great asset for a board member (but this is true for every OSGeo
member) is the ability to think from the perspective of 'the other'. If
you are a public servant, think as a small business owner or a
scientific researcher. If you are employed by a university, think as if
you have to make your living out of open source software. If you are a
business owner, think how you can collaborate with others and return
value and results back to the community.

We should work on this so we, as a community adopt this respectfully way
of thinking.

If we start to understand the dynamics of what an open source community
is all about, we should be able to experiment with next steps, and I
think these next steps are necessary.
The goal should be to keep the software stacks that we have today
healthy and create a dynamic interaction to work on the future needs for
supporting the Geo industry. We will need all the current members and
adopters for that, and we should continue to be successfull in outreach
activities.
On a FOSS4G conference, we should not only give talks and workshops
about the projects from our communities, we should also explain what
OSGeo is all about, embrace new visitors (first time foss4g ...) and
organise topic talks that are cross project initiatives where the
members can learn to help each other and form the vision of OSGeo.

A lot has to be done if we want to bring our OSGeo community to the next
level.

my2c
Dirk


On 17-10-17 09:56, Hans Gregers Hedegaard Petersen wrote:
> Dear Arnulf, all,
> 
>> if we want to compete then we have to play the game. Party is great but the 
>> money is not in the party and fun part. The money sits in large corps and 
>> governments. Folks coming from there are not expected to party or hang out 
>> and have fun. They are expected to see the bleeding edge technology first 
>> hand, learn about the reliability of Open Source and Free Software licensing 
>> and learn about the leading businesses in that domain. Companies who choose 
>> to support FOSS4G with their sponsorship and come to the global big business 
>> FOSS4G industry event. Honor them. Honor those who organize those events. 
>> Consider paying them professional rates instead of burning them out and then 
>> complain that they have left.
> 
> As a consultant that has had big entities (companies/governments) use
> FOSS in their platforms - and sponsor consulting and development from
> core developers - I agree at least to some of the above (I would guess
> it is indended as a caricature anyways). It is often important for at
> least my clients, that they can meet and greet the people and
> companies behind the work (it is important, as it is often the result
> of the very[!] long journey of getting to understand, that there is no
> "MapServer-company", no 300 page EULA, after legal has commented on
> the use of weird licenses etc). They want to see were the money goes.
> 
> In my experience they do not expect a grand show with sponsored lions,
> elephants, and champagne - what they do expect is a "professional"
> conference. The professional conference has a certain shine and style
> that they can relate to from their visits to other conferences (with
> way larger budgets). The global FOSS4Gs *are* those conferences.
> 
> The global FOSS4gs are big enough to get lost in - remember as a
> newcomer who is aware that you are certainly not like 'the group,' a
> small and cozy pizza party can provoke anxiety - we have all been
> there as children, and can get there as adults too. When the
> conference is big enough, it is OK for us to do our little small talk
> maneuvers, it is OK for us to not fit in.
> 
> The global FOSS4Gs has a number and mix of talks, workshops, and
> "conference stuff" that shines a light on the size and professionalism
> of the community behind the software - we all need to believe that we
> are being taken care of, or said in another way that we are making the
> right choices (or else we fall back to our known ways - 'nobody ever
> got fired for hiring IBM').
> 
> 
>> The good thing is, we do not have to stop anything. We can and we already 
>> are doing both. We have great local events and code sprints and fun and 
>> party and all. Plus we have a one time per year event that is expensive and 
>> attracts the money. Where is the problem? Don't like it? Then don't go. 
>> Cannot afford it? Then promote it so that those who can afford it go (and 
>> indirectly pay your pizza during the fun events). How cool is that?
>>
>> Honestly, FOSS4G "global" should stay (or become even more of) an industry 
>> event. What do you think where the (admittedly tiny) OSGeo budget comes 
>> from? It is the surplus generated by well organized, efficient and shiny 
>> (plus fun) FOSS4Gs. This money is used to support the pizza and coffee for 
>> local code sprints. Why on earth would anybody in his or her right mind 
>> jeopardize or even criticize an event that helps fund everything

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

2017-10-17 Thread María Arias de Reyna

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Tom Chadwin  wrote:
> Hello all
>
> A significant group who have possibly not yet chimed in on this issue are the 
> commercial organizations who sell GFOSS support and development. I presume 
> that FOSS4G is one of their best opportunities to get new business.

