Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API
We have also trying to set up some collaborations between the projects (but such unfunded work is of course very hard to set up). Have a look at the GeoTools documentation; and if you have any questions the user list is open for action. - http://geotools.org/documentation.html - http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTDOC/Home You may also find the formal workbooks used for FOSS4G to be of interest: - http://geotoolsnews.blogspot.com/2009/11/foss4g-geotools-tutorials.html From my standpoint both projects have an LGPL license, slightly different development models and tend to really like their standards. Jody On 12/02/2010, at 12:16 PM, Frans Thamura wrote: i still have a gap in my mind about how to make a program for both :0 i will play around with both first, and will reply shortly F On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Stefan Steiniger sst...@geo.uzh.ch wrote: Hei Frans, could you outline in more detail what you are aiming to do? I.e. what the students (after training) and the software (to be programmed) should be able to do? If it is about web mapping then you may consider a whole different range of FOSS4GIS. stefan Frans Thamura wrote: thx for the nice reply . i have work with our goverment spatial division, teaching java, and they are 100% blank in development, this is a transformation program from a division to create map become a services entity - www.bakosutranal.go.id i am also teaching highschool develop apps on Java, and we success create web java programmer in architectural mode, and they will get schoolarship to university, mostly they are poor and smart, and several dont have computer, and several never visit Jakarta (they families never visit Jakarta).. my idea to help them to the level that they can provide solution. Landon, ur reply sound that using Geotools API will harder for them? is that right? i am still working for both to find the best one hope my reply can link our problem. we have human resource and bad education program in this country, so may be our student different with people outside this country F On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Landon Blake lbl...@ksninc.com wrote: Frans, I will try to provide an intelligent answer to your question based on my own experience. Here is my observation of the main difference between Deegree and Geotools: Degree seems to be a more closely knit group of developers, coming from just a couple of organizations, while Geotools draws developers from all over the place. This has some different implications for users of the libraries and for developers. I find the Deegree API is often easier to use but not as well documented. The Geotools API is better documented but much more complicated. I think this extra complication in Geotools stems from its efforts to please such a diverse group. I have contributed a single unsupported module to Geotools. This process wasn't too burdensome, and I found a couple of the programmers in Geotools were a delight to work with. I also learned a lot from my very limited work on Geotools. I typically work on code that plugs into a single program, and participation in Geotools requires you to write code that can be used in all sorts of programs. You need a different type of thinking to do that. The programmers from Deegree were also very responsive on their mailing list. Deegree uses a feature model somewhat similar to JUMP's. I find the Geotools feature model is very hard to learn and work with. I hope that helps. Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Frans Thamura Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:30 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API hi all anyone can share the difference between Deegree vs GeoTools API thx -- Frans Thamura Meruvian. Experiential Tempation of Java and Enterprise OpenSource Meruvian jTechnopreneur Program (S1) telah hadir, Dapatkan benefit bagi SMK yang melakukan mapping SKKD, dg program beasiswa dari Gunadarma Mobile: +6287885901958 Blog Profile: http://frans.thamura.info We provide services to migrate your apps to Java (web), in amazing fast and reliable. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote: hi all anyone can share the difference between Deegree vs GeoTools API Deegree is a WMS/WFS/WCS(?) server and GeoTools is a Java library for building geospatial apps. Ian -- Ian Turton ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API
Frans, I will try to provide an intelligent answer to your question based on my own experience. Here is my observation of the main difference between Deegree and Geotools: Degree seems to be a more closely knit group of developers, coming from just a couple of organizations, while Geotools draws developers from all over the place. This has some different implications for users of the libraries and for developers. I find the Deegree API is often easier to use but not as well documented. The Geotools API is better documented but much more complicated. I think this extra complication in Geotools stems from its efforts to please such a diverse group. I have contributed a single unsupported module to Geotools. This process wasn't too burdensome, and I found a couple of the programmers in Geotools were a delight to work with. I also learned a lot from my very limited work on Geotools. I typically work on code that plugs into a single program, and participation in Geotools requires you to write code that can be used in all sorts of programs. You need a different type of thinking to do that. The programmers from Deegree were also very responsive on their mailing list. Deegree uses a feature model somewhat similar to JUMP's. I find the Geotools feature model is very hard to learn and work with. I hope that helps. Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Frans Thamura Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:30 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API hi all anyone can share the difference between Deegree vs GeoTools API thx -- Frans Thamura Meruvian. Experiential Tempation of Java and Enterprise OpenSource Meruvian jTechnopreneur Program (S1) telah hadir, Dapatkan benefit bagi SMK yang melakukan mapping SKKD, dg program beasiswa dari Gunadarma Mobile: +6287885901958 Blog Profile: http://frans.thamura.info We provide services to migrate your apps to Java (web), in amazing fast and reliable. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API
thx for the nice reply . i have work with our goverment spatial division, teaching java, and they are 100% blank in development, this is a transformation program from a division to create map become a services entity - www.bakosutranal.go.id i am also teaching highschool develop apps on Java, and we success create web java programmer in architectural mode, and they will get schoolarship to university, mostly they are poor and smart, and several dont have computer, and several never visit Jakarta (they families never visit Jakarta).. my idea to help them to the level that they can provide solution. Landon, ur reply sound that using Geotools API will harder for them? is that right? i am still working for both to find the best one hope my reply can link our problem. we have human resource and bad education program in this country, so may be our student different with people outside this country F On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Landon Blake lbl...@ksninc.com wrote: Frans, I will try to provide an intelligent answer to your question based on my own experience. Here is my observation of the main difference between Deegree and Geotools: Degree seems to be a more closely knit group of developers, coming from just a couple of organizations, while Geotools draws developers from all over the place. This has some different implications for users of the libraries and for developers. I find the Deegree API is often easier to use but not as well documented. The Geotools API is better documented but much more complicated. I think this extra complication in Geotools stems from its efforts to please such a diverse group. I have contributed a single unsupported module to Geotools. This process wasn't too burdensome, and I found a couple of the programmers in Geotools were a delight to work with. I also learned a lot from my very limited work on Geotools. I typically work on code that plugs into a single program, and participation in Geotools requires you to write code that can be used in all sorts of programs. You need a different type of thinking to do that. The programmers from Deegree were also very responsive on their mailing list. Deegree uses a feature model somewhat similar to JUMP's. I find the Geotools feature model is very hard to learn and work with. I hope that helps. Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Frans Thamura Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:30 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API hi all anyone can share the difference between Deegree vs GeoTools API thx -- Frans Thamura Meruvian. Experiential Tempation of Java and Enterprise OpenSource Meruvian jTechnopreneur Program (S1) telah hadir, Dapatkan benefit bagi SMK yang melakukan mapping SKKD, dg program beasiswa dari Gunadarma Mobile: +6287885901958 Blog Profile: http://frans.thamura.info We provide services to migrate your apps to Java (web), in amazing fast and reliable. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API
Hei Frans, could you outline in more detail what you are aiming to do? I.e. what the students (after training) and the software (to be programmed) should be able to do? If it is about web mapping then you may consider a whole different range of FOSS4GIS. stefan Frans Thamura wrote: thx for the nice reply . i have work with our goverment spatial division, teaching java, and they are 100% blank in development, this is a transformation program from a division to create map become a services entity - www.bakosutranal.go.id i am also teaching highschool develop apps on Java, and we success create web java programmer in architectural mode, and they will get schoolarship to university, mostly they are poor and smart, and several dont have computer, and several never visit Jakarta (they families never visit Jakarta).. my idea to help them to the level that they can provide solution. Landon, ur reply sound that using Geotools API will harder for them? is that right? i am still working for both to find the best one hope my reply can link our problem. we have human resource and bad education program in this country, so may be our student different with people outside this country F On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Landon Blake lbl...