Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members
I proposed to prepare Google forms for that in other thread. Could have IMHO more valuable output ? J Send from cellphone -- Jachym Cepicky e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com URL: http://les-ejk.cz GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp Give your code freedom with PyWPS -http://pywps.wald.intevation.org On Sep 19, 2014 3:38 AM, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote: I'll volunteer to start a wiki collating options for the FOSS4G future, with sections that people can add comments into. I should have something up for review and contributions within 24 hours. On 18/09/2014 7:04 PM, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote: Dear All I agree completely with Margherita. The most of people are asking themselves what it is happening. Please who was and is involved, please write the history of what has happened on a wiki page. When the plot is finalised the charter members vote. Maria Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano Public Participation GIS: a FOSS architecture enabling field-data collection http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnibF ISPRS WG IV/5 Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications - Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - SIFET Scientific Commitee Member Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALIA) Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321 e-mail1: maria.brove...@polimi.itmaria.brove...@polimi.it e-mail2: prorettr...@como.polimi.it -- *Da:* discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org per conto di Margherita Di Leo direg...@gmail.com direg...@gmail.com *Inviato:* giovedì 18 settembre 2014 10.13 *A:* Jachym Cepicky *Cc:* discuss@lists.osgeo.org discuss@lists.osgeo.org; conference; osgeo-board List; Steven Feldman *Oggetto:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members Dear All, On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good. If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position. If anyone is wondering why most charter members remained silent about the topic, here i can offer my 2 cents.. It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all the elements needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally followed the steps, to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. Another thing is that, for those that couldn't make it at FOSS4G, it is (I believe) not easy to understand on what exactly the community of charter members is being called to express their opinion. What does it mean to cooperate and what does it imply for the organizations involved? Is it a case by case cooperation what you're talking about? why it looks like is the FOSS4G event at stake here? Thanks for any pointers -- Best regards, Dr. Margherita DI LEO Scientific / technical project officer European Commission - DG JRC Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES) Via Fermi, 2749 I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP 261 Tel. +39 0332 78 3600 margherita.di-...@jrc.ec.europa.eu Disclaimer: The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission. ___ Discuss mailing listDiscuss@lists.osgeo.orghttp://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter, Software and Data Solutions Manager LISAsoft Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members
Hey Jachym, wasn’t Cameron referring specifically to what options we have to “professionalize” FOSS4G organising? And you were talking more about OSGeo’s goals etc. ? Also, I think it makes sense to create some content in a Wiki first, and use that content to create a questionnaire. It’s hard to create a good questionnaire from scratch if the solutions haven’t been discussed in detail and worked on by multiple people IMHO. Best regards, Bart On 19 Sep 2014, at 08:02, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: I proposed to prepare Google forms for that in other thread. Could have IMHO more valuable output ? J Send from cellphone -- Jachym Cepicky e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com URL: http://les-ejk.cz GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp Give your code freedom with PyWPS -http://pywps.wald.intevation.org On Sep 19, 2014 3:38 AM, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote: I'll volunteer to start a wiki collating options for the FOSS4G future, with sections that people can add comments into. I should have something up for review and contributions within 24 hours. On 18/09/2014 7:04 PM, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote: Dear All I agree completely with Margherita. The most of people are asking themselves what it is happening. Please who was and is involved, please write the history of what has happened on a wiki page. When the plot is finalised the charter members vote. Maria Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano Public Participation GIS: a FOSS architecture enabling field-data collection http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnibF ISPRS WG IV/5 Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications - Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - SIFET Scientific Commitee Member Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALIA) Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321 e-mail1: maria.brove...@polimi.it e-mail2: prorettr...@como.polimi.it Da: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org per conto di Margherita Di Leo direg...@gmail.com Inviato: giovedì 18 settembre 2014 10.13 A: Jachym Cepicky Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; conference; osgeo-board List; Steven Feldman Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members Dear All, On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good. If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position. If anyone is wondering why most charter members remained silent about the topic, here i can offer my 2 cents.. It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all the elements needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally followed the steps, to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. Another thing is that, for those that couldn't make it at FOSS4G, it is (I believe) not easy to understand on what exactly the community of charter members is being called to express their opinion. What does it mean to cooperate and what does it imply for the organizations involved? Is it a case by case cooperation what you're talking about? why it looks like is the FOSS4G event at stake here? Thanks for any pointers -- Best regards, Dr. Margherita DI LEO Scientific / technical project officer European Commission - DG JRC Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES) Via Fermi, 2749 I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP 261 Tel. +39 0332 78 3600 margherita.di-...@jrc.ec.europa.eu Disclaimer: The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter, Software and Data Solutions Manager LISAsoft Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members