One of my targets when trying to make FOSS4G more affordable is
companies who may not be the big companies, but still can offer good
GFOSS services and contribute to it. In fact, I see much more benefit
in having a lot of small companies contributing than just one single
large company. I would be happier with a lot of small sponsors, each
of them contributing and believing on freedom.

I see FOSS4G as a place where everyone meet: developers, users,
companies. And each one can interact with the ones they are most
interested in. Should we focus only on having a shiny-suit conference
to attract investors? I doubt it, part of the strength of FLOSS is
precisely not being so "shiny-suited" but being a big community where
everyone can contribute and receive more than what they contributed.
We should never lose track of that, the community and the freedom to
reuse is our best attribute. Should we make sure we look serious and
trustables? Yes, definitely. But that's not incompatible.

Should we improve the B2B? Also yes. Making sure money flows is what
will make FOSS4G and OSGeo survive. Without money, many of the things
we do would be impossible. So, we have to balance the "attract
investors" with the "don't lose our identity", which is not simple and
believe me, not cheap :)

Anyway, ideas are always welcome. Even if you are not involved in
FOSS4G organization directly, I'm sure helping hands making everything
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

2017-10-17 Thread Dirk Frigne

Hi Ravi,

To use a popular Nobel prise winning word "nudging":

I think that the main task of the board (aside to take as a team the
legal responsability for the OSGeo foundation) is to *listen* to the
(NNN) members and 'nudge' them carefully so they will the best of
themselves for the community.
A good functioning board should 'feel' what the community wants, and
only interfere when self organising is not resulting in improving the
organisation as a whole.

my2c
Dirk.

On 17-10-17 06:20, Ravi Kumar wrote:
> Hi Jody,
> 
> "While I like the idea of greater charter member involvement, I like the
> idea of member involvement even more."
> 
> How do you wish to realize this.
> Do you think that 'Charter member' vs 'Ordinary Lister/User/Member'..
> the later merits more..
> THEN
> Why bother and have a special classification as 'Charter Member'...
> 
> Cheers
> Ravi Kumar
> 
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Jody Garnett  > wrote:
> 
> I am uncomfortable with the five star presentation you outline.
> FOSS4G is a open source tech conference that mixes things up in a
> great creative melting pot, just like our community. Limiting foss4g
> to just an industry or academic event would sell it short.
> 
> While I recognize Arnulf’s words, I wish we could find another
> source of funds taking pressure off the conference committee and
> freeing the organization to use the event more effectively for
> advocacy.
> — -
> Ravi I am going to take your second question as wondering what
> greater role our charter members can play?
> 
> In this case I am not sure, and need to listen to others - what
> would you like to see charter members do?
> 
> Right now we have an inclusive setup where anyone can join or
> organization, take part in a local chapter or a committee. By
> stepping up as a member, our organization is open to anyone willing
> to take on responsibility with passion and enthusiasm ... with no
> requirement to be a charter member.
> 
> While I like the idea of greater charter member involvement, I like
> the idea of member involvement even more.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:16 PM Ravi Kumar
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Vicky and all my OSGeo listers and particularly those who are
> following this thread,
> +1 .. OSGeo has blossomed since that meeting in Chicago (2006)
> attended by some, and Markus Netteler.
> You have FOSS4G Choises now.. Pick, that suites your budget, and
> philosophy (If you prefer not to see FOSS4G as 5*)..
> 
> We depend on the collective wisdom of the board.. We the charter
> should never tire in Nudging the board with our views.
> 
> Another question to Contenders to the Board:
> Wish a day will come when the Charter can play a more important
> role than breaking it's sleep walk, to vote now and then.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ravi Kumar
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 8:38 PM, Vicky Vergara
> > wrote:
> 
> Hello Ravi:
> 
> I had the opportunity to attend and to make a presentation
> on FOSS4G Korea, afterwards, I also made a protestation on
> FOSS4G Tokyo. That was on 2015, and was the same year I was
> also elected to be a charter member on OSGeo. This trip was
> very educational for me, as I got to know more about OSGeo,
> with the international event and with the local event.
> 
> Next year, 2016, even that it would have been great to go to
> FOSS4G Bonn, given budgets constraints, I opted to go to
> FOSS4G Asia instead. Lots of students from Asia had
> participated on OSGeo-GSoC program, and I wanted a close
> contact with them. The contact was so close that, Rohith
> Reddy, student from IIIT in Hyderabad and ex-OSGeo-GSoC
> student, this year acted as mentor and went to the GSoC
> mentor summit representing OSGeo.
> 
> This year for FOSS4G Boston, OSGeo, had a travel grant to
> which I did not apply, I preferred to go to FOSS4G Argentina
> (Starts next week), but I did registered and attended the
> code-sprint (using IRC and jitsi for video).
> About why Argentina, I saw it as an opportunity to
> communicate the spirit of OSGeo on my mother tongue, further
> more, I arranged my trip tohave a 22hr stay in Perú, where
> they are starting to create a local chapter, and I hope to
> meet some OSGeo member(s).
> 
> I also consider FOSS4G as an outreach event, and call it:
> subconsciously, by accident, by

