[OSGeo-Discuss] AGM Followup - what our foundation is doing in 2017

[Jody Garnett]

In our most recent mins that we had a good review of outstanding f2f action
items , one thing we
are missing is following up on our well attended, entertaining, annual
general meeting.

I am (CCing) the discussion list here as this is a fun update.

The main action item is to invite projects and committees who missed the
AGM to the next board meeting (Board Meeting 2017-11-02
). Anita has also
identified this as an opportunity to start thinking about next years budget.

The slides are here:
​​​
 osgeo-agm

​
We had reports from the board and core officers (or delegate):

   - president: delegated to helena as vice-president
   - treasurer
   - secretary
   - elections - annual short term position

Initiatives:

   - Website/rebranding - temporary initiative
   - OSGeo-Live

Projects:

   - GRASS GIS
   - GeoMOOSE
   - ORFEO ToolBox - welcome to new graduate!
   - pycsw
   - geonode
   - pywps*
   - MapServer
   - ZOO project - brought up external slides
   - GeoServer

*via incubation committee

Aside: t*here was some confusion for projects who had had a state-of talk
during the conference. The AGM update is focused on the project health and
happiness, rather than technology updates.*

Local Chapters

   - OSGeo Korean Chapter
   - GfOSS.it
   - OSGeo Ireland
   - D-A-Ch: FOSSGIS e.V.
   - OSGeo:UK
   - OSGeo.JP
   - geo-spatial.org (OSGeo.RO)
   - And more
  - OSGeo Finland Chapter Report
  - OSGeo Spanish Language Chapter
  - OSGeo Africa
  - OSGeo European

*Aside: There was a lot of friendly encouragement from
the European chapters considering considering bidding for FOSS4G 2019.*

*Note: Local chapter updates are the highlight of any AGM (and
inspirational). There is no expectation for a report from local chapters -
they do not have an officer representative in our organization. I think
this makes sense since they are regional in nature and need to have the
freedom to incorporate in accordance with local laws*.

Committees:

   - United Nations Committee
   - GeoForAll
   - Conference Committee
   - OpenGeoScience Committee
   - Marketing Committee
   - Incubation Committee
   - GSoC - is this a committee or initiative?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Maria Antonia Brovelli]

Dear Vasile (and All)

greetings from Buenos Aires where I am for representing OSGeo at FOSS4G 
Argentina.

As pointed out by many, and with excellent motivations, that I don't repeat, 
the election must go ahead.

Thanks a lot, Vasile, for your difficult commitment.

Best.

Maria

Pay attention to this Special Issue and see if it is of interest by you:

http://www.mdpi.com/journal/ijgi/special_issues/Geospatial_Big_Data_Urban_Studies




Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
Professor of GIS and Remote Sensing
Politecnico di Milano

ISPRS WG IV/4 "Collaborative crowdsourced cloud mapping (C3M)" 
http://www2.isprs.org/commissions/comm4/wg4.html, Board of Directors of OSGeo; 
GeoForAll Advisory Board; NASA WorldWind Europa Challenge; SIFET Advisory Board

UN-GGIM Academic Network Deputy Chair, UN-GGIM Italy, UN OpenGIS Initiative 
(Chair of the Capacity Building WG)

Sol Katz Award 2015

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Da: Discuss  per conto di Ben Caradoc-Davies 

Inviato: lunedì 23 ottobre 2017 02:24
A: Vasile Craciunescu; discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

Vasile,

+1. You have my full support for this course of action.

I am not aware of any voting system that permits withdrawal of a
candidate during the voting period. In my view, withdrawal during the
voting period is out of order. Should the candidate be elected, the
candidate may then formally resign. This will not be the CRO's problem.

If a vacancy occurs immediately after a board election, I urge the board
to use their authority to appoint as the replacement board member the
unsuccessful candidate with the most votes. This would be in order, be
in accord with the bylaws, and in keeping with the spirit of the
election. Voters are no more disadvantaged than if they had voted for an
unsuccessful candidate.

Kind regards,
Ben.

On 23/10/17 02:19, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Please accept my apologies for the delayed reply. I was heavily involved
> in organizing the 20th edition of FOSS4G Romania [1].
>
> I will try to express my opinion on what was said here and the board
> mailing list.
>
> 1. Neighter CRO or the Board cannot refuse Jeff's request to withdraw
> from the elections. In the absence of a specific rule, this is a
> unilateral act which does not require the CRO/Board acceptance in order
> to be valid. So, is up to Jeff to decide, based on people feedback, if
> he maintains his request or not.
>
> 2. We cannot remove Jeff's name from the voting ballot for at least two
> reasons. First one if of technical nature. LimeSurvey, the tool used for
> the electronic voting system, does not allow such changes in a running
> survey. Second, it is not correct/moral to change the list. Almost half
> of our charter members voted already based on that list and, actually,
> this is the main problem. Jeff's withdrawal has the potential to affect
> the result of this elections. We will never know where his votes could
> go and we have no clue how his decision will impact the votes that are
> still to come. Unfortunately, I see no good solution for the situation.
>
> My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
> list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
> aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections. I can
> insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
> tonight/Monday morning.
>
> Best,
> Vasile
> CRO 2017
>
>
> [1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017
>
>
> On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>> Dear CRO,
>>
>> Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
>> cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
>> publicly this election.
>>
>> I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
>> volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> -Jeff McKenna
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

Vasile,

+1. You have my full support for this course of action.

I am not aware of any voting system that permits withdrawal of a 
candidate during the voting period. In my view, withdrawal during the 
voting period is out of order. Should the candidate be elected, the 
candidate may then formally resign. This will not be the CRO's problem.


If a vacancy occurs immediately after a board election, I urge the board 
to use their authority to appoint as the replacement board member the 
unsuccessful candidate with the most votes. This would be in order, be 
in accord with the bylaws, and in keeping with the spirit of the 
election. Voters are no more disadvantaged than if they had voted for an 
unsuccessful candidate.


Kind regards,
Ben.

On 23/10/17 02:19, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:

Dear all,

Please accept my apologies for the delayed reply. I was heavily involved 
in organizing the 20th edition of FOSS4G Romania [1].


I will try to express my opinion on what was said here and the board 
mailing list.


