[OSGeo-Discuss] Welcome new Board

[Ravi Kumar]

Hi List and Board,
very spirited developments and approaches.

Pl make it clear 'Where The Board will STOP'..
I mean for example, can they enact resolutions which will, change the 'Very
Character', of OSGeo without putting it to vote, by the charter members, or
gather feelings from the DISCUSS List..

Board, in all wisdom please give it a thought..

Cheers

Ravi Kumar
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections 2017 from the CRO point of view

[Jachym Cepicky]

Vasile - good work, thanks for it, you did great.

J

po 30. 10. 2017 v 18:32 odesílatel Jody Garnett 
napsal:

> I think the correct link is this one -
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2016-8-24#OSGeo_charter_member_election_procedure
> .
>
> But I agree, although this issue was discussed across several meetings
> (notably the issues and stratagy discussed here
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Face_to_Face_Meeting_2016) the end
> result was not communicated to our membership and came as a surprise for
> the 2017 elections.
>
> I like the new procedure, although I am sorry it is more work for the CRO.
> I am surprised at the perception that it is more inclusive - I believe it
> is a little less inclusive then the prior procedure (since a single -1 vote
> can now cause a candidate review). Both systems do not have an adequate way
> to ask for more information, or discuss a nomination, without it being
> viewed as a personal criticism. There are a couple of ideas (template for
> nominations, encouraged asking questions) but it will be a careful balance.
>
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 30 October 2017 at 09:57, Vasile Craciunescu 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Tom,
>>
>> I understand the way you are feeling and I know that are reasons for
>> that. I remember that I had some hard time when I did wrote that part of my
>> email. However, this was reported my many persons and I had to include this
>> in my message. Anyway, I don't think that a single old OSGeo charter member
>> will consider the new comers as lite members. The quality of the new
>> members is proven by the important number of seconding messages and by the
>> fact that no veto was raised. In the early years of OSGeo, the membership
>> process was a very selective one and this was also a subject of criticism.
>> I can understand why moving from one extreme to another can cause such
>> reactions. Personally I'm very in favor of an inclusive system but one with
>> an voting mechanism. This is something for the community and the board to
>> decide. The actual system is also a big burden to the CRO (hundreds of
>> emails and wiki edits) and also a stress for our mailing list.
>>
>> I can only speculate why they did not used our mailing list to express
>> their opinion. Most of them are old OSGeo members and I think they did not
>> want to sound like they are contesting the membership process (already
>> started) or that they contest the already nominated persons. Not a single
>> one contested the persons that were nominated and I'm 100% sure that was a
>> genuine care not to dilute the importance of our membership position. Also,
>> most of the messages were not sent to CRO email but over IRC/Google
>> Hangouts and some during face to face meetings, just before the elections,
>> at FOSS4G in Boston.
>>
>> I will conclude by reiterating again that all the critics were on the
>> membership process and not a single one about the new members. Of course,
>> those critics should not be expressed now, just before, during or after the
>> nomination process, but immediately after the board decided to change the
>> membership process. The board decided to make the change during the face to
>> face meeting in Bonn in 2016 [1]. At that time, the board did a poor job in
>> communicating this change to the community. Actually only those members
>> that are manually checking the meetings wiki pages or the OSGeo Loomio
>> instance were aware of the change. I was also a board member at that time
>> and I would like to apologize for not communicating better.
>>
>> Best,
>> Vasile
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2016-8-04
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/30/17 2:27 PM, Tom Chadwin wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Vasile and all
>>>
>>> I've thought long and hard about whether to reply or not, but it has
>>> been bothering me, so I guess I must.
>>>
>>> However, during the nomination
 period, many of our members considered the new membership process way
 too inclusive/lite, causing a diminution in the importance of the
 charter member position.

>>>
>>> As one of the intake of this year's new charter members, I find this
>>> both insulting and upsetting.
>>>
>>> My recommendations for the future board are to: (a) Change the
 existing membership process with another one more balanced, that assures
 both inclusiveness and a consistent weight for the charter member
 position.