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

2017-10-17 Thread Tom Chadwin

Hello all

A significant group who have possibly not yet chimed in on this issue are the 
commercial organizations who sell GFOSS support and development. I presume that 
FOSS4G is one of their best opportunities to get new business.

I know there have been recent discussions/disagreements on this list about how 
far OSGeo should promote commercial organizations. However, these companies are 
the crucial element in GFOSS adoption in many larger public- and private-sector 
bodies. Many simply will not entertain GFOSS without commercial support, many 
believe the old myth that open source means no support, and many simply will 
not accept the risk of GFOSS without that support.

My point is that GFOSS would not have anything like the market penetration it 
now does without commercial companies offering open-source support and 
development. As I say, I stand to be corrected, but FOSS4G surely enables them 
to persuade others to migrate to GFOSS, which is to the whole community's 
benefit.

Thanks

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[OSGeo-Discuss] GeoServer 2.12.0 released

2017-10-17 Thread Ian Turton

The GeoServer team are happy to announce the release of GeoServer 2.12.0 as
the new stable release based on GeoTools 18.0.

This release sees the results of the 2017 Code Sprint upgrade of the REST
API from Restlet to Spring MVC. It also now provides the ability to cascade
WMST servers in the same way that WMS cascading has always worked. Many
other improvements and bug fixes are included, please see the blog post
 for full
details.

As a result of this release, versions 2.10.x are no longer automatically
supported and anyone using this (or older) versions is strongly encouraged
to upgrade at this time. Version 2.11.x is now the maintenance release and
will only be receiving bug fixes rather than new features, users using
these versions should consider using the next 6 months to test and upgrade
to 2.12.x.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] GeoTools 18.0 Released

2017-10-17 Thread Ian Turton

The GeoTools team is happy to announce the release of the new stable
version of the GeoTools library. See the blog post
 for
further details. This new release contains a new WMTS datastore and many
fixes and improvements to the GeoPackage store.