1. Neighter CRO or the Board cannot refuse Jeff's request to withdraw 
from the elections. In the absence of a specific rule, this is a 
unilateral act which does not require the CRO/Board acceptance in order 
to be valid. So, is up to Jeff to decide, based on people feedback, if 
he maintains his request or not.


2. We cannot remove Jeff's name from the voting ballot for at least two 
reasons. First one if of technical nature. LimeSurvey, the tool used for 
the electronic voting system, does not allow such changes in a running 
survey. Second, it is not correct/moral to change the list. Almost half 
of our charter members voted already based on that list and, actually, 
this is the main problem. Jeff's withdrawal has the potential to affect 
the result of this elections. We will never know where his votes could 
go and we have no clue how his decision will impact the votes that are 
still to come. Unfortunately, I see no good solution for the situation.


My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the 
list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are 
aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections. I can 
insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit 
tonight/Monday morning.


Best,
Vasile
CRO 2017


[1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017


On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:

Dear CRO,

Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to 
cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here 
publicly this election.


I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for 
volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.


Yours,

-Jeff McKenna



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Duarte Carreira]

Well, I have been following this election's discussion and refrained from
adding to the noise. I hoped as a group of *volunteers* everything would be
settled with some pragmatism. Didn't happen.

Jeff please do not walk away. There are many elected/appointed
watchers/officials of the rules (board, cro). They publicly stated their
points of view that rules were respected. If they did not publicly ask you
to redraw then don't. Let them do their work. Trust them. Not asked to,
then don't do it.

If there was a request from an OSGeo's official to stand down I would think
it would be made public.

I really hope a quasi-technicality will not exclude one of our finest
members from an election. As a voter I feel I am being cheated and forced
to not vote for someone. And for what?

Anyway, congrats to CRO's for the work and excellent communication skills.

Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Bruce Bannerman]

+1 

Bravo Vicky!

Very well said. Thank you.

Kind regards,

Bruce

> On 22 Oct 2017, at 23:45, Vicky Vergara  wrote:
> 
> Open letter to Jeff McKenna.
> 
> Dear Jeff:
> 
> I am so sad about the situation that led you to ask about the withdrawal.
> 
> All of us, OSGeo members, no matter the position on the organization, are 
> volunteers.
> We volunteer our time, our knowledge, our resources, our energy, sometimes 
> even our family.
> We don’t make comparisons between the someone that took one minute to make a 
> contribution, with the other someone who took 5 minutes. Maybe this last 
> statement its not 100% true, the exception I see is when we nominate a person 
> for the board and we want the rest of the community to notice the 
> contributions that are done by the nominee.
> 
> I was the first person to second your nomination, even when I was nominated 
> myself, because, I don’t see any of the nominees as opponents, I see them as 
> work team. From the fact that none of us participated on any attack of any 
> kind I deduce that we have the same view about each other: we are a team.
> 
> At the moment of your nomination, I see you trying to keep up to date the 
> OSGeo wiki pages, twitting events, volunteering time for SAC, planning to go 
> to a FOSS4G, doing administration of GSoC OSGeo program, applying for GCI 
> program, asking for volunteers, commenting on my poster design, making the 
> MapServer releases, and maybe more things that I don’t know about, but I am 
> leaving at the end of this list: you were also helping the CRO. 
> Because of your extra will to help and to give more to the community, how 
> fortunate the CRO was to have your help for the charter member elections, 
> specially this year, with so many new nominated people for charter member, 
> and how unfortunate for you to be pointed at because of the helping inertia, 
> keep on helping. Even when you stepped down from helping the CRO to accept 
> the nomination.
> 
> I must tell you that, not even in my wildest dreams I expected to be asked if 
> I would accept to be part of the board, I consider that an honor, and it 
> comes with a lot of responsibilities. If instead of you helping the CRO, was 
> me the one helping the CRO, I would have done the same, step down to accept 
> the nomination, basically because someone considers that my possible, non 
> CRO, future contributions are more valuable than contributing helping the CRO.
> 
> One thing that worries me is to see that helping so much, deserves an attack 
> of such magnitude, and if its not for your “helping the CRO” reason, and, 
> despite of being a reminder, the “stepping down from board past” that was 
> started, might have been the cheery of this sour cake.
> 
> I don’t know about that past, and I don’t ask, as I mentioned I have being 
> only two years on the organization, I only know about what I have seen during 
> these 2 years, and that knowledge gives me a feeling of what I want to see in 
> the future.
> 
> Based on what I see, and what I can foresee with you on the board, I am not 
> withdrawing my second-ing your nomination made by Nicolas Bozon.
> As a person, I can understand, and I fully support what ever decision you 
> make/made, to keep your mind in peace, after all things that have happened.
> 
> There are other things that worries me for the future:
> - Members could refrain from nominating (or seconding a nomination) because 
> when you nominate a person, you never ever want the person to be treated like 
> that,
> - We all make mistakes, and the fear of being overly attacked because of that 
> speck of sawdust, could refrain accepting the nomination.
> - Members could stop asking about what they feel is important because they 
> don’t know how a question can be overly used or be considered  by others.
> This really was a lose-lose situation.
> You can be sure you that no matter what the outcome is, because, as charter 
> member, I will do, within my capabilities and knowledge, what ever I can, for 
> this kind of situation never to repeat in the future to any of us.
> 
> Despite of being repetitive, I understand what you are going through, and you 
> have my support and friendship.
> 
> With all my respect and admiration, your friend and colleague, 
> Celia Virginia Vergara Castillo.
> OSGeo Charter Member
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 9:34 AM, Jeff McKenna 
>>  wrote:
>> Dear CRO,
>> 
>> Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to cause 
>> all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here publicly this 
>> election.
>> 
>> I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for volunteering 
>> their time for the OSGeo community.
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> -Jeff McKenna
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Vasile Craciunescu]

On 10/22/17 9:00 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
This could all be solved by having a vote system that allows voters to 
modify their votes at any point up to the closing time.


  Can that be done with the current software system? Can it be 
retrospectively done with the current *election*? :)


No. Votes are anonymized. Cannot be changed as we have no link between 
the user ID and their votes.


