Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Possible CS-W Portal Opportunity
All, Thank you for your responses and insights. I'll try to provide some more context - we have recently completed a new development effort that builds on open source software. Specifically, the UI platform is built on Liferay (http://www.liferay.com/) with PrimeFaces and jQuery, we're using the Open Identity Stack for ICAM/IdAM (http://forgerock.com/products/open-identity-stack/), Postgres for the DB, and Apache CXF for REST/SOAP web service interfaces (in addition to GeoNetwork's services). The system is being transitioned to an operational partner and has been funded by The Department of Homeland Security Science and Technology Directorate (DHS ST). There may be an opportunity to completely open source the system, which would require some additional development to fully support the CS-W interface. Based upon the responses I've received so far (thanks again), it seems like there may be some interest, but I think DHS ST may need a stronger expression of interest from OSGeo to move forward. If there's interest, I could try to schedule a webex meeting to show the system. Thanks, Paul -- Paul Breimyer, Ph.D. Technical Staff, Surveillance Systems MIT Lincoln Laboratory (781) 981-0923 (work) (781) 879-8675 (cell) mailto:pbreim...@ll.mit.edu paul.breim...@ll.mit.edu From: Brent Wood [mailto:pcr...@pcreso.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:58 PM To: Breimyer, Paul - 0442 - MITLL Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Possible CS-W Portal Opportunity Hi Paul, Similar situations have occurred before - The Bluenet MEST fork created an alternative version of Geonetwork, with some extra capabilities to meet specific needs. Development was kept (largely) consistent with trunk Geonetwork, and was later merged back into Geonetwork trunk, IMHO, creating a product with the best of both. The Bluenet MEST developers are still major contributors to Geonetwork (Thanks Simon!). Assuming Geonetwork does provide a useful foundation to build on to meet your needs, I urge you so look for common ground pool resources to improve the existing tool. Only consider developing a new application if this first approach is not viable. I have also come across another situation which may be relevant. While evaluating options for such catalogues, both Geonetwork CKAN (both Open Source) were considered. Geonetwork was found to have better interoperability harvesting capability, while CKAN had front-end capabilities that were desirable. One possible solution that went a long way to meeting requirements was to use both - Geonetwork as the harvesting/aggregating tool for a CKAN based catalogue. I don't know if such a combination would be suitable in your case, but figured it was worth mentioning. I also suggest you ask your question on the Geonetwork developers list (https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-devel) if you have not already done so. OSGEO generally adopts already widely used tools rather than supporting new developments, see the incubator page for information - http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/index.html. I note that Jeroen Ticheler, the original developer of Geonetwork is a member of the OSGEO incubation committee, it may be worth discussing your situation directly with him. Cheers, Brent Wood _ On 2/3/14, Breimyer, Paul - 0442 - MITLL paul.breim...@ll.mit.edu wrote: My name is Paul Breimyer and I work for MIT Lincoln Laboratory, a government research lab (FFRDC). We are building what is effectively a secure CS-W portal interface for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). I'm writing to see if OSGeo might be interested in the portal if it were open sourced appropriately. As part of this work we reviewed GeoNetwork: the backend services were well implemented, but we found the portal to be lacking capabilities that were necessary (at least for our use cases). There may be an opportunity to enhance the GeoNetwork portal to facilitate broader adoption of the CS-W standard. Please let me know if there's interest to learn more. Thanks, Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Possible CS-W Portal Opportunity
Hi Paul, Similar situations have occurred before - The Bluenet MEST fork created an alternative version of Geonetwork, with some extra capabilities to meet specific needs. Development was kept (largely) consistent with trunk Geonetwork, and was later merged back into Geonetwork trunk, IMHO, creating a product with the best of both. The Bluenet MEST developers are still major contributors to Geonetwork (Thanks Simon!). Assuming Geonetwork does provide a useful foundation to build on to meet your needs, I urge you so look for common ground pool resources to improve the existing tool. Only consider developing a new application if this first approach is not viable. I have also come across another situation which may be relevant. While evaluating options for such catalogues, both Geonetwork CKAN (both Open Source) were considered. Geonetwork was found to have better interoperability harvesting capability, while CKAN had front-end capabilities that were desirable. One possible solution that went a long way to meeting requirements was to use both - Geonetwork as the harvesting/aggregating tool for a CKAN based catalogue. I don't know if such a combination would be suitable in your case, but figured it was worth mentioning. I also suggest you ask your question on the Geonetwork developers list (https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geonetwork-devel) if you have not already done so. OSGEO generally adopts already widely used tools rather than supporting new developments, see the incubator page for information - http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/index.html. I note that Jeroen Ticheler, the original developer of Geonetwork is a member of the OSGEO incubation committee, it may be worth discussing your situation directly with him. Cheers, Brent Wood On 2/3/14, Breimyer, Paul - 0442 - MITLL paul.breim...@ll.mit.edu wrote: My name is Paul Breimyer and I work for MIT Lincoln Laboratory, a government research lab (FFRDC). We are building what is effectively a secure CS-W portal interface for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). I'm writing to see if OSGeo might be interested in the portal if it were open sourced appropriately. As part of this work we reviewed GeoNetwork: the backend services were well implemented, but we found the portal to be lacking capabilities that were necessary (at least for our use cases). There may be an opportunity to enhance the GeoNetwork portal to facilitate broader adoption of the CS-W standard. Please let me know if there's interest to learn more. Thanks, Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Possible CS-W Portal Opportunity