As a result of this new release, the 17.x branch becomes the maintenance
branch and the 16.x branch ceases to be maintained by default. All users
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

2017-10-17 Thread Hans Gregers Hedegaard Petersen

Dear Arnulf, all,

> if we want to compete then we have to play the game. Party is great but the 
> money is not in the party and fun part. The money sits in large corps and 
> governments. Folks coming from there are not expected to party or hang out 
> and have fun. They are expected to see the bleeding edge technology first 
> hand, learn about the reliability of Open Source and Free Software licensing 
> and learn about the leading businesses in that domain. Companies who choose 
> to support FOSS4G with their sponsorship and come to the global big business 
> FOSS4G industry event. Honor them. Honor those who organize those events. 
> Consider paying them professional rates instead of burning them out and then 
> complain that they have left.

As a consultant that has had big entities (companies/governments) use
FOSS in their platforms - and sponsor consulting and development from
core developers - I agree at least to some of the above (I would guess
it is indended as a caricature anyways). It is often important for at
least my clients, that they can meet and greet the people and
companies behind the work (it is important, as it is often the result
of the very[!] long journey of getting to understand, that there is no
"MapServer-company", no 300 page EULA, after legal has commented on
the use of weird licenses etc). They want to see were the money goes.

In my experience they do not expect a grand show with sponsored lions,
elephants, and champagne - what they do expect is a "professional"
conference. The professional conference has a certain shine and style
that they can relate to from their visits to other conferences (with
way larger budgets). The global FOSS4Gs *are* those conferences.

The global FOSS4gs are big enough to get lost in - remember as a
newcomer who is aware that you are certainly not like 'the group,' a
small and cozy pizza party can provoke anxiety - we have all been
there as children, and can get there as adults too. When the
conference is big enough, it is OK for us to do our little small talk
maneuvers, it is OK for us to not fit in.

The global FOSS4Gs has a number and mix of talks, workshops, and
"conference stuff" that shines a light on the size and professionalism
of the community behind the software - we all need to believe that we
are being taken care of, or said in another way that we are making the
right choices (or else we fall back to our known ways - 'nobody ever
got fired for hiring IBM').


> The good thing is, we do not have to stop anything. We can and we already are 
> doing both. We have great local events and code sprints and fun and party and 
> all. Plus we have a one time per year event that is expensive and attracts 
> the money. Where is the problem? Don't like it? Then don't go. Cannot afford 
> it? Then promote it so that those who can afford it go (and indirectly pay 
> your pizza during the fun events). How cool is that?
>
> Honestly, FOSS4G "global" should stay (or become even more of) an industry 
> event. What do you think where the (admittedly tiny) OSGeo budget comes from? 
> It is the surplus generated by well organized, efficient and shiny (plus fun) 
> FOSS4Gs. This money is used to support the pizza and coffee for local code 
> sprints. Why on earth would anybody in his or her right mind jeopardize or 
> even criticize an event that helps fund everything else we do?

I would agree here. Personally I usually get something else from
visiting local events (for me it is FOSS4G-EU) than from the global
events. I even brought my (now) wife to Como to meet the "geo-family".


TL;DR
I can see several drawbacks of making the global FOSS4G less "business like".


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

2017-10-17 Thread Ravi Kumar

"I would like to see charter member renamed to "voting member" (since
charter member means those who signed the original charter forming our
organization)"

That way things become Clear.. But I doubt if any charter member is not
aware of it, that their responsibility is (simply) to Vote. And that all
the peer reviewed Charter members, and their views at the moment are like a
storm in the tea-cup.. the Discuss-List.



On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Jody Garnett 
wrote:

> Good question, I think we already realize empowering members by not
> reserving activities or responsibilities in our organization. From a
> pragmatic standpoint there are more members and with to be inclusive and
> grow our organization. Having a low barrier to taking part is a good thing.
>
> Aside:I would like to see charter member renamed to "voting member" (since
> charter member means those who signed the original charter forming our
> organization).
>
>
> *So why bother?*
> It is impressive that voting members have been recognized by their peers
> as being of good character, and have been asked to take on an
> responsibility, and importantly have accepted a responsibility. That is a
> pretty powerful statement, and show of commitment to our organization.
>
> I would like to respect the commitment, and the voting members
> accordingly. One way to do so is to recognize that they have only accepted
> responsibility for one activity (which has a fixed time commitment each
> year). If we ask any more of these individuals we should not do so casually
> - recognize any ideas are over and above what they agreed to when accepting
> a nomination.
>
> So while I have some ideas, I would be very hesitant to restrict them to
> voting members (and even more hesitant to require voting members to
> participate.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
> On 16 October 2017 at 21:20, Ravi Kumar 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jody,
>>
>> "While I like the idea of greater charter member involvement, I like the
>> idea of member involvement even more."
>>
>> How do you wish to realize this.
>> Do you think that 'Charter member' vs 'Ordinary Lister/User/Member'.. the
>> later merits more..
>> THEN
>> Why bother and have a special classification as 'Charter Member'...
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ravi Kumar
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Jody Garnett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am uncomfortable with the five star presentation you outline. FOSS4G
>>> is a open source tech conference that mixes things up in a great creative
>>> melting pot, just like our community. Limiting foss4g to just an industry
>>> or academic event would sell it short.
>>>
>>> While I recognize Arnulf’s words, I wish we could find another source of
>>> funds taking pressure off the conference committee and freeing the
>>> organization to use the event more effectively for advocacy.
>>> — -
>>> Ravi I am going to take your second question as wondering what greater
>>> role our charter members can play?
>>>
>>> In this case I am not sure, and need to listen to others - what would
>>> you like to see charter members do?
>>>
>>> Right now we have an inclusive setup where anyone can join or
>>> organization, take part in a local chapter or a committee. By stepping up
>>> as a member, our organization is open to anyone willing to take on
>>> responsibility with passion and enthusiasm ... with no requirement to be a
>>> charter member.
>>>
>>> While I like the idea of greater charter member involvement, I like the
>>> idea of member involvement even more.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:16 PM Ravi Kumar <
>>> manarajahmundry2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Vicky and all my OSGeo listers and particularly those who are
 following this thread,
 +1 .. OSGeo has blossomed since that meeting in Chicago (2006) attended
 by some, and Markus Netteler.
 You have FOSS4G Choises now.. Pick, that suites your budget, and
 philosophy (If you prefer not to see FOSS4G as 5*)..

 We depend on the collective wisdom of the board.. We the charter should
 never tire in Nudging the board with our views.

 Another question to Contenders to the Board:
 Wish a day will come when the Charter can play a more important role
 than breaking it's sleep walk, to vote now and then.

 Cheers

 Ravi Kumar



 On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 8:38 PM, Vicky Vergara 
 wrote:

> Hello Ravi:
>
> I had the opportunity to attend and to make a presentation on FOSS4G
> Korea, afterwards, I also made a protestation on FOSS4G Tokyo. That was on
> 2015, and was the same year I was also elected to be a charter member on
> OSGeo. This trip was very educational for me, as I got to know more about
> OSGeo, with the international event and with the local event.
>
> Next year, 2016, even that it would have been great to go to FOSS4G
> Bonn,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections 2017: roles and positions

2017-10-17 Thread Jody Garnett

>
> One of the questions asked to our nominees to write down in their
> Manifesto is "which role you wish to fulfil in the Board".
>
> Apparently  a though question, since not answered by some candidates.
>

I think that if we named a position it would be premature, the board when
formed would need to see what skills, passions, and time commitments the
individuals can make before deciding who can (or is willing) to fill each
role.


> Only Vicky hinted towards wanting to be an officer (Chair of the Board,
> President, Secretary, Treasurer [1]); she stated in her response "I don't
> want to handle money, which I interpret as not wanting to be treasurer).
>

Never the less if elected Vicky may be very well suited to office of
treasurer; each board will make sue of the skills at hand (sorry Vicky).