Best,
Vasile
CRO 2017

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Marc Vloemans]

+++1

Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans


> Op 22 okt. 2017 om 18:33 heeft seven  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
> After reading latest posts I agree that canceling the elections might open 
> Pandora's box (which is not going to happen because we are all grown up and 
> work towards the same goal, right?)
> 
> Honestly, having Jeff retrospectively withdrawing his resignation and 
> accepting the election and sit on the board will make him (and us all) look 
> really silly. I already regret to have voiced my opinion at all. 
> 
> Vasile, Board, you have my fullest compassion. 
> 
> http://arnulf.us
> Mind your business
> 
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: n...@nikosalexandris.net
> Datum: 22.10.17 18:18 (GMT+01:00)
> An: vas...@geo-spatial.org
> Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election
> 
> Dear Vasile,
> 
> for what is worth, from my short experience as a CRO for GRASS' PSC elections 
> last year, and I mean my readings on and off in trying to be useful for the 
> process,
> 
> I think it is not useful to cancel running elections. Nor it is to accept any 
> withdrawal during the process.
> 
> The candidacies, the process and the result should be protected from any such 
> actions. Else, it is like openning a small Pandora's box and any similar 
> difficulty could eventually cancel the elections.
> 
> Please, let the process finish, don't rush. Give time for second thoughts to 
> everyone. After the elections, life will go on somehow as Even sketched it 
> very well.
> 
> Nikos 
> 
> À Dimanche 22 octobre 2017, Vasile Craciunescu a écrit :
> > Barry,
> > 
> > I fully agree with you that a complete restart is the fairest way to go. 
> > However, people are getting really tired with this subject and some 
> > already unsubscribe from this mailing list. Also, not sure if this 
> > should be my call or the board should formally decide on this. Probably 
> > should be me, as four of the board are standing for reelection. I know 
> > that most of you are irritated by the amount of emails that circulate 
> > this days on the mailing list but I would like to hear more opinions on 
> > this subject before taking a decision.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Vasile
> > CRO 2017
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/22/17 4:33 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
> > > list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
> > > aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election, 
> > > you should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without 
> > > the withdrawn candidate.
> > > Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet 
> > > that one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.
> > > 
> > > I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't 
> > > have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!
> > > 
> > > If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after 
> > > the election then I assume there's regulations for having new 
> > > by-elections for vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.
> > > 
> > > Barry
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I can
> > > insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
> > > tonight/Monday morning.
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > Vasile
> > > CRO 2017
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> > >  > Dear CRO,
> > >  >
> > >  > Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
> > >  > cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
> > > publicly
> > >  > this election.
> > >  >
> > >  > I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
> > >  > volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
> > >  >
> > >  > Yours,
> > >  >
> > >  > -Jeff McKenna
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > ___
> > >  > Discuss mailing list
> > >  > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
> > >  > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ___
> > > Discuss mailing list
> > > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
> > > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > -
> > Vasile Crăciunescu
> > geo-spatial.org: An elegant place for sharing geoKnowledge 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Nikos Alexandris]

* seven  [2017-10-22 18:33:57 +0200]:


After reading latest posts I agree that canceling the elections might
open Pandora's box (which is not going to happen because we are all
grown up and work towards the same goal, right?)


Gruess Dich Arnulf,

But of course it's not going to happen. Yet, surprised we are with
so many things, so many times.

Nikos

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)]

If I may, I find Arnulf’s guidance very refreshing!
Both his Yin (vote now) and his Yang (vote again).
+∞

And I have just heard the UN is prepared to recognize OSGeo as full-voting 
member of the UN General Assembly if we are able to hold a successful election! 
But only if we include one Panda and one Polar bear, and an almost equal number 
of women. I know we can do it! Oops, sorry, another one of those LSD 
flashbacks. ;-0

Remember what we are voting for. . .
The Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) is a not-for-profit organization 
whose mission is to foster global adoption of open geospatial technology by 
being an inclusive software foundation devoted to an open philosophy and 
participatory community driven development.

Let’s kick-start this thing, with some positive momentum!
-Patrick

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To: n...@nikosalexandris.net; vas...@geo-spatial.org
Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

After reading latest posts I agree that canceling the elections might open 
Pandora's box (which is not going to happen because we are all grown up and 
work towards the same goal, right?)

Honestly, having Jeff retrospectively withdrawing his resignation and accepting 
the election and sit on the board will make him (and us all) look really silly. 
I already regret to have voiced my opinion at all.

Vasile, Board, you have my fullest compassion.

http://arnulf.us
Mind your business

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: n...@nikosalexandris.net
Datum: 22.10.17 18:18 (GMT+01:00)
An: vas...@geo-spatial.org
Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

Dear Vasile,

for what is worth, from my short experience as a CRO for GRASS' PSC elections 
last year, and I mean my readings on and off in trying to be useful for the 
process,

I think it is not useful to cancel running elections. Nor it is to accept any 
withdrawal during the process.

The candidacies, the process and the result should be protected from any such 
actions. Else, it is like openning a small Pandora's box and any similar 
difficulty could eventually cancel the elections.

Please, let the process finish, don't rush. Give time for second thoughts to 
everyone. After the elections, life will go on somehow as Even sketched it very 
well.

Nikos

À Dimanche 22 octobre 2017, Vasile Craciunescu a écrit :
> Barry,
>
> I fully agree with you that a complete restart is the fairest way to go.
> However, people are getting really tired with this subject and some
> already unsubscribe from this mailing list. Also, not sure if this
> should be my call or the board should formally decide on this. Probably
> should be me, as four of the board are standing for reelection. I know
> that most of you are irritated by the amount of emails that circulate
> this days on the mailing list but I would like to hear more opinions on
> this subject before taking a decision.
>
> Best,
> Vasile
> CRO 2017
>
>
> On 10/22/17 4:33 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
> >
> >
> > My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
> > list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
> > aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.
> >
> >
> > No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election,
> > you should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without
> > the withdrawn candidate.
> > Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet
> > that one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.
> >
> > I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't
> > have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!
> >
> > If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after
> > the election then I assume there's regulations for having new
> > by-elections for vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.
> >
> > Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I can
> > insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
> > tonight/Monday morning.
> >
> > Best,
> > Vasile
> > CRO 2017
> >
> >
> > [1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017
> > 
> >
> >
> > On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> >  > Dear CRO,
> >  >
> >  > Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
> >  > cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
> > publicly
> >  > this election.
> >  >
> >  > I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
> >  > volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
> >  >
> >  > Yours,
> >  >
> >  > -Jeff McKenna
> >  >
> >  

