Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts

2020-07-23 Thread Jody Garnett 
Make a proposal to the board if you want to set this up as a cross project
initiative.

Marketing board would happy to accept your proposal also (this is a barrier
to adoption).

Approach project PSC individually also works.

There is a PDF on osgeo GitHub on how to do this kind of thing ...

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:36 PM Nyall Dawson  wrote:

> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 23:38, Jody Garnett  wrote:
> >
> > This discussion starts to get into the value, it is a lot of work to
> gather up these original or alternate sources ... both for end users
> migrating to open source, and for OSGeo projects to do on their own.
> >
> > I think this would be a great group project.
>
> Brett has recently compiled a summary of these fonts and symbols here:
> https://github.com/Saijin-Naib/ESRI-Fonts-Cheat-Sheets
>
> What I think we should aim for is an equivalent of the "Liberation"
> font package, which implements freely licensed equivalents of the
> standard Windows font packages (Arial, Times New Roman, etc), with
> identical font metrics and similar styling so that they can be used
> effectively as a drop-in replacement.
>
> What would be the next step to move forward with this and approach
> osgeo for funding?
>
> Kind regards,
> Nyall
>
> >
> > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:44 AM Brad Hards  wrote:
> >>
> >> I have no idea what is in the map fonts (or even what an ESRI map font
> is), but if you're looking for the symbology for DNC and VMAP, (which sound
> vaguely like: ESRI NIMA DNC LN, ESRI NIMA DNC PT, ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 LN,
> ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 PT) its probably based on some variant of the NGA GeoSym
> stuff - MIL-HDBK-857A and MIL-DTL-89045/A
> >>
> >> If you're prepared to deal with converting CGM to whatever that font
> thing is, you can download the definitions from the NGA GWG Portrayal
> Working Group at https://gwg.nga.mil/pfg_documents.php (expect a cert
> warning)
> >>
> >> The ESRI Mil2525C Modifiers and some of those MilSym / MilMod things
> might be MIL-STD-2525 (aka STANAG APP-6) symbology. Not usually treated as
> a font though
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Discuss  On Behalf Of Nyall
> Dawson
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2020 3:46 PM
> >> To: Even Rouault 
> >> Cc: OSGeo Discussions 
> >> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts
> >>
> >> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 01:13, Even Rouault 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > for my understanding, and hopefully help others, I assume the issue
> is that you have a style definition where there are tuples of
> (font_identifier, symbol_identifier_in_the_font) to define the styling of
> layers with point geometries, right ?
> >>
> >> Partially, but the "bigger picture" is that there's just no alternative
> freely available version of many of these symbol graphics themselves.
> That's the blocker that I've encountered.
> >>
> >> > If that's only the former, then assuming there would be N open fonts
> already covering the whole set of ESRI symbology fonts (unlikely), one
> could possibly create a mapping between each tuple of (ESRI_font_id,
> ESRI_symbol_id) to (OPEN_font_id, OPEN_symbol_id). If the later, then you
> need a complete replacement for each proprietary font.
> >>
> >> It's the later.
> >>
> >> > How many symbols / fonts are we discussing about ?
> >>
> >> There's about 73 fonts total (see list below, may not be complete),
> which average about 100 icons apiece.
> >>
> >> ESRI AMFM Electric
> >> ESRI AMFM Gas
> >> ESRI AMFM Sewer
> >> ESRI AMFM Water
> >> ESRI ArcPad
> >> ESRI Arrowhead
> >> ESRI Business
> >> ESRI Cartography
> >> ESRI Caves 1
> >> ESRI Caves 2
> >> ESRI Caves 3
> >> ESRI Climate & Precipitation
> >> ESRI Commodities
> >> ESRI Conservation
> >> ESRI Crime Analysis
> >> ESRI Default Marker
> >> ESRI Dimensioning
> >> ESRI Elements
> >> ESRI Enviro Hazard Analysis
> >> ESRI Enviro Hazard Incident
> >> ESRI Enviro Hazard Sites
> >> ESRI Environmental & Icons
> >> ESRI ERS Infrastructures S1
> >> ESRI ERS Operations S1
> >> ESRI Fire Incident NFPA
> >> ESRI Geology AGSO 1
> >> ESRI Geology
> >> ESRI Geology USGS 95-525
> >> ESRI Geometric Symbols
> >> ESRI Hazardous Materials
> >> ESRI Hydrants
> >> ESRI IGL Font16
> >> ESRI IGL Font20
> >> ESRI IGL Font21
> >> ESRI IGL Font22
> >> ESRI IGL Font23
> >> ESRI IGL Font24
> >> ESRI IGL Font25
> >> ESRI Meteorological 01
> >> ESRI Mil2525C Modifiers
> >> ESRI MilMod 01
> >> ESRI MilMod 02
> >> ESRI MilRed 01
> >> ESRI MilSym 01
> >> ESRI MilSym 02
> >> ESRI MilSym 03
> >> ESRI MilSym 04
> >> ESRI MilSym 05
> >> ESRI NIMA City Graphic LN
> >> ESRI NIMA City Graphic PT
> >> ESRI NIMA DNC LN
> >> ESRI NIMA DNC PT
> >> ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 LN
> >> ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 PT
> >> ESRI North
> >> ESRI Oil, Gas, & Water
> >> ESRI Ordnance Survey
> >> ESRI Pipeline US 1
> >> ESRI Public1
> >> ESRI SDS 1.95 1
> >> ESRI SDS 1.95 2
> >> ESRI SDS 2.00 1
> >> ESRI SDS 2.00 2
> >> ESRI Shields
> >> ESRI Surveyor
> >> ESRI Telecom
> >> ESRI Transportation & Civic
> >> ESRI