> However, when reading more about the Officers in our Bylaws [1] two things
> struck me:
>
> 1.  "Chair of the Board" and "President" are two different positions.
>
> That makes sense: they require different skills. The Chair  must be able
> to keep the Board on track, whereas the President has more of an outreach
> role,  making sure the community members are feeling comfortable, making
> sure "the guy in the back" is also reached.
>

The responsibilities of a president are more like a CEO under the direction
of the board, managing contracts, any employees and signing stuff.  We have
used our president for outreach (helpful as they can sign agreements) but
that is not really a president's function.
I would hope that all board members are available to listen to our
membership.


> 2. An Officer does not have to be member Director (=Board Member) > OK, I
> should have know this, with Jachym being secretary while not being member
> of the Board of Directors.
>
>
>
> Although these elections are about membership, I'd like to ask the
> candidates if they have a preference for a certain officer position?
>

As above I am willing to serve in whatever capacity is needed, as I expect
are any of the candidates.


> [1] http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html
> (Article V)
>
>
Thanks for taking the time to look at the bylaws, I note that we have
looked at updating the language used here to better reflect how our
organization has evolved - but the cost and legal risk was prohibitive.


>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

2017-10-17 Thread Jody Garnett

Good question, I think we already realize empowering members by not
reserving activities or responsibilities in our organization. From a
pragmatic standpoint there are more members and with to be inclusive and
grow our organization. Having a low barrier to taking part is a good thing.

Aside:I would like to see charter member renamed to "voting member" (since
charter member means those who signed the original charter forming our
organization).

*So why bother?*
It is impressive that voting members have been recognized by their peers as
being of good character, and have been asked to take on an responsibility,
and importantly have accepted a responsibility. That is a pretty powerful
statement, and show of commitment to our organization.

I would like to respect the commitment, and the voting members accordingly.
One way to do so is to recognize that they have only accepted
responsibility for one activity (which has a fixed time commitment each
year). If we ask any more of these individuals we should not do so casually
- recognize any ideas are over and above what they agreed to when accepting
a nomination.

So while I have some ideas, I would be very hesitant to restrict them to
voting members (and even more hesitant to require voting members to
participate.)

--
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On 16 October 2017 at 21:20, Ravi Kumar 
wrote:

> Hi Jody,
>
> "While I like the idea of greater charter member involvement, I like the
> idea of member involvement even more."
>
> How do you wish to realize this.
> Do you think that 'Charter member' vs 'Ordinary Lister/User/Member'.. the
> later merits more..
> THEN
> Why bother and have a special classification as 'Charter Member'...
>
> Cheers
> Ravi Kumar
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
>
>> I am uncomfortable with the five star presentation you outline. FOSS4G is
>> a open source tech conference that mixes things up in a great creative
>> melting pot, just like our community. Limiting foss4g to just an industry
>> or academic event would sell it short.
>>
>> While I recognize Arnulf’s words, I wish we could find another source of
>> funds taking pressure off the conference committee and freeing the
>> organization to use the event more effectively for advocacy.
>> — -
>> Ravi I am going to take your second question as wondering what greater
>> role our charter members can play?
>>
>> In this case I am not sure, and need to listen to others - what would you
>> like to see charter members do?
>>
>> Right now we have an inclusive setup where anyone can join or
>> organization, take part in a local chapter or a committee. By stepping up
>> as a member, our organization is open to anyone willing to take on
>> responsibility with passion and enthusiasm ... with no requirement to be a
>> charter member.
>>
>> While I like the idea of greater charter member involvement, I like the
>> idea of member involvement even more.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:16 PM Ravi Kumar 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Vicky and all my OSGeo listers and particularly those who are
>>> following this thread,
>>> +1 .. OSGeo has blossomed since that meeting in Chicago (2006) attended
>>> by some, and Markus Netteler.
>>> You have FOSS4G Choises now.. Pick, that suites your budget, and
>>> philosophy (If you prefer not to see FOSS4G as 5*)..
>>>
>>> We depend on the collective wisdom of the board.. We the charter should
>>> never tire in Nudging the board with our views.
>>>
>>> Another question to Contenders to the Board:
>>> Wish a day will come when the Charter can play a more important role
>>> than breaking it's sleep walk, to vote now and then.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Ravi Kumar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 8:38 PM, Vicky Vergara 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello Ravi:

 I had the opportunity to attend and to make a presentation on FOSS4G
 Korea, afterwards, I also made a protestation on FOSS4G Tokyo. That was on
 2015, and was the same year I was also elected to be a charter member on
 OSGeo. This trip was very educational for me, as I got to know more about
 OSGeo, with the international event and with the local event.