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[seven]

After reading latest posts I agree that canceling the elections might open 
Pandora's box (which is not going to happen because we are all grown up and 
work towards the same goal, right?)
Honestly, having Jeff retrospectively withdrawing his resignation and accepting 
the election and sit on the board will make him (and us all) look really silly. 
I already regret to have voiced my opinion at all. 
Vasile, Board, you have my fullest compassion. 
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 Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: n...@nikosalexandris.net Datum: 
22.10.17  18:18  (GMT+01:00) An: vas...@geo-spatial.org Cc: 
discuss@lists.osgeo.org Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board 
election 
Dear Vasile,

for what is worth, from my short experience as a CRO for GRASS' PSC elections 
last year, and I mean my readings on and off in trying to be useful for the 
process,

I think it is not useful to cancel running elections. Nor it is to accept any 
withdrawal during the process.

The candidacies, the process and the result should be protected from any such 
actions. Else, it is like openning a small Pandora's box and any similar 
difficulty could eventually cancel the elections.

Please, let the process finish, don't rush. Give time for second thoughts to 
everyone. After the elections, life will go on somehow as Even sketched it very 
well.

Nikos 

À Dimanche 22 octobre 2017, Vasile Craciunescu a écrit :
> Barry,
> 
> I fully agree with you that a complete restart is the fairest way to go. 
> However, people are getting really tired with this subject and some 
> already unsubscribe from this mailing list. Also, not sure if this 
> should be my call or the board should formally decide on this. Probably 
> should be me, as four of the board are standing for reelection. I know 
> that most of you are irritated by the amount of emails that circulate 
> this days on the mailing list but I would like to hear more opinions on 
> this subject before taking a decision.
> 
> Best,
> Vasile
> CRO 2017
> 
> 
> On 10/22/17 4:33 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
> > list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
> > aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.
> > 
> > 
> > No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election, 
> > you should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without 
> > the withdrawn candidate.
> > Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet 
> > that one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.
> > 
> > I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't 
> > have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!
> > 
> > If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after 
> > the election then I assume there's regulations for having new 
> > by-elections for vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.
> > 
> > Barry
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I can
> > insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
> > tonight/Monday morning.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Vasile
> > CRO 2017
> > 
> > 
> > [1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> >  > Dear CRO,
> >  >
> >  > Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
> >  > cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
> > publicly
> >  > this election.
> >  >
> >  > I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
> >  > volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
> >  >
> >  > Yours,
> >  >
> >  > -Jeff McKenna
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > ___
> >  > Discuss mailing list
> >  > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
> >  > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > 
> > 
> > ___
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> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[nik]

Dear Vasile,

for what is worth, from my short experience as a CRO for GRASS' PSC elections 
last year, and I mean my readings on and off in trying to be useful for the 
process,

I think it is not useful to cancel running elections. Nor it is to accept any 
withdrawal during the process.

The candidacies, the process and the result should be protected from any such 
actions. Else, it is like openning a small Pandora's box and any similar 
difficulty could eventually cancel the elections.

Please, let the process finish, don't rush. Give time for second thoughts to 
everyone. After the elections, life will go on somehow as Even sketched it very 
well.

Nikos 

À Dimanche 22 octobre 2017, Vasile Craciunescu a écrit :
> Barry,
> 
> I fully agree with you that a complete restart is the fairest way to go. 
> However, people are getting really tired with this subject and some 
> already unsubscribe from this mailing list. Also, not sure if this 
> should be my call or the board should formally decide on this. Probably 
> should be me, as four of the board are standing for reelection. I know 
> that most of you are irritated by the amount of emails that circulate 
> this days on the mailing list but I would like to hear more opinions on 
> this subject before taking a decision.
> 
> Best,
> Vasile
> CRO 2017
> 
> 
> On 10/22/17 4:33 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
> > list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
> > aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.
> > 
> > 
> > No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election, 
> > you should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without 
> > the withdrawn candidate.
> > Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet 
> > that one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.
> > 
> > I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't 
> > have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!
> > 
> > If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after 
> > the election then I assume there's regulations for having new 
> > by-elections for vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.
> > 
> > Barry
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I can
> > insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
> > tonight/Monday morning.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Vasile
> > CRO 2017
> > 
> > 
> > [1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> >  > Dear CRO,
> >  >
> >  > Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
> >  > cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
> > publicly
> >  > this election.
> >  >
> >  > I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
> >  > volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
> >  >
> >  > Yours,
> >  >
> >  > -Jeff McKenna
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > ___
> >  > Discuss mailing list
> >  > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
> >  > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > 
> > 
> > ___
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[seven]

Vasile, I agree with Barry and others. It is your call to cancel this election 
because it was invalidated by Jeff's (repeated) resignation (irresponsibly 
causing an unnecessary and damaging split in the community). 
Board you will then have to decide how to proceed. My completely impassionate 
recommendation is to accept Jeff's resignation and immediately restart 
elections with the great slate of honorable, well meaning candidates who have 
already been nominated and seconded.
To the critics on this list:To my knowledge there was not a single personal 
attack which would in any way justify Jeff 's resignation which was again given 
without any rationale. Therefore I have to reject any and all accusation 
against the board, CRO or other individuals who have just done their jobs and 
correctly pointed out irregularities. 
All,can we now please have a grown-up election and get some peace so that we 
can turn back to do useful things? Please! 
Does anyone really believe that it makes a difference to Jeff's great community 
building and support work, whether he is on the board or not? He will be 
passionately pissed off, smolder for a while, then remember that he already has 
been awarded the Sol Katz award and the friendship and support of all OSGeo and 
then he will continue to grow affordable FOSS4Gs ground the world. 
I volunteer to support Vasile as co-CRO in case this is seen as helpful and 
does not further disrupt processes. Alternatively I offer my resignation from 
Charter Membership (for no obvious reason).
This was a totally inappropriate joke. But funny all the same. 
Lets get some fun back into OSGeo and all that passion channelled into 
constructive work instead of bickering around positions and roles and 
formalities more than is really necessary. 
Slighty pissed off regards, Arnulf 

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 Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Vasile Craciunescu 
 Datum: 22.10.17  16:14  (GMT+01:00) An: Barry 
Rowlingson  Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Betreff: 
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election 
Barry,

I fully agree with you that a complete restart is the fairest way to go. 
However, people are getting really tired with this subject and some 
already unsubscribe from this mailing list. Also, not sure if this 
should be my call or the board should formally decide on this. Probably 
should be me, as four of the board are standing for reelection. I know 
that most of you are irritated by the amount of emails that circulate 
this days on the mailing list but I would like to hear more opinions on 
this subject before taking a decision.

