Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Inputs invited for "The need for National level strategy for Open Principles in Geospatial" - please email your inputs/ideas by 10th June 2016

2016-06-06 Thread Suchith Anand 


Dear all,

This is a reminder for  those unable to attend this session in person but are 
interested to contribute your ideas for  "The need for National level strategy 
for Open Principles in Geospatial" to please email me your ideas by 10th June 
2016.

I am also interested in inputs and ideas from colleagues for the vision for 
establishing a National Centre for Open Government with expertise in Open 
Technologies and Open Data to build best practices in open source geospatial 
implementations and share ideas . "Geo for All" has started from nothing and we 
are experts in establishing new research centres/research labs , new scientific 
journals  and creating new ideas for new disciplines from nothing :-) . So 
looking forward to seeing many of you at FOSS4G UK 2016 Southampton soon for 
productive meetings and discussion to expand our ideas for the future.

Best wishes,

Suchith


From: Anand Suchith
Sent: 29 May 2016 2:26 PM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Inputs invited for "The need for National level strategy for Open 
Principles in Geospatial"

Dear colleagues,

May i request that those who are unable to attend this session in person for 
the discussion session on "The need for National level strategy for Open 
Principles in Geospatial" [1] at the Ordnance Survey on 15th June 2016 but 
interested to contribute to the discussions to email me your ideas/suggestions 
before 10th June 2016. I will summarize the suggestions recieved at the meeting 
and also to the wider community by email (after the meeting).

I am especially interested in casestudies from central and local governments in 
the UK for this. I would like to thank Jonathan Moules for sharing excellent 
information on Warwickshire County Council's GIS example. It helped me think 
more ideas for the future and why it is important that central/local 
governments should look at the big picture and long term view (and join forces 
and efforts) for mechanisms to support excellent staff in GIS teams at local 
government  . Warwickshire County Council by adopting an open-source solution 
for the council’s internal web GIS has inaddition to immediate cost savings has 
also got the longer-term benefit of having a sustainable web GIS that the 
council has control over. The big challenge for all local authorities and 
government organisations is to reduce their licence and maintenance costs 
whilst increasing their user base . Warwickshire County Council example of 
thinking ahead is an inspiration and i thank all colleagues there who worked 
for this.

Details at 
https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/case-studies/warwickshire-county-council-new-web-gis.html

It is important that local councils and government organisations across UK to 
expand upon these ideas from the good practice examples already implemented. 
There might be resistance from some properitary GIS vendors for this initiative 
as the cost savings for UK government and taxpayers in the long term might 
affect thier sales plans for the future.

There should be a vision to establish a National Centre for Open Government 
with expertise in Open Technologies and Open Data to build best practices in 
open source geospatial implementations and share ideas . There needs to be 
support and training facilities available for the local GIS departments who are 
migrating to Open Source GIS solutions. Investing in people is important. 
Scalability (without worring about exponential increases in licensing costs) 
will also be a important factor in cost savings and efficiencies. We already 
have dedicated Open Source Geospatial Labs in key research universities in the 
UK who can provide the expertise needed.

I am interested in knowing information on the following:

1. How much (roughly) is the UK government (central/local government etc) 
spending in buying properitery GIS licences for the last 10 years (2005-2015)? 
Is there any plans for on savings target for the next 10 years ?

2. How many SMEs and jobs have been created in the UK through the creation of  
Open Geo ecosystem in the last 5 years (open source geospatial software and 
open data)?

3. What are the important steps needed for accelerating Open Innovation in 
location based technologies for expanding the Digital economy opportunities for 
the future.

It is important that we have an action plan for National level strategy for 
Open Principles in Geospatial and i am looking forward to your active 
contributions and support.

Best wishes,

Suchith

Dr. Suchith Anand
http://www.geoforall.org/

Geo for All - Building and expanding Open Geospatial Science

[1] 
http://opensourcegeospatial.icaci.org/2016/05/inputs-invited-for-the-need-for-national-level-strategy-for-open-principles-in-geospatial/




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Inputs invited for "The need for National level strategy for Open Principles in Geospatial"

2016-05-31 Thread Barry Rowlingson 
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Jonathan Moules
 wrote:
> Hi Suchith,
>
>
> "1. How much (roughly) is the UK government (central/local government etc)
> spending in buying properitery GIS licences for the last 10 years
> (2005-2015)? Is there any plans for on savings target for the next 10 years
> ?"

> Otherwise I guess it'd be trawling through:
> https://data.gov.uk/data/openspending-report/index (maybe get a student to
> do some scraping?)
>
> Local government is harder without asking each authority individually and/or
> finding their pages then scraping them. Open Data doesn't mean Easy Data.

OpenSpending has some nice interfaces to government spending
worldwide, and you can obviously put in the name of your favourite
proprietary GIS company to see what, for example, London spent on
them:

https://openspending.org/gb-local-gla/entries?q=esri

The entire "Software Maintenance" section for London is downloadable:

https://openspending.org/gb-local-gla/expenditure-account/536510/entries#expenditure-account:536510

Barry
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Inputs invited for "The need for National level strategy for Open Principles in Geospatial"

2016-05-31 Thread Jonathan Moules 
Hi Suchith,


"1. How much (roughly) is the UK government (central/local government etc) 
spending in buying properitery GIS licences for the last 10 years (2005-2015)? 
Is there any plans for on savings target for the next 10 years ?"

I'd suggest at least for central government the solution might be to simply ask 
by way of an FOI request. I'd guess the "Crown Commercial Service" (just 
guessing it's them) - They can be asked easily through here:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/crown_commercial_service

Otherwise I guess it'd be trawling through: 
https://data.gov.uk/data/openspending-report/index (maybe get a student to do 
some scraping?)

Local government is harder without asking each authority individually and/or 
finding their pages then scraping them. Open Data doesn't mean Easy Data. :-/
Cheers,
Jonathan

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