>>>
>>> Where does that leave those of us elected as charter members this year?
>>> Are we "lite" members because "many" existing members felt strongly enough
>>> about protecting the exclusivity of their position to complain privately to
>>> the CRO, but not strongly enough to express that opinion openly so that it
>>> could be discussed?
>>>
>>> I really feel for Vasile that people expressed such a potentially toxic
>>> opinion, thereby absolving themselves of the responsibility of putting
>>> their names to it, while 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-UK] Contributor needed for Open Source Geo updates for GIS Professional magazine

[Suchith Anand]

Thanks Mike. I will pass the info to Niall. I think it will be good to have 3 
contributors (each contributing 2 articles per year) , so your help greatly 
appreciated.

Please do mail me the  Stansted meeting photo when you get time. Even though it 
was a small initial meeting, I still remember the energy and determination of 
all present to work selflessly for a bigger cause. It is great to see the rapid 
growth of OSGeo UK  community . It is now one of the most vibrant OSGeo 
communities globally thanks to efforts by Jo, Ian and many others. This is just 
the start :-)

Best wishes,

Suchith



From: Mike Saunt 
Sent: 05 November 2017 9:55 AM
To: Anand Suchith
Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; u...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-UK] Contributor needed for Open Source Geo updates for GIS 
Professional magazine

Suchith,

Let me know if you don't get any takers, I'll try to help where I can.

Mike

PS Jo shared the photo from that first meet with me recently.  Could drag it 
out if you like!

On Sat, 4 Nov 2017, 21:25 Suchith Anand, 
> wrote:
Hi all,

I have been contacted by Niall Conway (GIS Professional magazine)  to see  if 
there are any interested  contributor(s) who would like to share written 
updates on the latest developments in open source geo which will be of interest 
to the wider geospatial community?  They are looking  to include a section 
which is dedicated to opensource news and updates to ensure that the magazine 
content is as balanced as possible.

I think it is a great idea to have a balanced content coverage including also 
the developments in open source geo.  If anyone is interested to volunteer to 
share written updates including coverage of major events and conferences such 
as FOSS4G, software updates and partnerships within the broader geospatial 
field etc please contact Niall (Email - 
conwayni...@gmail.com )  . This role would 
particularly suit someone who enjoys writing on a range of new subjects and 
wishes to develop a profile in the industry.

Best wishes,

Suchith

PS: I remember Mike Saunt (Astun Technologies) used to write a column on open 
source geospatial developments for one of the GIS Industry publications. He 
published  the summary  from a first small meeting (less than 10 people 
including Tyler, Jo and me!) that OSGeo had in  the UK on the sidelines of 
another event around 10 years back!   But I could not find the article now . If 
anyone has pdf copy of  that article (or the url) could you please send me. 
Thanks.




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Alternative to CLA: Developer Certificate of Origin

[Jody Garnett]

I had a look at it last week, does not offer PSC the same level of
flexibility as CLA. And does not seem to cover common cases (like you
mentioned with an employee).

The project doing this (
https://about.gitlab.com/2017/11/01/gitlab-switches-to-dco-license/) has a
very permissive MIT license, so I can see why they do not realize the
flexibility benefit of a CLA. MIT code can already be used by other
projects due to wide compatibility.

The same developer origin approach used for a LGPL project would not be as
effective in sharing. We just used our OSGeo CLA with the GeoTools project
to donate some code to JTS, something we could not of done without a CLA.

It maybe of interest that we have a government CLA in the works for OSGeo,
waiting on legal review. This will hopefully allow organizations that are
restricted to the public domain to participate more easily with open source.

Open source is a very tricky balance of trust. Theses licenses provide
tools to help us get along. I like CLAs as a safety value providing more
options to the project teams to share and collaborate.

The signed off thing is easily spoofed; we did some experiments in 2016 to
see if it would work. That said just like headers at the top of the file it
can be a social signal that a team cares about open source and not screwing
up this game of trust.


