Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.

2013-09-12 Thread Newcomb, Doug
You don't have to wait for a year or more to have access to a
bugfix/enhancement of the software, you can try it right away and influence
the resolution of the problem.
You can influence the direction the software roadmap takes by funding
contributions, paying for support, reporting bugs, and registering desired
features with the project.


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:

  Hi All,

 I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open
 Source Software is a good bet for businesses.

 Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is
 intended as an informational handout.

 I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to
 these.  I'll go off and look some on Google

 Thanks in advance.

 

 Here are some benefits that Open Source software gives you.

- You are not prohibited from using Commercial Software in the mix.
- The act of using OpenSource software in general is also promoting
the Open-Data concept as well as Open-Standards.
- You are not requiring other potential business partners to use
Commercial Software in order to use your services and get at your data in
an unfettered manner, nor to serve their data to you.  Interoperability is
considerably enhanced.  The big commerical packages offer these
capabilities as well, but beware of special situations and process
additions that still bind your process to a commercial package.
- The bigger picture view is that OpenSource should be thought of as a
method for keeping business operations open and inter-operable across
boundaries and jurisdictions.  And to be thought of as a business best
practice.  It's not about going 100% OpenSource, even though you can if you
want to, but to provide a system and mechanisms that work for both
proprietary and open technologies.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.

2013-09-12 Thread María Arias de Reyna
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:

  Hi All,

 I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open
 Source Software is a good bet for businesses.

 Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is
 intended as an informational handout.

 I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to
 these.  I'll go off and look some on Google

 Thanks in advance.



Hi,

Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
And don't use open, use free:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html



 

 Here are some benefits that Open Source software gives you.

- You are not prohibited from using Commercial Software in the mix.
- The act of using OpenSource software in general is also promoting
the Open-Data concept as well as Open-Standards.
- You are not requiring other potential business partners to use
Commercial Software in order to use your services and get at your data in
an unfettered manner, nor to serve their data to you.  Interoperability is
considerably enhanced.  The big commerical packages offer these
capabilities as well, but beware of special situations and process
additions that still bind your process to a commercial package.
- The bigger picture view is that OpenSource should be thought of as a
method for keeping business operations open and inter-operable across
boundaries and jurisdictions.  And to be thought of as a business best
practice.  It's not about going 100% OpenSource, even though you can if you
want to, but to provide a system and mechanisms that work for both
proprietary and open technologies.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.

2013-09-12 Thread Barry Rowlingson
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM, María Arias de Reyna
delawen+os...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
 bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:

 Hi All,

 I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open
 Source Software is a good bet for businesses.

 Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is
 intended as an informational handout.

 I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to
 these.  I'll go off and look some on Google

 Thanks in advance.



 Hi,

 Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints:
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
 And don't use open, use free:
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

 And don't say 'commercial', say 'proprietary' (if that's what you
mean). I'm surprised Arnulf hasn't already jumped in on that point!

 Free and open source software can be commercial.

Barry
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.

2013-09-12 Thread Arnie Shore
You're not dependent on the vendor's business plans, which are
determined mostly by their marketing people.

AS

On 9/12/13, Newcomb, Doug doug_newc...@fws.gov wrote:
 You don't have to wait for a year or more to have access to a
 bugfix/enhancement of the software, you can try it right away and influence
 the resolution of the problem.
 You can influence the direction the software roadmap takes by funding
 contributions, paying for support, reporting bugs, and registering desired
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.

2013-09-12 Thread Arnulf Christl
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On 09/12/2013 02:43 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM, María Arias de Reyna 
 delawen+os...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
 bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for
 why Open Source Software is a good bet for businesses.
 
 Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated.
 This is intended as an informational handout.
 
 I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks
 to add to these.  I'll go off and look some on Google
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some
 hints: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html And don't
 use open, use free: 
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

 
 And don't say 'commercial', say 'proprietary' (if that's what you 
 mean). I'm surprised Arnulf hasn't already jumped in on that
 point!
 
 Free and open source software can be commercial.
 
 Barry

Haha, busy preparing my presentation Introduction to Open Source for
FOSS4G. Plus I had the hope that at some point the message would get
across and be picked up by others, and - Voila - it worked. :-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.