I would agree on that, to start in the wiki. But think, if we want to get some input from the charter members, it should be more active and structured effort - therefore I propose continue then with google forms Another question: of course, I'm talking about goals and OSGeo future, but FOSS4G is one of OSGeo's most important event, it has some functions, can be decide who it should be organised without knowing, what we want to do? J 2014-09-19 8:32 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl: Hey Jachym, wasn't Cameron referring specifically to what options we have to professionalize FOSS4G organising? And you were talking more about OSGeo's goals etc. ? Also, I think it makes sense to create some content in a Wiki first, and use that content to create a questionnaire. It's hard to create a good questionnaire from scratch if the solutions haven't been discussed in detail and worked on by multiple people IMHO. Best regards, Bart On 19 Sep 2014, at 08:02, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: I proposed to prepare Google forms for that in other thread. Could have IMHO more valuable output ? J Send from cellphone -- Jachym Cepicky e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com URL: http://les-ejk.cz GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp Give your code freedom with PyWPS -http://pywps.wald.intevation.org On Sep 19, 2014 3:38 AM, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote: I'll volunteer to start a wiki collating options for the FOSS4G future, with sections that people can add comments into. I should have something up for review and contributions within 24 hours. On 18/09/2014 7:04 PM, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote: Dear All I agree completely with Margherita. The most of people are asking themselves what it is happening. Please who was and is involved, please write the history of what has happened on a wiki page. When the plot is finalised the charter members vote. Maria Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano Public Participation GIS: a FOSS architecture enabling field-data collection http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnibF ISPRS WG IV/5 Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications - Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - SIFET Scientific Commitee Member Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALIA) Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321 e-mail1: maria.brove...@polimi.it e-mail2: prorettr...@como.polimi.it Da: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org per conto di Margherita Di Leo direg...@gmail.com Inviato: giovedì 18 settembre 2014 10.13 A: Jachym Cepicky Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; conference; osgeo-board List; Steven Feldman Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members Dear All, On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good. If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position. If anyone is wondering why most charter members remained silent about the topic, here i can offer my 2 cents.. It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all the elements needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally followed the steps, to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. Another thing is that, for those that couldn't make it at FOSS4G, it is (I believe) not easy to understand on what exactly the community of charter members is being called to express their opinion. What does it mean to cooperate and what does it imply for the organizations involved? Is it a case by case cooperation what you're talking about? why it looks like is the FOSS4G event at stake here? Thanks for any pointers -- Best regards, Dr. Margherita DI LEO Scientific / technical project officer European Commission - DG JRC Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES) Via Fermi, 2749 I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP 261 Tel. +39 0332 78 3600 margherita.di-...@jrc.ec.europa.eu Disclaimer: The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official position
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members
2014 10.13 A: Jachym Cepicky Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; conference; osgeo-board List; Steven Feldman Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members Dear All, On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good. If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position. If anyone is wondering why most charter members remained silent about the topic, here i can offer my 2 cents.. It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all the elements needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally followed the steps, to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. Another thing is that, for those that couldn't make it at FOSS4G, it is (I believe) not easy to understand on what exactly the community of charter members is being called to express their opinion. What does it mean to cooperate and what does it imply for the organizations involved? Is it a case by case cooperation what you're talking about? why it looks like is the FOSS4G event at stake here? Thanks for any pointers -- Best regards, Dr. Margherita DI LEO Scientific / technical project officer European Commission - DG JRC Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES) Via Fermi, 2749 I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP 261 Tel. +39 0332 78 3600 margherita.di-...@jrc.ec.europa.eu Disclaimer: The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter, Software and Data Solutions Manager LISAsoft Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jachym Cepicky e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com URL: http://les-ejk.cz GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp Give your code freedom with PyWPS - http://pywps.wald.intevation.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- *Massimiliano Cannata* Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica Responsabile settore Geomatica Istituto scienze della Terra Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14 Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09 massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch *www.supsi.ch/ist http://www.supsi.ch/ist* ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members