On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 6:25 AM Even Rouault 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> Some food for thought for our projects regarding how to deal with
> contributions, triggered
>
> by a recent reading:
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/738048/#Comments
>
>
>
> Contributor License Agreement (CLA) tend to be replaced by a Developer
> Certificate
>
> of Origin (DCO) in a number of projects:
>
> https://developercertificate.org/
>
>
>
> DCO is the mechanism required by the Linux Kernel originally, and by other
> projects
>
> now, to accept contributions, as DCO requires less bureaucracy than a CLA
> and is
>
> seen more friendly by open source communities:
>
>
>
> CLA tastes more like corporate requirement and can typically require an
> employee to
>
> see his boss, make him approve the CLA, etc...
>
>
>
> An example how a project implemented DCO in their CONTRIBUTING.md :
>
> https://github.com/moby/moby/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
>
>
>
> One thing that was no completely clear to me is how a
>
> Signed-off-by: John Smith " in a commit message means
> that
>
> the contributor agrees to the the DCO terms. But reading the help of git
> commit for the
>
> -s option that is used to add the Signed-off-by, I see:
>
>
>
> -s, --signoff
>
> Add Signed-off-by line by the committer at the end of the commit log
> message.
>
> The meaning of a signoff depends on the project, but it typically
> certifies that
>
> committer has the rights to submit
>
> this work under the same license and agrees to a Developer Certificate of
> Origin
>
> (see http://developercertificate.org/ for more information).
>
>
>
> So this is typically a git-centric mechanism.
>
>
>
> Even
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Alternative to CLA: Developer Certificate of Origin

[Even Rouault]

Hi,

Some food for thought for our projects regarding how to deal with 
contributions, triggered
by a recent reading:
https://lwn.net/Articles/738048/#Comments

Contributor License Agreement (CLA) tend to be replaced by a Developer 
Certificate
of Origin (DCO) in a number of projects:
https://developercertificate.org/

DCO is the mechanism required by the Linux Kernel originally, and by other 
projects
now, to accept contributions, as DCO requires less bureaucracy than a CLA and is
seen more friendly by open source communities:

CLA tastes more like corporate requirement and can typically require an 
employee to
see his boss, make him approve the CLA, etc...

An example how a project implemented DCO in their CONTRIBUTING.md :
https://github.com/moby/moby/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md

One thing that was no completely clear to me is how a 
Signed-off-by: John Smith " in a commit message means that
the contributor agrees to the the DCO terms. But reading the help of git commit 
for the
-s option that is used to add the Signed-off-by, I see:

   -s, --signoff
   Add Signed-off-by line by the committer at the end of the commit log 
message.
The meaning of a signoff depends on the project, but it typically 
certifies that
   committer has the rights to submit
   this work under the same license and agrees to a Developer 
Certificate of Origin
  (see http://developercertificate.org/ for more information).

So this is typically a git-centric mechanism.

Even

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-UK] Contributor needed for Open Source Geo updates for GIS Professional magazine

[Mike Saunt]

Suchith,

Let me know if you don't get any takers, I'll try to help where I can.

Mike

PS Jo shared the photo from that first meet with me recently.  Could drag
it out if you like!

On Sat, 4 Nov 2017, 21:25 Suchith Anand, 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have been contacted by Niall Conway (GIS Professional magazine)  to see
> if there are any interested  contributor(s) who would like to share written
> updates on the latest developments in open source geo which will be of
> interest to the wider geospatial community?  They are looking  to include a
> section which is dedicated to opensource news and updates to ensure that
> the magazine content is as balanced as possible.
>
> I think it is a great idea to have a balanced content coverage including
> also the developments in open source geo.  If anyone is interested to
> volunteer to share written updates including coverage of major events and
> conferences such as FOSS4G, software updates and partnerships within the
> broader geospatial field etc please contact Niall (Email -
> conwayni...@gmail.com )  . This role would particularly suit someone who
> enjoys writing on a range of new subjects and wishes to develop a profile
> in the industry.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
> PS: I remember Mike Saunt (Astun Technologies) used to write a column on
> open source geospatial developments for one of the GIS Industry
> publications. He published  the summary  from a first small meeting (less
> than 10 people including Tyler, Jo and me!) that OSGeo had in  the UK on
> the sidelines of another event around 10 years back!   But I could not find
> the article now . If anyone has pdf copy of  that article (or the url)
> could you please send me. Thanks.
>
>
>
>
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