Re: [slim] Squeezebox direct connect to PC
1. Yes of course all Ethernet stuff can be connected point to point. If you also want it have internet access via the PC you should turn on "internet sharing" or whats it's called on windows (if thats what you are using ). Fixed IP adresses would also be it, i figure that a "normal" win PC does not have any DHCP server built in. for the DNS settings in the SB3 I would use the one provided by my ISP. As again i supose the destop OS don't have a DNS server. 2. Search forum I don't remember just now, also depending on your lan card some are auto sensing auto adjusting ? I think. -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66008 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rebuffering is ruining the Squeezebox experience
All, We seem to have a number of users who are experiencing buffer under-runs with 7.3.3, and in circumstances where wireless interference could be ruled out. I have experienced problems, but traced it to network issues, which I subsequently fixed by moving to 802.11n in the 5GHz UN-II band. (I added an Apple Airport Express for each Squeezebox in the system). Others, however, see problems in what should be very robust wireless networks or even in wired networks. We know that the problem seems not to occur with "old streaming" vs. the "new streaming" introduced after 7.2.1. But we also have evidence that the bug will be very hard to reproduce on demand to allow decent investigation. Is that enough data to open a Bugzilla bug report? -- dsdreamer -- "Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you..." dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65719 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SkweezyDs-like hooks for Foobar or Mediamonkey
Any ideas? Is there such a thing: A bridging software that allows PC Media players (such as mediaMonkey, Foobar) to emulate Squeezebox, such that SqueezeCenter can control these devices. -- agentsmith System 1: Transporter+Hi-Line RCA-DIN, Naim 202/200/Hicap+Powerline/NAPSC, Naim NAT03 tuner, CD5X, Harbeth Monitor 30 System 2: SB2 or Airport Express connected via TOSLINK to a Meridian F80 Headphone: Naim Headline+NAPSC and ancient Senn HD580 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65806 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox direct connect to PC
Basic questions: 1. Can the SB2 or SB3 be connected straight to a PC LAN port? 2. Will I need a cross cable? thanks -- agentsmith System 1: Transporter+Hi-Line RCA-DIN, Naim 202/200/Hicap+Powerline/NAPSC, Naim NAT03 tuner, CD5X, Harbeth Monitor 30 System 2: SB2 or Airport Express connected via TOSLINK to a Meridian F80 Headphone: Naim Headline+NAPSC and ancient Senn HD580 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66008 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] User Interface via a PC?
I use OrangeCD with very good music management interface. It manages its own library independent from SqueezeCenter. What I do is right click on whatever music I want to play, and right click to select "Play to SqueezeCenter" Works very well. -- agentsmith System 1: Transporter+Hi-Line RCA-DIN, Naim 202/200/Hicap+Powerline/NAPSC, Naim NAT03 tuner, CD5X, Harbeth Monitor 30 System 2: SB2 or Airport Express connected via TOSLINK to a Meridian F80 Headphone: Naim Headline+NAPSC and ancient Senn HD580 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] User Interface via a PC?
No one on this thread has mentioned it, but I think SqueezePlay (still in beta) is perfectly stable and usable on a netbook or small laptop. You can get it here: http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.3 In terms of user-interface, it's really just a magnified version of the Squeezebox controller, but as such it would be excellent for someone who enjoys larger font sizes. -- dsdreamer -- "Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you..." dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] User Interface via a PC?
Ozz;443647 Wrote: > It is much nicer than passing around my Iphone when people want to look > through the music and or control the Transporter. > > Does anyone know if there is a better desktop app to control SC? > > Thanks Have a look at Muso (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57629) Great application for looking through or showing off your music collection using a PC, also includes the ability to play selected music through SC. -- Wirrunna A camel is a racehorse designed by a committee. Wirrunna's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3225 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controlling Squeezecentre with a Nokia phone
pippin;443709 Wrote: > That report is almost a year old and I don't see the predicted flood of > new S60 Apps. Sounds more like wishful thinking to me. http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/qt-for-s60-preview-released It's only recently been released in RC form, final version is Oct/Nov. -- dave77 dave77's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=26269 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59033 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify
donster22;443752 Wrote: > Hello > > This works great for me apart from a 5 to 7 second delay when i change > tracks. Is there any way around this or is that just a consequence of my > network and the buffering? 5 to 7 seconds, I could live with that! I'm getting upwards of 90 seconds. Have received no reply to post 94 in this thread yet. -- kidstypike kidstypike 1 SB3 1 Duet 1 Boom kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] User Interface via a PC?