2013-09-12 Thread Markus Neteler
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Barry Rowlingson
b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM, María Arias de Reyna
...
 Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints:
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
 And don't use open, use free:
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

  And don't say 'commercial', say 'proprietary' (if that's what you
 mean). I'm surprised Arnulf hasn't already jumped in on that point!

  Free and open source software can be commercial.

Yes:
http://gis.cri.fmach.it/don-t-oppose-free-software-and-commercial-software/

And more scientifically:

Rocchini, D., Neteler, M., 2012. Let the four freedoms paradigm apply
to ecology. Trends in Ecology  Evolution 27, 310–311.
http://tinyurl.com/tree-four-freedoms

Markus
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.

2013-09-12 Thread Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Hi Barry,

Point taken.  But proprietary was harder (for me) to spell  :c)

I do see the difference though.

Bobb



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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open 
Source is good.

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM, María Arias de Reyna delawen+os...@gmail.com 
wrote:



 On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
 bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:

 Hi All,

 I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open 
 Source Software is a good bet for businesses.

 Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is 
 intended as an informational handout.

 I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add 
 to these.  I'll go off and look some on Google

 Thanks in advance.



 Hi,

 Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints:
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
 And don't use open, use free:
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

 And don't say 'commercial', say 'proprietary' (if that's what you mean). I'm 
surprised Arnulf hasn't already jumped in on that point!

 Free and open source software can be commercial.

Barry


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.

2013-09-12 Thread Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Maria,

Hmm, interesting reading. Thanks for the links.

So, would  you think saying FOSS is better as a general label?  I'l looking at 
all this from a sales angle for my specific need.   A lot of folks have heard 
of Open Source for example, but I'm not sure how many might be able to 
distinguish the difference with Free and Open Source . . .  that being said, 
I don't have a problem labeling things as FOSS

Bobb



From: dela...@gmail.com [mailto:dela...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of María Arias de 
Reyna
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open 
Source is good.



On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
Hi All,

I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open Source 
Software is a good bet for businesses.

Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is intended as 
an informational handout.

I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to these. 
 I'll go off and look some on Google

Thanks in advance.


Hi,

Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints: 
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
And don't use open, use free: 
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html




Here are some benefits that Open Source software gives you.
·  You are not prohibited from using Commercial Software in the mix.
·  The act of using OpenSource software in general is also promoting the 
Open-Data concept as well as Open-Standards.
·  You are not requiring other potential business partners to use Commercial 
Software in order to use your services and get at your data in an unfettered 
manner, nor to serve their data to you.  Interoperability is considerably 
enhanced.  The big commerical packages offer these capabilities as well, but 
beware of special situations and process additions that still bind your process 
to a commercial package.
·  The bigger picture view is that OpenSource should be thought of as a method 
for keeping business operations open and inter-operable across boundaries and 
jurisdictions.  And to be thought of as a business best practice.  It's not 
about going 100% OpenSource, even though you can if you want to, but to provide 
a system and mechanisms that work for both proprietary and open technologies.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.

2013-09-11 Thread Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Hi All,

I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open Source 
Software is a good bet for businesses.

Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is intended as 
an informational handout.

I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to these. 
 I'll go off and look some on Google

Thanks in advance.



Here are some benefits that Open Source software gives you.

  *   You are not prohibited from using Commercial Software in the mix.
  *   The act of using OpenSource software in general is also promoting the 
Open-Data concept as well as Open-Standards.
  *   You are not requiring other potential business partners to use Commercial 
Software in order to use your services and get at your data in an unfettered 
manner, nor to serve their data to you.  Interoperability is considerably 
enhanced.  The big commerical packages offer these capabilities as well, but 
beware of special situations and process additions that still bind your process 
to a commercial package.
  *   The bigger picture view is that OpenSource should be thought of as a 
method for keeping business operations open and inter-operable across 
boundaries and jurisdictions.  And to be thought of as a business best 
practice.  It's not about going 100% OpenSource, even though you can if you 
want to, but to provide a system and mechanisms that work for both proprietary 
and open technologies.
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