Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-03 Thread Randal Hale 
Massimiliano - I have no doubt you are sending the emails for the right 
reason - BUT - to do this only 40 days out and call for a vote from the 
OSGEO board is disheartening. It is for me - This should have been a 
discussion for post-Boston - Not now. At least do it off channel with 
Michael and Guido before calling for a vote. For me to see this 
discussion start this close to the conference made me sigh - this is my 
first FOSS4G international conference and I am beyond excited and want 
all to be. Your original email  cast a cloud (though not intentional) 
over the work that Boston has done.


It is not unheard of for a organization that owns the conference to be a 
sponsor (at least here in the US). The longest running conference I 
attend - Georgia URISA   - does this every year. Not only do we fund it 
- we also pay for a booth because of paperwork. It's is important for 
Advertising purposes. It is important for us to interface to the 
attendees. It is important for us to share our story.


I wished the OSGEO presence at the North America conference was as 
strong as what is being shown at Boston. OSGEO has a great story to tell 
- take every opportunity you can to spread the good word be it as a 
sponsor, owner, or person with a sign discussing climate change.


I wish all of you a great FOSS4G 2017 conference.

Randy



On 07/03/2017 09:58 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

Hi Guido,
I don't understand why you are frustrated and disheartened by this 
conversation.

We're not discussing on climate changes :-D

To All of you,
(i swear it is my last mail in the tread - maybe -)

My point of view is very simple: OSGeo is not a sponsor of the event, 
is the "owner" which selected you great team and proposal for 
organizing the conference. Thus is not correct list OSGeo in the 
sponsor list.
Try to open this link: http://2017.foss4g.org/sponsor/ and honestly 
tell me if you understand OSGeo is the host, or do you get the 
impression it is just one of the 20 sponsors?


Since this fact has been part of discussions in the past, I believe it 
is very important to be underlined and communicated to avoid 
misunderstanding, also for the future FOSS4G conferences.
I believe that details and communication are important (otherwise, for 
example why spend time  and money in marketing and site re-branding?).


And it has nothing to do with the great work you are doing in bringing 
another wonderful foss4g (big big thanks). These are small (but not 
negligible) details..


I just requested the board to take a position on this, without 
entering in details of when, what and why it happened.
Then I will be happy whatever is the decision and will go on on doing 
my contribution and work for OSGeo ;-)



Ciao,
Maxi

2017-07-03 14:29 GMT+02:00 Ian Turton >:


I have to disagree here, to me it is clear that OSGeo is
presenting ("owns") the conference while by listing the
contributions the OSGeo provides (seed money etc) formally on the
Sponsors' page/list it makes it clear just how much money (and
time) the OSGeo is putting it into the event.

By formally listing as a sponsor it probably makes it easier to
handle things like remembering to allocate booth space, passes etc
as it is already on the spreadsheet when those tasks are carried out.

Ian

On 2 July 2017 at 09:22, Massimiliano Cannata
> wrote:

Dear community and board members,
Today I found out that OSGeo is a a SPONSOR of the FOSS4G-2017
Boston conference.

This is disappointing me !

At least for two reasons:

1- foss4g is the OSGeo's conference, so OSGeo is the host not
a guest (have you ever seen AGU sponsoring it's annual event?)

2- OSGeo is already providing seed and risk exposure money so
it shouldn't need to pay for get exposure or being listed in
the sponsor page.

So, as an OSGeo charter member, I formally ask the board to
remove OSGeo from the sponsor list !

Regards
Maxi

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-03 Thread Massimiliano Cannata 
Hi Guido,
I don't understand why you are frustrated and disheartened by this
conversation.
We're not discussing on climate changes :-D

To All of you,
(i swear it is my last mail in the tread - maybe -)

My point of view is very simple: OSGeo is not a sponsor of the event, is
the "owner" which selected you great team and proposal for organizing the
conference. Thus is not correct list OSGeo in the sponsor list.
Try to open this link: http://2017.foss4g.org/sponsor/ and honestly tell me
if you understand OSGeo is the host, or do you get the impression it is
just one of the 20 sponsors?

Since this fact has been part of discussions in the past, I believe it is
very important to be underlined and communicated to avoid misunderstanding,
also for the future FOSS4G conferences.
I believe that details and communication are important (otherwise, for
example why spend time  and money in marketing and site re-branding?).

And it has nothing to do with the great work you are doing in bringing
another wonderful foss4g (big big thanks). These are small (but not
negligible) details..