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts

2020-07-23 Thread Nyall Dawson 
On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 23:38, Jody Garnett  wrote:
>
> This discussion starts to get into the value, it is a lot of work to gather 
> up these original or alternate sources ... both for end users migrating to 
> open source, and for OSGeo projects to do on their own.
>
> I think this would be a great group project.

Brett has recently compiled a summary of these fonts and symbols here:
https://github.com/Saijin-Naib/ESRI-Fonts-Cheat-Sheets

What I think we should aim for is an equivalent of the "Liberation"
font package, which implements freely licensed equivalents of the
standard Windows font packages (Arial, Times New Roman, etc), with
identical font metrics and similar styling so that they can be used
effectively as a drop-in replacement.

What would be the next step to move forward with this and approach
osgeo for funding?

Kind regards,
Nyall

>
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:44 AM Brad Hards  wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea what is in the map fonts (or even what an ESRI map font is), 
>> but if you're looking for the symbology for DNC and VMAP, (which sound 
>> vaguely like: ESRI NIMA DNC LN, ESRI NIMA DNC PT, ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 LN, ESRI 
>> NIMA VMAP1&2 PT) its probably based on some variant of the NGA GeoSym stuff 
>> - MIL-HDBK-857A and MIL-DTL-89045/A
>>
>> If you're prepared to deal with converting CGM to whatever that font thing 
>> is, you can download the definitions from the NGA GWG Portrayal Working 
>> Group at https://gwg.nga.mil/pfg_documents.php (expect a cert warning)
>>
>> The ESRI Mil2525C Modifiers and some of those MilSym / MilMod things might 
>> be MIL-STD-2525 (aka STANAG APP-6) symbology. Not usually treated as a font 
>> though
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Discuss  On Behalf Of Nyall Dawson
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2020 3:46 PM
>> To: Even Rouault 
>> Cc: OSGeo Discussions 
>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts
>>
>> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 01:13, Even Rouault  wrote:
>>
>> > for my understanding, and hopefully help others, I assume the issue is 
>> > that you have a style definition where there are tuples of 
>> > (font_identifier, symbol_identifier_in_the_font) to define the styling of 
>> > layers with point geometries, right ?
>>
>> Partially, but the "bigger picture" is that there's just no alternative 
>> freely available version of many of these symbol graphics themselves. That's 
>> the blocker that I've encountered.
>>
>> > If that's only the former, then assuming there would be N open fonts 
>> > already covering the whole set of ESRI symbology fonts (unlikely), one 
>> > could possibly create a mapping between each tuple of (ESRI_font_id, 
>> > ESRI_symbol_id) to (OPEN_font_id, OPEN_symbol_id). If the later, then you 
>> > need a complete replacement for each proprietary font.
>>
>> It's the later.
>>
>> > How many symbols / fonts are we discussing about ?
>>
>> There's about 73 fonts total (see list below, may not be complete), which 
>> average about 100 icons apiece.
>>
>> ESRI AMFM Electric
>> ESRI AMFM Gas
>> ESRI AMFM Sewer
>> ESRI AMFM Water
>> ESRI ArcPad
>> ESRI Arrowhead
>> ESRI Business
>> ESRI Cartography
>> ESRI Caves 1
>> ESRI Caves 2
>> ESRI Caves 3
>> ESRI Climate & Precipitation
>> ESRI Commodities
>> ESRI Conservation
>> ESRI Crime Analysis
>> ESRI Default Marker
>> ESRI Dimensioning
>> ESRI Elements
>> ESRI Enviro Hazard Analysis
>> ESRI Enviro Hazard Incident
>> ESRI Enviro Hazard Sites
>> ESRI Environmental & Icons
>> ESRI ERS Infrastructures S1
>> ESRI ERS Operations S1
>> ESRI Fire Incident NFPA
>> ESRI Geology AGSO 1
>> ESRI Geology
>> ESRI Geology USGS 95-525
>> ESRI Geometric Symbols
>> ESRI Hazardous Materials
>> ESRI Hydrants
>> ESRI IGL Font16
>> ESRI IGL Font20
>> ESRI IGL Font21
>> ESRI IGL Font22
>> ESRI IGL Font23
>> ESRI IGL Font24
>> ESRI IGL Font25
>> ESRI Meteorological 01
>> ESRI Mil2525C Modifiers
>> ESRI MilMod 01
>> ESRI MilMod 02
>> ESRI MilRed 01
>> ESRI MilSym 01
>> ESRI MilSym 02
>> ESRI MilSym 03
>> ESRI MilSym 04
>> ESRI MilSym 05
>> ESRI NIMA City Graphic LN
>> ESRI NIMA City Graphic PT
>> ESRI NIMA DNC LN
>> ESRI NIMA DNC PT
>> ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 LN
>> ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 PT
>> ESRI North
>> ESRI Oil, Gas, & Water
>> ESRI Ordnance Survey
>> ESRI Pipeline US 1
>> ESRI Public1
>> ESRI SDS 1.95 1
>> ESRI SDS 1.95 2
>> ESRI SDS 2.00 1
>> ESRI SDS 2.00 2
>> ESRI Shields
>> ESRI Surveyor
>> ESRI Telecom
>> ESRI Transportation & Civic
>> ESRI US Forestry 1
>> ESRI US Forestry 2
>> ESRI US MUTCD 1
>> ESRI US MUTCD 2
>> ESRI US MUTCD 3
>> ESRI Weather
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G for cartography production