@ksninc.com wrote: Frans, I will try to provide an intelligent answer to your question based on my own experience. Here is my observation of the main difference between Deegree and Geotools: Degree seems to be a more closely knit group of developers, coming from just a couple of organizations, while Geotools draws developers from all over the place. This has some different implications for users of the libraries and for developers. I find the Deegree API is often easier to use but not as well documented. The Geotools API is better documented but much more complicated. I think this extra complication in Geotools stems from its efforts to please such a diverse group. I have contributed a single unsupported module to Geotools. This process wasn't too burdensome, and I found a couple of the programmers in Geotools were a delight to work with. I also learned a lot from my very limited work on Geotools. I typically work on code that plugs into a single program, and participation in Geotools requires you to write code that can be used in all sorts of programs. You need a different type of thinking to do that. The programmers from Deegree were also very responsive on their mailing list. Deegree uses a feature model somewhat similar to JUMP's. I find the Geotools feature model is very hard to learn and work with. I hope that helps. Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Frans Thamura Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:30 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API hi all anyone can share the difference between Deegree vs GeoTools API thx -- Frans Thamura Meruvian. Experiential Tempation of Java and Enterprise OpenSource Meruvian jTechnopreneur Program (S1) telah hadir, Dapatkan benefit bagi SMK yang melakukan mapping SKKD, dg program beasiswa dari Gunadarma Mobile: +6287885901958 Blog Profile: http://frans.thamura.info We provide services to migrate your apps to Java (web), in amazing fast and reliable. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API
i still have a gap in my mind about how to make a program for both :0 i will play around with both first, and will reply shortly F On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Stefan Steiniger sst...@geo.uzh.ch wrote: Hei Frans, could you outline in more detail what you are aiming to do? I.e. what the students (after training) and the software (to be programmed) should be able to do? If it is about web mapping then you may consider a whole different range of FOSS4GIS. stefan Frans Thamura wrote: thx for the nice reply . i have work with our goverment spatial division, teaching java, and they are 100% blank in development, this is a transformation program from a division to create map become a services entity - www.bakosutranal.go.id i am also teaching highschool develop apps on Java, and we success create web java programmer in architectural mode, and they will get schoolarship to university, mostly they are poor and smart, and several dont have computer, and several never visit Jakarta (they families never visit Jakarta).. my idea to help them to the level that they can provide solution. Landon, ur reply sound that using Geotools API will harder for them? is that right? i am still working for both to find the best one hope my reply can link our problem. we have human resource and bad education program in this country, so may be our student different with people outside this country F On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Landon Blake lbl...@ksninc.com wrote: Frans, I will try to provide an intelligent answer to your question based on my own experience. Here is my observation of the main difference between Deegree and Geotools: Degree seems to be a more closely knit group of developers, coming from just a couple of organizations, while Geotools draws developers from all over the place. This has some different implications for users of the libraries and for developers. I find the Deegree API is often easier to use but not as well documented. The Geotools API is better documented but much more complicated. I think this extra complication in Geotools stems from its efforts to please such a diverse group. I have contributed a single unsupported module to Geotools. This process wasn't too burdensome, and I found a couple of the programmers in Geotools were a delight to work with. I also learned a lot from my very limited work on Geotools. I typically work on code that plugs into a single program, and participation in Geotools requires you to write code that can be used in all sorts of programs. You need a different type of thinking to do that. The programmers from Deegree were also very responsive on their mailing list. Deegree uses a feature model somewhat similar to JUMP's. I find the Geotools feature model is very hard to learn and work with. I hope that helps. Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Frans Thamura Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:30 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Degree vs GeoTools API hi all anyone can share the difference between Deegree vs GeoTools API thx -- Frans Thamura Meruvian. Experiential Tempation of Java and Enterprise OpenSource Meruvian jTechnopreneur Program (S1) telah hadir, Dapatkan benefit bagi SMK yang melakukan mapping SKKD, dg program beasiswa dari Gunadarma Mobile: +6287885901958 Blog Profile: http://frans.thamura.info We provide services to migrate your apps to Java (web), in amazing fast and reliable. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