Am I the only person who finds it difficult to follow a thread in a mailing list where postings get repeated continuously as the thread is replied to (let alone our tendency to post across several lists - mea culpa)? Dare I suggest that we seek a simpler and clearer forum for this discussion? I’m not suggesting abandoning the lists just using a better tool for a discussion in which we want to engage a lot of people. __ Steven On 19 Sep 2014, at 02:37, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote: I would agree on that, to start in the wiki. But think, if we want to get some input from the charter members, it should be more active and structured effort - therefore I propose continue then with google forms Another question: of course, I'm talking about goals and OSGeo future, but FOSS4G is one of OSGeo's most important event, it has some functions, can be decide who it should be organised without knowing, what we want to do? J 2014-09-19 8:32 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl: Hey Jachym, wasn't Cameron referring specifically to what options we have to professionalize FOSS4G organising? And you were talking more about OSGeo's goals etc. ? Also, I think it makes sense to create some content in a Wiki first, and use that content to create a questionnaire. It's hard to create a good questionnaire from scratch if the solutions haven't been discussed in detail and worked on by multiple people IMHO. Best regards, Bart On 19 Sep 2014, at 08:02, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: I proposed to prepare Google forms for that in other thread. Could have IMHO more valuable output ? J Send from cellphone -- Jachym Cepicky e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com URL: http://les-ejk.cz GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp Give your code freedom with PyWPS -http://pywps.wald.intevation.org On Sep 19, 2014 3:38 AM, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote: I'll volunteer to start a wiki collating options for the FOSS4G future, with sections that people can add comments into. I should have something up for review and contributions within 24 hours. On 18/09/2014 7:04 PM, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote: Dear All I agree completely with Margherita. The most of people are asking themselves what it is happening. Please who was and is involved, please write the history of what has happened on a wiki page. When the plot is finalised the charter members vote. Maria Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano Public Participation GIS: a FOSS architecture enabling field-data collection http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnibF ISPRS WG IV/5 Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications - Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - SIFET Scientific Commitee Member Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALIA) Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321 e-mail1: maria.brove...@polimi.it e-mail2: prorettr...@como.polimi.it Da: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org per conto di Margherita Di Leo direg...@gmail.com Inviato: giovedì 18 settembre 2014 10.13 A: Jachym Cepicky Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; conference; osgeo-board List; Steven Feldman Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members Dear All, On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good. If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position. If anyone is wondering why most charter members remained silent about the topic, here i can offer my 2 cents.. It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all the elements needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally followed the steps, to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. Another thing is that, for those that couldn't make it at FOSS4G, it is (I believe) not easy to understand on what exactly the community of charter members is being called to express their opinion. What does it mean to cooperate and what does it imply for the organizations involved
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members
Ok, first draft of wiki page is here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Options_2014 Please feel free to improve the text, or insert your comments / votes. On 19/09/2014 6:14 pm, Steven Feldman wrote: Am I the only person who finds it difficult to follow a thread in a mailing list where postings get repeated continuously as the thread is replied to (let alone our tendency to post across several lists - mea culpa)? Dare I suggest that we seek a simpler and clearer forum for this discussion? I’m not suggesting abandoning the lists just using a better tool for a discussion in which we want to engage a lot of people. __ Steven On 19 Sep 2014, at 02:37, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote: I would agree on that, to start in the wiki. But think, if we want to get some input from the charter members, it should be more active and structured effort - therefore I propose continue then with google forms Another question: of course, I'm talking about goals and OSGeo future, but FOSS4G is one of OSGeo's most important event, it has some functions, can be decide who it should be organised without knowing, what we want to do? J 2014-09-19 8:32 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl mailto:bart...