Best,
Vasile
CRO 2017


On 10/22/17 4:33 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
> 
> 
> My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
> list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
> aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.
> 
> 
> No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election, 
> you should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without 
> the withdrawn candidate.
> Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet 
> that one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.
> 
> I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't 
> have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!
> 
> If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after 
> the election then I assume there's regulations for having new 
> by-elections for vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.
> 
> Barry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I can
> insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
> tonight/Monday morning.
> 
> Best,
> Vasile
> CRO 2017
> 
> 
> [1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>  > Dear CRO,
>  >
>  > Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
>  > cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
> publicly
>  > this election.
>  >
>  > I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
>  > volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
>  >
>  > Yours,
>  >
>  > -Jeff McKenna
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > ___
>  > Discuss mailing list
>  > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
>  > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Re: withdrawal from Board election

[nik]

Well spoken Even.

Thank you, Nikos


À Dimanche 22 octobre 2017, Vasile Craciunescu a écrit :
> Forwarding Even's opinion on the subject.
> 
> Best,
> Vasile
> CRO 2017
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election
> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2017 16:27:45 +0200
> From: Even Rouault 
> To: Barry Rowlingson , Vasile Craciunescu 
> 
> 
> On dimanche 22 octobre 2017 14:33:30 CEST Barry Rowlingson wrote:
> > My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
> > 
> > > list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
> > > aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.
> > 
> > No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election,
> > you should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without the
> > withdrawn candidate.
> > 
> > Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet that
> > one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.
> > 
> > I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't
> > have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!
> > 
> > If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after the
> > election then I assume there's regulations for having new by-elections for
> > vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.
> > 
> 
> I had a quick search in the bylaws and as far as I can see, there's no 
> provison for a candidate withdrawing during the election time.
> For what is worth, in France for presidential election, once the 
> candidatures have been approved as valid, a candidate can no longer 
> withdraw (the election would be re-run only in the case where a 
> candidate would die or some force majeure impeaching him). If there are 
> laws of Delaware on the subject, they would probably be a better fit in 
> that instance...
> So my view on this situation would be to proceed to the end of the 
> election with the initial list of candidates. And there are 3 possible 
> outcomes:
> * candidate wanting to withdraw is finally not elected. Life goes on
> * candidate is elected, and immediately resigns. Then my understanding 
> of bylaws ("Section 3.7. Vacancies") is that the remaining directors 
> will elect someone to fill the seat
> * candidate is elected, and doesn't resign. Life goes on
> 
> Re-running elections could result in a almost endless loop in case 
> individuals organize a plot to propose candidates and that they resign 
> during the election (until we go short of charter members to be 
> elligible :-) And, in fact, nothing probably formally prevents a 
> candidate that has withdrawned to be a candidate again...)
> 
> (I dropped-off discuss@lists.osgeo.org from my reply to limit the 
> trafic, but if Vasile prefers to make it public, or incorporate some of 
> it in a message, no problem)
> 
> Even
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Mark Iliffe]

+1

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Oct 2017, at 17:17, Bart van den Eijnden  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Barry that this is the only way forward, a new ballot.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Bart
> 
>> On 22-10-17 15:33, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
>>> list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
>>> aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.
>> 
>> No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election, you 
>> should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without the 
>> withdrawn candidate. 
>>  
>> Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet that 
>> one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted. 
>> 
>> I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't have 
>> a cost impact, unlike a paper election!
>> 
>> If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after the 
>> election then I assume there's regulations for having new by-elections for 
>> vacant seats, but this situation is not the same. 
>> 
>> Barry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I can
>>> insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
>>> tonight/Monday morning.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Vasile
>>> CRO 2017
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>> > Dear CRO,
>>> >
>>> > Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
>>> > cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here publicly
>>> > this election.
>>> >
>>> > I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
>>> > volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
>>> >
>>> > Yours,
>>> >
>>> > -Jeff McKenna
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ___
>>> > Discuss mailing list
>>> > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>>> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>> 
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>> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I agree with Barry that this is the only way forward, a new ballot.

Best regards,

Bart


On 22-10-17 15:33, Barry Rowlingson wrote:



My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.


No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an 
election, you should declare the current ballot void and start a new 
one without the withdrawn candidate.
Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet 
that one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.


I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this 
doesn't have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!


If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after 
the election then I assume there's regulations for having new 
by-elections for vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.


Barry




I can
insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
tonight/Monday morning.

Best,
Vasile
CRO 2017


[1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017



On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> Dear CRO,
>
> Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
> cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
publicly
> this election.
>
> I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
> volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
>
> Yours,
>
> -Jeff McKenna
>
>
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Re: withdrawal from Board election

[Vasile Craciunescu]

Forwarding Even's opinion on the subject.

Best,
Vasile
CRO 2017


 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2017 16:27:45 +0200
From: Even Rouault 
To: Barry Rowlingson , Vasile Craciunescu 



On dimanche 22 octobre 2017 14:33:30 CEST Barry Rowlingson wrote:

My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the

> list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
> aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.

No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election,
you should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without the
withdrawn candidate.

Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet that
one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.

I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't
have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!

If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after the
election then I assume there's regulations for having new by-elections for
vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.