2020-07-23 Thread SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA 
?Thank you Adam, Eli, Nyall, Mario. We'll study all you sent us and come back 
to the list (this one or QGIS/gvSIG) if necessary?. And Mario: you know I use 
gvSIG; but my colleagues are studying all alternatives so as to arrive at the 
best solution (not necessarily with only one software)

Best,


Sergio Acosta y Lara
Departamento de Geomática
Dirección Nacional de Topografía
Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas
URUGUAY
(598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330
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De: Discuss  en nombre de Mario Carrera 

Enviado: jueves, 23 de julio de 2020 4:11
Para: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Asunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G for cartography production


Hi Sergio,

have you tried with advanced labelling on gvSIG? You can access to "Labels 
defined by user" and at "Placement" button you can select how you want to show 
the labels (Orientation, Location, Duplicates...). Here you have the Labelling 
options at the manual:
- Spanish: 
http://downloads.gvsig.org/download/web/es/build/html/user_manual/2.3/manual/018.html
- English: 
http://downloads.gvsig.org/download/web/en/build/html/user_manual/2.3/manual/018.html

Placement options are shown at the end of the web page.

Best regards,
  Mario


El 22/7/20 a las 18:04, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA escribió:

Hi. Where I work we need to find an open alternative to ArcGIS in order to 
produce maps for printing. We were trying with QGIS but we have problems with 
labeling linear elements. Is there anyone in the list that has experience with 
preparing maps for printing with open source software? Does anybody know what 
is the best FOSS4G for doing this? Tutorials?

Thanks,


Sergio Acosta y Lara
Departamento de Geomática
Dirección Nacional de Topografía
Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas
URUGUAY
(598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330
http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G for cartography production

2020-07-23 Thread Mario Carrera 


Hi Sergio,

have you tried with advanced labelling on gvSIG? You can access to 
"Labels defined by user" and at "Placement" button you can select how 
you want to show the labels (Orientation, Location, Duplicates...). Here 
you have the Labelling options at the manual:
- Spanish: 
http://downloads.gvsig.org/download/web/es/build/html/user_manual/2.3/manual/018.html 

- English: 
http://downloads.gvsig.org/download/web/en/build/html/user_manual/2.3/manual/018.html 



Placement options are shown at the end of the web page.

Best regards,
  Mario


El 22/7/20 a las 18:04, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA escribió:


Hi. Where I work we need to find an open alternative to ArcGIS in 
order to produce maps for printing. We were trying with QGIS but we 
have problems with labeling linear elements. Is there anyone in the 
list that has experience with preparing maps for printing with open 
source software? Does anybody know what is the best FOSS4G for doing 
this? Tutorials?


Thanks,


Sergio Acosta y Lara
Departamento de Geomática
Dirección Nacional de Topografía
Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas
URUGUAY
(598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330
http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/

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públicas, serán tratados bajo la responsabilidad de la /Asociación gvSIG 
/para el envío de comunicaciones sobre nuestros productos y servicios y 
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