 Next year, 2016, even that it would have been great to go to FOSS4G
 Bonn, given budgets constraints, I opted to go to FOSS4G Asia instead. Lots
 of students from Asia had participated on OSGeo-GSoC program, and I wanted
 a close contact with them. The contact was so close that, Rohith Reddy,
 student from IIIT in Hyderabad and ex-OSGeo-GSoC student, this year acted
 as mentor and went to the GSoC mentor summit representing OSGeo.

 This year for FOSS4G Boston, OSGeo, had a travel grant to which I did
 not apply, I preferred to go to FOSS4G Argentina (Starts next week), but I
 did registered and attended the code-sprint (using IRC and jitsi for 
 video).
 About why Argentina,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

2017-10-17 Thread Jody Garnett

That is some bold thinking Dirk, I like it.

I would want to be careful to establish the relationship appropriately; and
be pretty much guided by the local chapters on this one. One advantage to
being a local chapter can be as a separate legal entity. I guess for local
chapters that want to preserve that relationship we could have a
representative as a contact point.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 10:20 AM Dirk Frigne 
wrote:

> Gert-Jan,
>
> here my first draft:
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2017_Candidate_Manifestos#Dirk_Frigne
>
> And for your question to all:
>
> As of today I believe more in a strong board as a team, than
> representatives from several regions. I think the representation from
> the different regions should come from the local chapters who can act as
> officers with the board.
> The reason imho: today we are in the transformation of an OSGeo 2.0. A
> strong team that can support this transition is the main focus today, I
> think.
>
> Just my 2c.
>
> Dirk.
>
> On 12-10-17 18:00, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl wrote:
> > Hi Board member candidates (and fellow voter members),
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks to Helena, Astrid, Jody and Sanghee for adding their Manifestos
> [1].
> >
> > Really much appreciated, and at least now we have 6 known candidates to
> > cast our 5 votes to!
> >
> > I hope that Dirk, Venga and Jeff will take the opportunity to add their
> > manifestos as well before the end of this campaign week.
> >
> >
> >
> > After reading them, I have 3 questions:
> >
> > = One to Sanghee:
> >
> > I really like your personal review of the last 2 years as a Board
> > member. Not just fun parts, but also some harder times.
> >
> > Could you please elaborate on the "Sometimes I saw the 'Desire to the
> > Innocence' from the community"? I simply don't quite understand what you
> > mean by this.
> >
> >
> >
> > = One to Astrid:
> >
> > Almost all of your objectives seem outreach-related (PR, OSGeo Live etc.)
> >
> > What  are the advantages of doing so as a Board member, instead of (or
> > in addition to) begin a member of the recently revived Marketing
> Committee
> >
> >
> >
> > = And one to all of you:
> >
> > Some of you talk about being an inclusive organization.
> >
> > For the geographical and probably cultural aspect of inclusiveness, do
> > you think the Board should have it's roots in as much continents /
> > languages as possible, so preferably 1 Board member from every continent
> > (not counting for Antarctica, ha!)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wishing you all the best and success in your campaigns,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gert-Jan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2017_Candidate_Manifestos
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Van:*Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *Namens *Sanghee
> Shin
> > *Verzonden:* donderdag 12 oktober 2017 10:14
> > *Aan:* OSGeo Discussions
> > *Onderwerp:* [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: Sanghee Shin
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I’ve posted my manifestos here:
> > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2017_Candidate_
> Manifestos#Sanghee_Shin
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the nomination.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections 2017: roles and positions

