Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Future perspectives for OSGeo
On 05/02/2012 08:32 PM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Il 02/05/2012 19:04, Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) ha scritto: We see new opportunities by starting joint activities with the Eclipse foundation - which is in the process of spawning activities explicitly focused on geospatial. They have lots of high level contacts but lack a noteworthy community. This is where we in turn did exceptionally well, we are perceived as *the* global voice for open source geospatial. Hi Arnulf. Thanks for your thoughts and work. As everybody knows, the free GIS community is unfortunately split, more or less deeply, in two tribes (C/C++ and Java). I must admit I do not know the Eclipse community very well, so my words could be inappropriate, but given the presumably strong tie between Eclipse and Java, I am slightly worried that the move you propose would make OSGeo perceived as more Java-inclined. Being the global voice, as you pointed out, is OSGeo strength, and should not be missed. Come on, we're split in much more ways that just C++ and Java. I'm in a not very visible (and degrowing?) tribe called Perl hackers (I don't say anything about Python users) and split between Windows (dot spatial what?) and Linux tribes. Now again more in the Linux tribe thanks to virtual machine technology. But rather than issues that separate us I think there are more of those uniting us. Also, technologies (Standards, Swig, porting, multilingual virtual machines, standards, ...) for overcoming the moats should be supported and used. I think talking to other FOSS organizations and foundations is a very welcome idea. Kudos to those who made the connection to Eclipse. Cheers, Ari ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Future perspectives for OSGeo
Thanks for your thoughts and work. As everybody knows, the free GIS community is unfortunately split, more or less deeply, in two tribes (C/C++ and Java). I advocate the OSGeo foundation a model of how to get different tribes to collaborate. Admittedly we have a couple key advantages. A shared passion for seeing the world and communicating the wonders around us; open source as an enabler, and a few standards to lean on to keep to conversation pointed in the right direction. Jody___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Future perspectives for OSGeo
Folks, the OSGeo board of directors has been working hard on finding ways forward in those areas where we do not perform well. These are especially on the business side of things. Our annual revenue has come down considerably in the last years and we seem to lack high level contacts to global players. Without the single sponsor Autodesk we honestly wouldn't be where we are now but they have considerably reduced their focused on geospatial. We see new opportunities by starting joint activities with the Eclipse foundation - which is in the process of spawning activities explicitly focused on geospatial. They have lots of high level contacts but lack a noteworthy community. This is where we in turn did exceptionally well, we are perceived as *the* global voice for open source geospatial. In between the community and business work (if we take them as extremes) is a long range of things we did well and not so well and obviously everybody will have their own opinion. If you are interested in learning more about what the board is thinking and want to share your ideas I suggest you subscribe to the board list and become active there. (Please refrain from telling us you must be doing this and that but reckon that whatever will happen does so because you also commit to actually doing it). Once we come to a more coherent point of view we will again share it with this discussion list but for now would like to keep it at the strategically interested level of things, just as open as all in OSGeo - but not cluttering the Discuss list. The board will start to post a few threads in the next days summarizing the thoughts shared so far. Best regards, Arnulf -- The Open Source Geospatial Foundation Arnulf Christl, President http://www.osgeo.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Future perspectives for OSGeo
Il 02/05/2012 19:04, Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) ha scritto: We see new opportunities by starting joint activities with the Eclipse foundation - which is in the process of spawning activities explicitly focused on geospatial. They have lots of high level contacts but lack a noteworthy community. This is where we in turn did exceptionally well, we are perceived as *the* global voice for open source geospatial. Hi Arnulf. Thanks for your thoughts and work. As everybody knows, the free GIS community is unfortunately split, more or less deeply, in two tribes (C/C++ and Java). I must admit I do not know the Eclipse community very well, so my words could be inappropriate, but given the presumably strong tie between Eclipse and Java, I am slightly worried that the move you propose would make OSGeo perceived as more Java-inclined. Being the global voice, as you pointed out, is OSGeo strength, and should not be missed. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini See: http://www.faunalia.it/pc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Future perspectives for OSGeo