@osgis.nl: Hey Jachym, wasn't Cameron referring specifically to what options we have to professionalize FOSS4G organising? And you were talking more about OSGeo's goals etc. ? Also, I think it makes sense to create some content in a Wiki first, and use that content to create a questionnaire. It's hard to create a good questionnaire from scratch if the solutions haven't been discussed in detail and worked on by multiple people IMHO. Best regards, Bart On 19 Sep 2014, at 08:02, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: I proposed to prepare Google forms for that in other thread. Could have IMHO more valuable output ? J Send from cellphone -- Jachym Cepicky e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com URL: http://les-ejk.cz GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp Give your code freedom with PyWPS -http://pywps.wald.intevation.org On Sep 19, 2014 3:38 AM, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote: I'll volunteer to start a wiki collating options for the FOSS4G future, with sections that people can add comments into. I should have something up for review and contributions within 24 hours. On 18/09/2014 7:04 PM, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote: Dear All I agree completely with Margherita. The most of people are asking themselves what it is happening. Please who was and is involved, please write the history of what has happened on a wiki page. When the plot is finalised the charter members vote. Maria Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano Public Participation GIS: a FOSS architecture enabling field-data collection http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnibF ISPRS WG IV/5 Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications - Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - SIFET Scientific Commitee Member Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALIA) Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321 e-mail1: maria.brove...@polimi.it e-mail2: prorettr...@como.polimi.it Da: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org per conto di Margherita Di Leo direg...@gmail.com Inviato: giovedì 18 settembre 2014 10.13 A: Jachym Cepicky Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; conference; osgeo-board List; Steven Feldman Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members Dear All, On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good. If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position. If anyone is wondering why most charter members remained silent about the topic, here i can offer my 2 cents.. It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all the elements needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally followed the steps, to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. Another thing is that, for those that couldn't make
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members
Thanks Cameron, this really helps! I made a small adjustment so that all suggested option now have there advantages listed first, followed by their disadvantages. Makes it a bit more neutral. Personally I would leave out the voting sections in this stage (comments are OK). Just listing the options, advantages disadvantages seems enough for now. By the time the're sort of complete, the votes may enter the stage. (just a thought, I kept the votings in the wiki page anyway) regards, Gert-Jan Van: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] Namens Cameron Shorter Verzonden: vrijdag 19 september 2014 14:43 Aan: Steven Feldman CC: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; conference; OSGeo-Board Onderwerp: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members Ok, first draft of wiki page is here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Options_2014 Please feel free to improve the text, or insert your comments / votes. On 19/09/2014 6:14 pm, Steven Feldman wrote: Am I the only person who finds it difficult to follow a thread in a mailing list where postings get repeated continuously as the thread is replied to (let alone our tendency to post across several lists - mea culpa)? Dare I suggest that we seek a simpler and clearer forum for this discussion? Im not suggesting abandoning the lists just using a better tool for a discussion in which we want to engage a lot of people. __ Steven On 19 Sep 2014, at 02:37, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote: I would agree on that, to start in the wiki. But think, if we want to get some input from the charter members, it should be more active and structured effort - therefore I propose continue then with google forms Another question: of course, I'm talking about goals and OSGeo future, but FOSS4G is one of OSGeo's most important event, it has some functions, can be decide who it should be organised without knowing, what we want to do? J 2014-09-19 8:32 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl: Hey Jachym, wasn't Cameron referring specifically to what options we have to professionalize FOSS4G organising? And you were talking more about OSGeo's goals etc. ? Also, I think it makes sense to create some content in a Wiki first, and use that content to create a questionnaire. It's hard to create a good questionnaire from scratch if the solutions haven't been discussed in detail and worked on by multiple people IMHO. Best regards, Bart On 19 Sep 2014, at 08:02, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: I proposed to prepare Google forms for that in other thread. Could have IMHO more valuable output ? J Send from cellphone -- Jachym Cepicky e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com URL: http://les-ejk.cz GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp Give your code freedom with PyWPS -http://pywps.wald.intevation.org On Sep 19, 2014 3:38 AM, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote: I'll volunteer to start a wiki collating options for the FOSS4G future, with sections that people can add comments into. I should have something up for review and contributions within 24 hours. On 18/09/2014 7:04 PM, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote: Dear All I agree completely with Margherita. The most of people are asking themselves what it is happening. Please who was and is involved, please write the history of what has happened on a wiki page. When the plot is finalised the charter members vote. Maria Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano Public Participation GIS: a FOSS architecture enabling field-data collection http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnib F ISPRS WG IV/5 Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications - Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - SIFET Scientific Commitee Member Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALIA) Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321 e-mail1: maria.brove...@polimi.it e-mail2: prorettr...@como.polimi.it Da: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org per conto di Margherita Di Leo mailto:direg...@gmail.com direg...@gmail.com Inviato: giovedì 18 settembre 2014 10.13 A: Jachym Cepicky Cc: mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org discuss@lists.osgeo.org; conference; osgeo-board List; Steven Feldman Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members Dear All, On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G