2017-10-17 Thread María Arias de Reyna

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting
OSGeo.nl  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> One of the questions asked to our nominees to write down in their Manifesto
> is "which role you wish to fulfil in the Board".
>
> Apparently  a though question, since not answered by some candidates.
>
> Only Vicky hinted towards wanting to be an officer (Chair of the Board,
> President, Secretary, Treasurer [1]); she stated in her response "I don't
> want to handle money, which I interpret as not wanting to be treasurer).
>
>
>
> However, when reading more about the Officers in our Bylaws [1] two things
> struck me:
>
> 1.  "Chair of the Board" and "President" are two different positions.
>
> That makes sense: they require different skills. The Chair  must be able to
> keep the Board on track, whereas the President has more of an outreach role,
> making sure the community members are feeling comfortable, making sure "the
> guy in the back" is also reached.
>
> 2. An Officer does not have to be member Director (=Board Member) > OK, I
> should have know this, with Jachym being secretary while not being member of
> the Board of Directors.
>
>
>
> Although these elections are about membership, I'd like to ask the
> candidates if they have a preference for a certain officer position?

I think I already answered the question by saying what I want to
achieve. The "title" that comes with it is not a big deal to me. At
least on the rest of the organizations I am/have been part of, in the
end the board acts more like a do-acry than anything else. In some
organizations I have been more active than in others where I had a
higher position. Sometimes you have more free time you can invest in
pushing further the organization, sometimes you just have to let
others do the hard work, no matter what your position is.

Should I take care of the money? I doubt it as I am not specially good
at paperwork. But somebody has to do it so if there is no better
candidate, sure, I can do it.
Should I take care of paperwork? Again, somebody has to do it so even
if I am not good at that, I can do it.

And the same with other positions. I think this is more a decision to
be made when we see who is there. Why would I say I want a specific
position so when we are there I find somebody else who could do the
work better than me (and want to). My interest is not in having a good
bureaucracy, is having things done. If it is me or somebody else, who
cares? If in the end I do the "work" related to another position, does
it matter, as long as it is being done?
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections Debate

2017-10-17 Thread María Arias de Reyna

Indeed a last minute idea, we could at least had a quick doodle about the time.

I will try to be there, but can't be sure.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 1:01 AM, Vicky Vergara  wrote:
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>
> Announcing the 2017 Board Elections Debate on IRC.
>
> Time: 14:00 UTC
> Place: IRC channel #osgeo
>
> For those without IRC client you can log in using:
> http://webchat.freenode.net/
>
> Note: Its a last minute idea so maybe not all nominees will be there,
> therefore, we are going to be keeping it as a conversation with the
> community.
>
>
> Please feel free to join.
>
> Vicky
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Elections 2017: roles and positions

2017-10-17 Thread Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl

Hi all, 

 

One of the questions asked to our nominees to write down in their Manifesto
is "which role you wish to fulfil in the Board".

Apparently  a though question, since not answered by some candidates. 

Only Vicky hinted towards wanting to be an officer (Chair of the Board,
President, Secretary, Treasurer [1]); she stated in her response "I don't
want to handle money, which I interpret as not wanting to be treasurer).

 

However, when reading more about the Officers in our Bylaws [1] two things
struck me:

1.  "Chair of the Board" and "President" are two different positions. 

That makes sense: they require different skills. The Chair  must be able to
keep the Board on track, whereas the President has more of an outreach role,
making sure the community members are feeling comfortable, making sure "the
guy in the back" is also reached. 

2. An Officer does not have to be member Director (=Board Member) > OK, I
should have know this, with Jachym being secretary while not being member of
the Board of Directors.

 

Although these elections are about membership, I'd like to ask the
candidates if they have a preference for a certain officer position?

 

 

[1] http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html
(Article V) 

 

 

 

 

Gert-Jan van der Weijden

Stichting OSGeo.nl

 

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