I had a quick search in the bylaws and as far as I can see, there's no 
provison for a candidate withdrawing during the election time.
For what is worth, in France for presidential election, once the 
candidatures have been approved as valid, a candidate can no longer 
withdraw (the election would be re-run only in the case where a 
candidate would die or some force majeure impeaching him). If there are 
laws of Delaware on the subject, they would probably be a better fit in 
that instance...
So my view on this situation would be to proceed to the end of the 
election with the initial list of candidates. And there are 3 possible 
outcomes:

* candidate wanting to withdraw is finally not elected. Life goes on
* candidate is elected, and immediately resigns. Then my understanding 
of bylaws ("Section 3.7. Vacancies") is that the remaining directors 
will elect someone to fill the seat

* candidate is elected, and doesn't resign. Life goes on

Re-running elections could result in a almost endless loop in case 
individuals organize a plot to propose candidates and that they resign 
during the election (until we go short of charter members to be 
elligible :-) And, in fact, nothing probably formally prevents a 
candidate that has withdrawned to be a candidate again...)


(I dropped-off discuss@lists.osgeo.org from my reply to limit the 
trafic, but if Vasile prefers to make it public, or incorporate some of 
it in a message, no problem)


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[OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

>Barry,
>
>I fully agree with you that a complete restart is the fairest way to go.
>However, people are getting really tired with this subject and some
>already unsubscribe from this mailing list. Also, not sure if this
>should be my call or the board should formally decide on this. Probably
>should be me, as four of the board are standing for reelection. I know
>that most of you are irritated by the amount of emails that circulate
>this days on the mailing list but I would like to hear more opinions on
>this subject before taking a decision.
>
>Best,
>Vasile
>CRO 2017

I concur here with Barry.

Kind regards
Helmut

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Michael Smith]

Concur with Steven. I think we just go forward with the election. 

Michael Smith
OSGeo Treasurer 

> On Oct 22, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Steven Feldman  wrote:
> 
> I don't think there is a basis for cancelling the election and restarting 
> 
> We should continue with the voting. 
> 
> With the volume of mail on this list, there is little chance of any charter 
> member not knowing that Jeff has withdrawn
> 
> Leave Jeff's name on the ballot and allow those who would like to see Jeff 
> back on the board to vote for him. Who knows, maybe he will be elected and 
> then change his mind again and accept his place on the board?
> 
> Steven
> 
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2017, at 15:14, Vasile Craciunescu  wrote:
>> 
>> Barry,
>> 
>> I fully agree with you that a complete restart is the fairest way to go. 
>> However, people are getting really tired with this subject and some already 
>> unsubscribe from this mailing list. Also, not sure if this should be my call 
>> or the board should formally decide on this. Probably should be me, as four 
>> of the board are standing for reelection. I know that most of you are 
>> irritated by the amount of emails that circulate this days on the mailing 
>> list but I would like to hear more opinions on this subject before taking a 
>> decision.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Vasile
>> CRO 2017
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/22/17 4:33 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
>>>   My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
>>>   list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
>>>   aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.
>>> No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election, 
>>> you should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without the 
>>> withdrawn candidate.
>>> Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet that 
>>> one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.
>>> I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't 
>>> have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!
>>> If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after the 
>>> election then I assume there's regulations for having new by-elections for 
>>> vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.
>>> Barry
>>>   I can
>>>   insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
>>>   tonight/Monday morning.
>>>   Best,
>>>   Vasile
>>>   CRO 2017
>>>   [1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017
>>>   
   On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
 Dear CRO,
 
 Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
 cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
>>>   publicly
 this election.
 
 I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
 volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
 
 Yours,
 
 -Jeff McKenna
 
 
 
 ___
 Discuss mailing list
 Discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
 https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl]

Barry, CRO, others, 


According to our bylaws [1], (section 3.7) it's up to the remaining Board 
members to choose someone to fill the gap. There's no such thing as in-between 
elections.

As such happened in January 2016, when Jeff stepped down, and the Board choose 
Dirk Frigne to join the board.
(in March 2013, the Board decided not to fill the gap for the remaining months 
until the next elections)
In this particular case, I guess it's up to the new Board to find and select a 
"stand-in". Or simply leave one vacancy until 2018.

Although these elections don't quite deserve a gold medal, I agree to get on 
with it.



Kind regards, 

Gert-Jan
 

 [1] http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html

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Van: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] Namens Vasile Craciunescu
Verzonden: zondag 22 oktober 2017 16:14
Aan: Barry Rowlingson
CC: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Onderwerp: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

Barry,

I fully agree with you that a complete restart is the fairest way to go. 
However, people are getting really tired with this subject and some already 
unsubscribe from this mailing list. Also, not sure if this should be my call or 
the board should formally decide on this. Probably should be me, as four of the 
board are standing for reelection. I know that most of you are irritated by the 
amount of emails that circulate this days on the mailing list but I would like 
to hear more opinions on this subject before taking a decision.

Best,
Vasile
CRO 2017


On 10/22/17 4:33 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
> 
> 
> My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
> list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
> aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.
> 
> 
> No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election, 
> you should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without 
> the withdrawn candidate.
> Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet 
> that one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.
> 
> I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't 
> have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!
> 
> If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after 
> the election then I assume there's regulations for having new 
> by-elections for vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.
> 
> Barry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I can
> insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
> tonight/Monday morning.
> 
> Best,
> Vasile
> CRO 2017
> 
> 
> [1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>  > Dear CRO,
>  >
>  > Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
>  > cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
> publicly
>  > this election.
>  >
>  > I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
>  > volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
>  >
>  > Yours,
>  >
>  > -Jeff McKenna
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > ___
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>  > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
>  > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> 
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> 
> 


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Steven Feldman]

I don't think there is a basis for cancelling the election and restarting 

We should continue with the voting. 

With the volume of mail on this list, there is little chance of any charter 
member not knowing that Jeff has withdrawn

Leave Jeff's name on the ballot and allow those who would like to see Jeff back 
on the board to vote for him. Who knows, maybe he will be elected and then 
change his mind again and accept his place on the board?