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Dear All, On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good. If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position. If anyone is wondering why most charter members remained silent about the topic, here i can offer my 2 cents.. It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all the elements needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally followed the steps, to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. Another thing is that, for those that couldn't make it at FOSS4G, it is (I believe) not easy to understand on what exactly the community of charter members is being called to express their opinion. What does it mean to cooperate and what does it imply for the organizations involved? Is it a case by case cooperation what you're talking about? why it looks like is the FOSS4G event at stake here? Thanks for any pointers -- Best regards, Dr. Margherita DI LEO Scientific / technical project officer European Commission - DG JRC Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES) Via Fermi, 2749 I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP 261 Tel. +39 0332 78 3600 margherita.di-...@jrc.ec.europa.eu Disclaimer: The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Dear All I agree completely with Margherita. The most of people are asking themselves what it is happening. Please who was and is involved, please write the history of what has happened on a wiki page. When the plot is finalised the charter members vote. Maria Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano Public Participation GIS: a FOSS architecture enabling field-data collection http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnibF ISPRS WG IV/5 Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications - Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - SIFET Scientific Commitee Member Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALIA) Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321 e-mail1: mailto:maria.brove...@polimi.it maria.brove...@polimi.itmailto:maria.brove...@polimi.it e-mail2: prorettr...@como.polimi.itmailto:prorettr...@como.polimi.it Da: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org per conto di Margherita Di Leo direg...@gmail.com Inviato: giovedì 18 settembre 2014 10.13 A: Jachym Cepicky Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; conference; osgeo-board List; Steven Feldman Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members Dear All, On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.commailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good. If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position. If anyone is wondering why most charter members remained silent about the topic, here i can offer my 2 cents.. It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all the elements needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally followed the steps, to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. Another thing is that, for those that couldn't make it at FOSS4G, it is (I believe) not easy to understand on what exactly the community of charter members is being called to express their opinion. What does it mean to cooperate and what does it imply for the organizations involved? Is it a case by case cooperation what you're talking about? why it looks like is the FOSS4G event at stake here? Thanks for any pointers -- Best regards, Dr. Margherita DI LEO Scientific / technical project officer European Commission - DG JRC Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES) Via Fermi, 2749 I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP 261 Tel. +39 0332 78 3600 margherita.di-...@jrc.ec.europa.eumailto:margherita.di-...@jrc.ec.europa.eu Disclaimer: The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'll volunteer to start a wiki collating options for the FOSS4G future, with sections that people can add comments into. I should have something up for review and contributions within 24 hours. On 18/09/2014 7:04 PM, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote: Dear All I agree completely with Margherita. The most of people are asking themselves what it is happening. Please who was and is involved, please write the history of what has happened on a wiki page. When the plot is finalised the charter members vote. Maria Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano Public Participation GIS: a FOSS architecture enabling field-data collection http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnibF ISPRS WG IV/5 Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications - Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - SIFET Scientific Commitee Member Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALIA) Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob.+39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321 e-mail1: mailto:maria.brove...@polimi.itmaria.brove...@polimi.it mailto:maria.brove...@polimi.it e-mail2:prorettr...@como.polimi.it mailto:prorettr...@como.polimi.it *Da:* discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org per conto di Margherita Di Leo direg...@gmail.com *Inviato:* giovedì 18 settembre 2014 10.13 *A:* Jachym Cepicky *Cc:* discuss@lists.osgeo.org; conference; osgeo-board List; Steven Feldman *Oggetto:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members Dear All, On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good. If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position. If anyone is wondering why most charter members remained silent about the topic, here i can offer my 2 cents.. It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all the elements needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally followed the steps, to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. Another thing is that, for those that couldn't make it at FOSS4G, it is (I believe) not easy to understand on what exactly the community of charter members is being called to express their opinion. What does it mean to cooperate and what does it imply for the organizations involved? Is it a case by case cooperation what you're talking about? why it looks like is the FOSS4G event at stake here? Thanks for any pointers -- Best regards, Dr. Margherita DI LEO Scientific / technical project officer European Commission - DG JRC Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES) Via Fermi, 2749 I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP 261 Tel. +39 0332 78 3600 margherita.di-...@jrc.ec.europa.eu mailto:margherita.di-...@jrc.ec.europa.eu Disclaimer: The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter, Software and Data Solutions Manager LISAsoft Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