I just requested the board to take a position on this, without entering in
details of when, what and why it happened.
Then I will be happy whatever is the decision and will go on on doing my
contribution and work for OSGeo ;-)


Ciao,
Maxi

2017-07-03 14:29 GMT+02:00 Ian Turton :

> I have to disagree here, to me it is clear that OSGeo is presenting
> ("owns") the conference while by listing the contributions the OSGeo
> provides (seed money etc) formally on the Sponsors' page/list it makes it
> clear just how much money (and time) the OSGeo is putting it into the
> event.
>
> By formally listing as a sponsor it probably makes it easier to handle
> things like remembering to allocate booth space, passes etc as it is
> already on the spreadsheet when those tasks are carried out.
>
> Ian
>
> On 2 July 2017 at 09:22, Massimiliano Cannata <
> massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:
>
>> Dear community and board members,
>> Today I found out that OSGeo is a a SPONSOR of the FOSS4G-2017 Boston
>> conference.
>>
>> This is disappointing me !
>>
>> At least for two reasons:
>>
>> 1- foss4g is the OSGeo's conference, so OSGeo is the host not a guest
>> (have you ever seen AGU sponsoring it's annual event?)
>>
>> 2- OSGeo is already providing seed and risk exposure money so it
>> shouldn't need to pay for get exposure or being listed in the sponsor page.
>>
>> So, as an OSGeo charter member, I formally ask the board to remove OSGeo
>> from the sponsor list !
>>
>> Regards
>> Maxi
>>
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>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
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>>
>
>
>
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>



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Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-03 Thread Ian Turton 
I have to disagree here, to me it is clear that OSGeo is presenting
("owns") the conference while by listing the contributions the OSGeo
provides (seed money etc) formally on the Sponsors' page/list it makes it
clear just how much money (and time) the OSGeo is putting it into the
event.

By formally listing as a sponsor it probably makes it easier to handle
things like remembering to allocate booth space, passes etc as it is
already on the spreadsheet when those tasks are carried out.

Ian

On 2 July 2017 at 09:22, Massimiliano Cannata  wrote:

> Dear community and board members,
> Today I found out that OSGeo is a a SPONSOR of the FOSS4G-2017 Boston
> conference.
>
> This is disappointing me !
>
> At least for two reasons:
>
> 1- foss4g is the OSGeo's conference, so OSGeo is the host not a guest
> (have you ever seen AGU sponsoring it's annual event?)
>
> 2- OSGeo is already providing seed and risk exposure money so it shouldn't
> need to pay for get exposure or being listed in the sponsor page.
>
> So, as an OSGeo charter member, I formally ask the board to remove OSGeo
> from the sponsor list !
>
> Regards
> Maxi
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-02 Thread Astrid Emde (OSGeo) 

Hi all,

I agree with Maxi.

In 2016 we had the OSGeo logo on the FOSS4G webside with

hosted by OSGeo

See http://2016.foss4g.org/home.html

That would be better.

Astrid

Am 2017-07-02 10:22, schrieb Massimiliano Cannata:

Dear community and board members,
Today I found out that OSGeo is a a SPONSOR of the FOSS4G-2017 Boston
conference.

This is disappointing me !

At least for two reasons:

1- foss4g is the OSGeo's conference, so OSGeo is the host not a guest
(have you ever seen AGU sponsoring it's annual event?)

2- OSGeo is already providing seed and risk exposure money so it
shouldn't need to pay for get exposure or being listed in the sponsor
page.

So, as an OSGeo charter member, I formally ask the board to remove
OSGeo from the sponsor list !

Regards
Maxi
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-02 Thread Kari Salovaara 
+1


Massimiliano Cannata kirjoitti 2.7.2017 klo 11:22:
> Dear community and board members,
> Today I found out that OSGeo is a a SPONSOR of the FOSS4G-2017 Boston
> conference.
>
> This is disappointing me !
>
> At least for two reasons:
>
> 1- foss4g is the OSGeo's conference, so OSGeo is the host not a guest
> (have you ever seen AGU sponsoring it's annual event?)
>
> 2- OSGeo is already providing seed and risk exposure money so it
> shouldn't need to pay for get exposure or being listed in the sponsor
> page.
>
> So, as an OSGeo charter member, I formally ask the board to remove
> OSGeo from the sponsor list !
>
> Regards
> Maxi
>
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

2017-07-02 Thread Massimiliano Cannata 
Dear community and board members,
Today I found out that OSGeo is a a SPONSOR of the FOSS4G-2017 Boston
conference.

This is disappointing me !

At least for two reasons:

1- foss4g is the OSGeo's conference, so OSGeo is the host not a guest (have
you ever seen AGU sponsoring it's annual event?)

2- OSGeo is already providing seed and risk exposure money so it shouldn't
need to pay for get exposure or being listed in the sponsor page.

So, as an OSGeo charter member, I formally ask the board to remove OSGeo
from the sponsor list !

Regards
Maxi
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