Steven


> On 22 Oct 2017, at 15:14, Vasile Craciunescu  wrote:
> 
> Barry,
> 
> I fully agree with you that a complete restart is the fairest way to go. 
> However, people are getting really tired with this subject and some already 
> unsubscribe from this mailing list. Also, not sure if this should be my call 
> or the board should formally decide on this. Probably should be me, as four 
> of the board are standing for reelection. I know that most of you are 
> irritated by the amount of emails that circulate this days on the mailing 
> list but I would like to hear more opinions on this subject before taking a 
> decision.
> 
> Best,
> Vasile
> CRO 2017
> 
> 
>> On 10/22/17 4:33 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
>>My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
>>list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
>>aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.
>> No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election, you 
>> should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without the 
>> withdrawn candidate.
>> Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet that 
>> one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.
>> I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't have 
>> a cost impact, unlike a paper election!
>> If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after the 
>> election then I assume there's regulations for having new by-elections for 
>> vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.
>> Barry
>>I can
>>insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
>>tonight/Monday morning.
>>Best,
>>Vasile
>>CRO 2017
>>[1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017
>>
>>On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>> > Dear CRO,
>> >
>> > Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
>> > cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
>>publicly
>> > this election.
>> >
>> > I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
>> > volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
>> >
>> > Yours,
>> >
>> > -Jeff McKenna
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ___
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>> > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
>> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Vasile Craciunescu]

Barry,

I fully agree with you that a complete restart is the fairest way to go. 
However, people are getting really tired with this subject and some 
already unsubscribe from this mailing list. Also, not sure if this 
should be my call or the board should formally decide on this. Probably 
should be me, as four of the board are standing for reelection. I know 
that most of you are irritated by the amount of emails that circulate 
this days on the mailing list but I would like to hear more opinions on 
this subject before taking a decision.


Best,
Vasile
CRO 2017


On 10/22/17 4:33 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:



My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.


No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an election, 
you should declare the current ballot void and start a new one without 
the withdrawn candidate.
Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet 
that one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.


I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this doesn't 
have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!


If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after 
the election then I assume there's regulations for having new 
by-elections for vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.


Barry




I can
insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
tonight/Monday morning.

Best,
Vasile
CRO 2017


[1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017



On 10/21/17 3:34 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
 > Dear CRO,
 >
 > Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
 > cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
publicly
 > this election.
 >
 > I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
 > volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
 >
 > Yours,
 >
 > -Jeff McKenna
 >
 >
 >
 > ___
 > Discuss mailing list
 > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
 > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Silvia Franceschi]

+ 1 for Maxi.

Please do not accept Jeff's withdrawal, I hope he can join the board again
and go on with all the things he did in the past!

Silvia


On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Vicky Vergara  wrote:

> Open letter to Jeff McKenna.
>
>
> Dear Jeff:
>
>
> I am so sad about the situation that led you to ask about the withdrawal.
>
>
> All of us, OSGeo members, no matter the position on the organization, are
> volunteers.
>
> We volunteer our time, our knowledge, our resources, our energy, sometimes
> even our family.
>
> We don’t make comparisons between the someone that took one minute to make
> a contribution, with the other someone who took 5 minutes. Maybe this last
> statement its not 100% true, the exception I see is when we nominate a
> person for the board and we want the rest of the community to notice the
> contributions that are done by the nominee.
>
>
> I was the first person to second your nomination, even when I was
> nominated myself, because, I don’t see any of the nominees as opponents, I
> see them as work team. From the fact that none of us participated on any
> attack of any kind I deduce that we have the same view about each other: we
> are a team.
>
>
> At the moment of your nomination, I see you trying to keep up to date the
> OSGeo wiki pages, twitting events, volunteering time for SAC, planning to
> go to a FOSS4G, doing administration of GSoC OSGeo program, applying for
> GCI program, asking for volunteers, commenting on my poster design, making
> the MapServer releases, and maybe more things that I don’t know about, but
> I am leaving at the end of this list: you were also helping the CRO.
>
> Because of your extra will to help and to give more to the community, how
> fortunate the CRO was to have your help for the charter member elections,
> specially this year, with so many new nominated people for charter member,
> and how unfortunate for you to be pointed at because of the helping
> inertia, keep on helping. Even when you stepped down from helping the CRO
> to accept the nomination.
>
>
> I must tell you that, not even in my wildest dreams I expected to be asked
> if I would accept to be part of the board, I consider that an honor, and it
> comes with a lot of responsibilities. If instead of you helping the CRO,
> was me the one helping the CRO, I would have done the same, step down to
> accept the nomination, basically because someone considers that my
> possible, non CRO, future contributions are more valuable than contributing
> helping the CRO.
>
>
> One thing that worries me is to see that helping so much, deserves an
> attack of such magnitude, and if its not for your “helping the CRO” reason,
> and, despite of being a reminder, the “stepping down from board past” that
> was started, might have been the cheery of this sour cake.
>
>
> I don’t know about that past, and I don’t ask, as I mentioned I have being
> only two years on the organization, I only know about what I have seen
> during these 2 years, and that knowledge gives me a feeling of what I want
> to see in the future.
>
>
> Based on what I see, and what I can foresee with you on the board, I am
> not withdrawing my second-ing your nomination made by Nicolas Bozon.
>
> As a person, I can understand, and I fully support what ever decision you
> make/made, to keep your mind in peace, after all things that have happened.
>
>
> There are other things that worries me for the future:
>
> - Members could refrain from nominating (or seconding a nomination)
> because when you nominate a person, you never ever want the person to be
> treated like that,
>
> - We all make mistakes, and the fear of being overly attacked because of
> that speck of sawdust, could refrain accepting the nomination.
>
> - Members could stop asking about what they feel is important because they
> don’t know how a question can be overly used or be considered  by others.
>
> This really was a lose-lose situation.
>
> You can be sure you that no matter what the outcome is, because, as
> charter member, I will do, within my capabilities and knowledge, what ever
> I can, for this kind of situation never to repeat in the future to any of
> us.
>
>
> Despite of being repetitive, I understand what you are going through, and
> you have my support and friendship.
>
>
> With all my respect and admiration, your friend and colleague,
>
> Celia Virginia Vergara Castillo.
>
> OSGeo Charter Member
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 9:34 AM, Jeff McKenna <
> jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear CRO,
>>
>> Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to cause
>> all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here publicly this
>> election.
>>
>> I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
>> volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> -Jeff McKenna
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
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>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>> 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

[Jachym Cepicky]

Ravi, but people from most of the world can not effort flight  ticket to
say USA and week hostel - deal with it.