My name is Paul Breimyer and I work for MIT Lincoln Laboratory, a government research lab (FFRDC). We are building what is effectively a secure CS-W portal interface for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). I'm writing to see if OSGeo might be interested in the portal if it were open sourced appropriately. As part of this work we reviewed GeoNetwork: the backend services were well implemented, but we found the portal to be lacking capabilities that were necessary (at least for our use cases). There may be an opportunity to enhance the GeoNetwork portal to facilitate broader adoption of the CS-W standard. Please let me know if there's interest to learn more. Thanks, Paul -- Paul Breimyer, Ph.D. Technical Staff, Surveillance Systems MIT Lincoln Laboratory (781) 981-0923 (work) (781) 879-8675 (cell) mailto:pbreim...@ll.mit.edu paul.breim...@ll.mit.edu smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Possible CS-W Portal Opportunity
Paul, pls keep us current on LL's activities on this. My interest is in possible uses by local gov't public safety agencies. (FYI, I've worked with some LL people back in the late 50's during the Whirlwind/SAGE days.) AS On 2/3/14, Breimyer, Paul - 0442 - MITLL paul.breim...@ll.mit.edu wrote: My name is Paul Breimyer and I work for MIT Lincoln Laboratory, a government research lab (FFRDC). We are building what is effectively a secure CS-W portal interface for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). I'm writing to see if OSGeo might be interested in the portal if it were open sourced appropriately. As part of this work we reviewed GeoNetwork: the backend services were well implemented, but we found the portal to be lacking capabilities that were necessary (at least for our use cases). There may be an opportunity to enhance the GeoNetwork portal to facilitate broader adoption of the CS-W standard. Please let me know if there's interest to learn more. Thanks, Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Possible CS-W Portal Opportunity
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Breimyer, Paul - 0442 - MITLL paul.breim...@ll.mit.edu wrote: My name is Paul Breimyer and I work for MIT Lincoln Laboratory, a government research lab (FFRDC). We are building what is effectively a secure CS-W portal interface for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). I'm writing to see if OSGeo might be interested in the portal if it were open sourced appropriately. As part of this work we reviewed GeoNetwork: the backend services were well implemented, but we found the portal to be lacking capabilities that were necessary (at least for our use cases). There may be an opportunity to enhance the GeoNetwork portal to facilitate broader adoption of the CS-W standard. Please let me know if there's interest to learn more. Hi Paul, As geoNetwork developer, I assure you we are pretty interested in any enhancement we can merge in geoNetwork. Do you think it may be possible to tell us more about this? Right now we have identified some things to solve (mostly spatially operations related), but an external point of view is always welcome. There is a developers mailing list for geoNetwork: geonetwork-de...@lists.sourceforge.net, if you think you are going to be too technical for a more general mailing list like this one. Thanks, Paul -- Paul Breimyer, Ph.D. Technical Staff, Surveillance Systems MIT Lincoln Laboratory (781) 981-0923 (work) (781) 879-8675 (cell) paul.breim...@ll.mit.edu ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Possible CS-W Portal Opportunity
Paul, I would be very interested in whatever enhancements that you are working on for Geonetwork. I'm on the metadata subcommittee, http://www.ncgicc.com/Default.aspx?tabid=901, for the North Carolina Geographic Information Coordinating Council and we are looking for methods/software to make metadata easier to create and maintain for Local and State government entities in North Carolina .We looked at Geonetwork and had similar concerns ( specifically in the area of ISO 19115-1 support). Please let me know what you can share about this work. Doug On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Breimyer, Paul - 0442 - MITLL paul.breim...@ll.mit.edu wrote: My name is Paul Breimyer and I work for MIT Lincoln Laboratory, a government research lab (FFRDC). We are building what is effectively a secure CS-W portal interface for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). I'm writing to see if OSGeo might be interested in the portal if it were open sourced appropriately. As part of this work we reviewed GeoNetwork: the backend services were well implemented, but we found the portal to be lacking capabilities that were necessary (at least for our use cases). There may be an opportunity to enhance the GeoNetwork portal to facilitate broader adoption of the CS-W standard. Please let me know if there's interest to learn more. Thanks, Paul -- Paul Breimyer, Ph.D. Technical Staff, Surveillance Systems MIT Lincoln Laboratory (781) 981-0923 (work) (781) 879-8675 (cell) paul.breim...@ll.mit.edu pbreim...@ll.mit.edu ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Doug Newcomb USFWS Raleigh, NC 919-856-4520 ext. 14 doug_newc...@fws.gov - The opinions I express are my own and are not representative of the official policy of the U.S.Fish and Wildlife Service or Dept. of the Interior. Life is too short for undocumented, proprietary data formats. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Possible CS-W Portal Opportunity
Hi Paul, On OSGeo-Live, we also package pycsw, which might also be worth evaluating: http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/pycsw_overview.html I'd suggest that extending an existing project is usually better long term than starting a new project and splitting sponsors/developers between two projects. On 4/02/2014 1:48 AM, Breimyer, Paul - 0442 - MITLL wrote: My name is Paul Breimyer and I work for MIT Lincoln Laboratory, a government research lab (FFRDC). We are building what is effectively a secure CS-W portal interface for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). I'm writing to see if OSGeo might be interested in the portal if it were open sourced appropriately. As part of this work we reviewed GeoNetwork: the backend services were well implemented, but we found the portal to be lacking capabilities that were necessary (at least for our use cases). There may be an opportunity to enhance the GeoNetwork portal to facilitate broader adoption of the CS-W standard. Please let me know if there's interest to learn more. Thanks, Paul -- Paul Breimyer, Ph.D. Technical Staff, Surveillance Systems MIT Lincoln Laboratory (781) 981-0923 (work) (781) 879-8675 (cell) paul.breim...@ll.mit.edu mailto:pbreim...@ll.mit.edu ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter, Software and Data Solutions Manager LISAsoft Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