On 5/2/2012 1:32 PM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Il 02/05/2012 19:04, Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) ha scritto: We see new opportunities by starting joint activities with the Eclipse foundation - which is in the process of spawning activities explicitly focused on geospatial. They have lots of high level contacts but lack a noteworthy community. This is where we in turn did exceptionally well, we are perceived as *the* global voice for open source geospatial. Hi Arnulf. Thanks for your thoughts and work. As everybody knows, the free GIS community is unfortunately split, more or less deeply, in two tribes (C/C++ and Java). I must admit I do not know the Eclipse community very well, so my words could be inappropriate, but given the presumably strong tie between Eclipse and Java, I am slightly worried that the move you propose would make OSGeo perceived as more Java-inclined. Being the global voice, as you pointed out, is OSGeo strength, and should not be missed. All the best. Paolo, You make a very good point that we should not sway to far from being the global voice. And to that end and the success of OSGeo, we need to be inclusive. Working with a partner like Eclipse is fine, we should not turn it down, but likewise we need to find other partners to be successful. I have been in too many corporation where they had a few very large customers and very bad things happened if they lost one of these customers because of the level of dependence on it. We need broad-based support and relationships. I would rather have 100 customers supporting use at $100/year than one customer giving us $10,000/year. Change the numbers to fit the business model but I think you get the idea. It would/is very hard to replace the support we are getting from AutoDesk. Both models have their problems, but it all starts with signing up clients one at a time. All the best, -Steve W ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Future perspectives for OSGeo
Thank you for starting this discussion Arnulf. I suspect there are going to be some people here that are extremely familiar with Eclipse, and others not at all. For this reason I felt it would be a good idea to share a little information. Eclipse is an ecosystem of organizations and open source technology projects. The organizations and projects @ Eclipse have symbiotic relationships creating an elegant balance which benefits both. There are currently over two hundred projects at Eclipse and a similar number of member organizations. The organizations are all sorts of shapes and sizes. There's roughly a thousand committers from all around the world. There are many things that make this ecosystem interesting. One especially notable one is seeing organizations collaborate around open source projects and compete in the marketplace. The governance model at Eclipse is designed to create a level playing field between large small and has done so successfully for a number of years now. The value for members has meant valuable support for projects which is great. There foundation has 15 staff membershttp://www.eclipse.org/org/foundation/staff.phpincluding myself covering accounting, legal, IT, marketing, business development, event planning, release engineering, administrative support for projects, and many other functions. This doesn't mean volunteers don't have a significant role and influence. Many great initiatives such as our push to git, gerrit, hudson, etc. have been driven by the community and then maintained as well managed services by staff. There's a lot of Java projects at Eclipse given the history of how it got started. In more recent times projects have joined/are joining implemented in all sorts of languages and aimed at a variety of different industries. The Orion http://www.eclipse.org/orion/ web IDE, based on Javascript is a really cool example. For what it's worth, the Eclipse Foundation is vendor neutral and welcoming to projects implemented in any language, just like OSGeo, which is what you'd expect. Trying not to overload with too much information, the Location industry working group http://wiki.eclipse.org/Location is forming and closely related to this. It has some great people organizations involved already if you'd like to check it out. Many of us are involved with both OSGeo the industry working group and want to see good things happen. It's early enough and the model is such that those that are interested can get involved and help shape it. Best regards, Andrew (andrew dot ross at eclipse dot org = my other email) On 2 May 2012 13:04, Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) arn...@osgeo.org wrote: Folks, the OSGeo board of directors has been working hard on finding ways forward in those areas where we do not perform well. These are especially on the business side of things. Our annual revenue has come down considerably in the last years and we seem to lack high level contacts to global players. Without the single sponsor Autodesk we honestly wouldn't be where we are now but they have considerably reduced their focused on geospatial. We see new opportunities by starting joint activities with the Eclipse foundation - which is in the process of spawning activities explicitly focused on geospatial. They have lots of high level contacts but lack a noteworthy community. This is where we in turn did exceptionally well, we are perceived as *the* global voice for open source geospatial. In between the community and business work (if we take them as extremes) is a long range of things we did well and not so well and obviously everybody will have their own opinion. If you are interested in learning more about what the board is thinking and want to share your ideas I suggest you subscribe to the board list and become active there. (Please refrain from telling us you must be doing this and that but reckon that whatever will happen does so because you also commit to actually doing it). Once we come to a more coherent point of view we will again share it with this discussion list but for now would like to keep it at the strategically interested level of things, just as open as all in OSGeo - but not cluttering the Discuss list. The board will start to post a few threads in the next days summarizing the thoughts shared so far. Best regards, Arnulf -- The Open Source Geospatial Foundation Arnulf Christl, President http://www.osgeo.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