I keep always asking, "what can I do for open source 4 geospatial" instead
of "what can foss4g do for me?".

make local foss4g events, make hackathons, try to get founds, so you bring
the "big names" to you - it might be cheaper then trying to bring all your
friends to foss4g-global

it was proved, that the costs are rather constant. for the global event,
the rule is (ir it was) ever 3rd year, osgeo does not expect much of the
revenue, we hope the local people from local countries will come, we try to
bring foss4g to them..

costs in USA and Europe are making revenue - and it is good so, imho

J

so 21. 10. 2017 v 10:59 odesílatel Ravi Kumar 
napsal:

> "the fees are certainly not for normal people from most of the world"..
> This is balm to all those who consider themselves sidelined.
> Much of the world needs Open Source and Open and Free GIS for Transparent
> administration among a multitude of reasons. May be it is time for a course
> correction.
> Ravi
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Jachym Cepicky 
> wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> the fees are certainly not for normal people from most of the world. Not
>> talking about travel costs.
>>
>> But, as active member of the community, you can get considerable discount
>> (giving workshops, volunteer at sessions, ...).
>>
>> With FOSS4G-Europe, we aim to bring "little FOSS4G" to more people. And
>> it seems to be working.
>>
>> Just 0.02
>>
>> J
>>
>> čt 19. 10. 2017 v 8:44 odesílatel Till Adams 
>> napsal:
>>
>>> Dear list,
>>>
>>> I can invite everybody, to follow the RfP process for FOSS4G 2019 [1] -
>>> including the questions to the teams. This will show, that we as CC have
>>> the cost factor always in mind. When discussing about prices, please take
>>> into account, that conference fee normally is 1/3 - 1/5 of the total costs
>>> you have when visiting a FOSS4G.
>>>
>>> Also I'd like to invite everybody to make even small donations to the
>>> travel grant programme. We will announce, when the TGP for 2018 is setup.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Till
>>>
>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2019_Bid_Process
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 18.10.2017 um 09:30 schrieb Andrea Aime:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Bruce Bannerman <
>>> bruce.bannerman.os...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 When you look at the costs associated with a person attending a typical
 international FOSS4G event, the actual conference fees a small amount of
 the actual cost.

 Consider airfares, transportation, accomodation, meals, lost wages etc.
 There is nothing that an LOC can do about these individual costs.

>>>
>>> Ah hem, nothing that the LOC can do once the conference site is chosen,
>>> but something that OSGeo can do when assigning the location and timing.
>>> And I believe that is happening, if I'm not wrong for the first time the
>>> LOC needs to provide expected cost of airfare and accommodation as part
>>> of their proposal, which will make people consider carefully that aspect
>>> too.
>>>
>>> Another aspect that was not cited but that I heard in conversations and
>>> believe is important, it's that it is really hard to compress
>>> the cost of a large conference: the LOC needs a place that can host 1000
>>> people, and that can give internet to this many people,
>>> that places forces the catering package on you (I've been told by
>>> several conference chairs there no way to dodge that) and the
>>> two together make up for a large amount of the cost.
>>>
>>> So, besides some exceptions (think FOSDEM) it seems the only way to
>>> setup a cheaper conference is to make a smaller
>>> one that can be hosted at a university or in a smaller conference
>>> center. Hence the focus on the local conferences.
>>> I believe the threshold is at around 500 people, larger than that one is
>>> hung on the costly options.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Andrea
>>> ==
>>>
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>>> http://goo.gl/it488V for more information. == Ing. Andrea Aime @geowolf 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Ravi Kumar]

+ Maxi

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Kari Salovaara  wrote:

> I fully agree with Maxi and I stay in my voting.
> This discussion has been below any ... and due only some single persons
> who are looking only for their personal benefits.
>
> Kari
>
>
> Massimiliano Cannata kirjoitti 22.10.2017 klo 0:20:
>
> Dear Jeff,
> I hope your withdrawal is not accepted.
>
> With a community of hundreds of charter members I wouldn't care so much of
> the respectable opinion of a couple of people and I would let the board
> take the responsibility to take a decision.
>
> I don't see anything irregular in your participation, did anyone cheat?
> I'm sure this is not the case...
> Then, any lesson learned is useful to improve the process in the future...
>
> I bet the charter members who voted for you want you to stand for respect
> of their votes.
>
> Maxi
>
> Il 21 ott 2017 2:34 PM, "Jeff McKenna"  ha
> scritto:
>
>> Dear CRO,
>>
>> Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to cause
>> all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here publicly this
>> election.
>>
>> I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
>> volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> -Jeff McKenna
>>
>>
>>
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>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Moritz Lennert]

+1

Moritz

Le 21 octobre 2017 23:20:03 GMT+02:00, Massimiliano Cannata 
 a écrit :
>Dear Jeff,
>I hope your withdrawal is not accepted.
>
>With a community of hundreds of charter members I wouldn't care so much
>of
>the respectable opinion of a couple of people and I would let the board
>take the responsibility to take a decision.
>
>I don't see anything irregular in your participation, did anyone cheat?
>I'm
>sure this is not the case...
>Then, any lesson learned is useful to improve the process in the
>future...
>
>I bet the charter members who voted for you want you to stand for
>respect
>of their votes.
>
>Maxi
>
>Il 21 ott 2017 2:34 PM, "Jeff McKenna" 
>ha
>scritto:
>
>> Dear CRO,
>>
>> Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
>cause
>> all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here publicly
>this
>> election.
>>
>> I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
>> volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> -Jeff McKenna
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Kari Salovaara]

I fully agree with Maxi and I stay in my voting.
This discussion has been below any ... and due only some single persons
who are looking only for their personal benefits.

Kari

Massimiliano Cannata kirjoitti 22.10.2017 klo 0:20:
> Dear Jeff,
> I hope your withdrawal is not accepted.
>
> With a community of hundreds of charter members I wouldn't care so
> much of the respectable opinion of a couple of people and I would let
> the board take the responsibility to take a decision.
>
> I don't see anything irregular in your participation, did anyone
> cheat? I'm sure this is not the case...
> Then, any lesson learned is useful to improve the process in the future...
>
> I bet the charter members who voted for you want you to stand for
> respect of their votes.
>
> Maxi
>
> Il 21 ott 2017 2:34 PM, "Jeff McKenna"  > ha scritto:
>
> Dear CRO,
>
> Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry
> to cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
> publicly this election.
>
> I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
> volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
>
> Yours,
>
> -Jeff McKenna
>
>
>
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