Ozz;443647 Wrote: > I have the Ipeng app (love it) but while cool it is a bit small for > older eyes (argh) I have a Mini Laptop (Acer Aspire one) with a 10" > screen and full functionality of a wireless PC. I am really looking for > something that will look and perform like Ipeng on the PC. sorry > Squeez-Folks but your user interface is lacking ergonomic usefulness. > Small text clumbsy controls etc. Not bagging on you as your product > exceeds my wildest hopes for a Ethernet DAC. (I love my Transporter). > But in a 2 channel listening room with many thousands of dollards spent > on equipment. I would love to see Ipeng like features on a mini laptop > for control. It is much nicer than passing around my Iphone when people > want to look through the music and or control the Transporter. > > Does anyone know if there is a better desktop app to control SC? > > Thanks I too have older eyes (the rest of me is much younger ;-) )and a 9 inch netbook. I don't use it regularly for my SB interface, but when I do I find the browser UI perfectly satisfactory. Forgive me for mentioning the obvious, but I trust you do know the size of the text in browsers can be increased with "CTRL +" ? If such a large screen is too small for you to use, how do you manage to use the remote control units that (presumably) you need for the equipment you list? Do you use reading glasses? -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify
Hello This works great for me apart from a 5 to 7 second delay when i change tracks. Is there any way around this or is that just a consequence of my network and the buffering? thanks don -- donster22 donster22's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31893 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify
baz;443748 Wrote: > Have you installed the latest version of DSBridge? It works fine for me > (320 kbps), I did not have to do any changes in the dsbridge.ini-file at > all. Thanks. I was running SC and Spotify on different computers. I have now installed SC on my netbook , the computer that I was using as a remote control for SC, and it is working fine now. -- pelle3 pelle3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify
pelle3;443673 Wrote: > Hi! > > I can't get the higher bitrate working (320 kbps). > It shows 192 kbps in squeezecenter. > > I've dropped the file dsbridge.ini, together with DSound.dll and > lame_enc.dll in the spotify folder. > > I have a premium account. > > Any idea? > > Everythings works perfect besides this. Thanks a lot! > > Pelle Have you installed the latest version of DSBridge? It works fine for me (320 kbps), I did not have to do any changes in the dsbridge.ini-file at all. -- baz baz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2194 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] User Interface via a PC?
Ozz;443743 Wrote: > Anything more stable out there than Moose? There seem to be issues with > it freezing for 2-3 minutes at a time. I have been using Moose for a while now and have never had it freeze. Dr Lovegrove is pretty active around here - might be worth finding the Moose thread in the 3rd party forum and posting a query. He is pretty helpful. -- SumnerBoy SumnerBoy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8924 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] User Interface via a PC?
I have SC loaded onto my netbook which then streams to my SB via wifi. It has a 7" screen. I played around with different skins till I found one that was less of a problem for my old eyes. I have my library on a 500 GB mini USB drive, which is stuck to the bottom of the netbook with fas-tack (blue tack, museum putty). It is an all in one system. And it is completely portable. The drive runs off of USB power. I am going to try sticking the drive to the top of the netbook so it won't get so hot. That should extend its life. The Maxtor Touch4 mini runs off of a single USB port. Though they recommend connecting to two ports for current carrying capacity. They supply a special cable to do this. Though, like I said, it isn't needed for this application. The 7" screen is still a bit too small without reading glasses, but a 10" should work just great. -- regalma1 regalma1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6658 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] User Interface via a PC?
Anything more stable out there than Moose? There seem to be issues with it freezing for 2-3 minutes at a time. -- Ozz 2 Channel listening Room: Transporter, Arcam C31 and Arcam P1 Mono Blocks feeding ATC SCM19s Cable and interconnects are both Kimber. HP media server with 4TB of storage connected to the whole house GB network. (in media closet) Media Room:Sony 70" SXRD, 4 NHT VT-2 Biamped (running all 4 subs) 4 NHT VS-2. Outlaw 990 6 Yamaha MX-2000 amps 4 NHT SA-2 amps (Sub amps) PS3 with 500GB onboard and 4TB external storage. Master BR: Sony 56" XBR4 and Yamaha YSP-4000 sound bar fed from media closet. Ozz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31687 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New "Logitech MM STREAM Squeezebox Touch" spotted !!
Sike;443666 Wrote: > Get yerself a Classic and a iPod Touch with iPeng. IMHO that is the best > combo... Well if we are going to talk best combo wouldn't that be an iPhone with iPeng used with a Transporter! Best control software, Phone and Controller in one, and the best NMP. I do agree that an SB3 would be a go way for him to go. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: SB3, GFR-700HD, Thiel 2.3, Second Boom Home Office: SB3, NAD C370, two VSM-1 Home Gym: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, Thiel PowerPoint 1.2 House Portable: SB3, Audioengine A5 Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB3, ToughBook iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New "Logitech MM STREAM Squeezebox Touch" spotted !!
This sounds nifty: "There is also reported to be an infra-red presence detector that makes the screen spring back into life as you walk up to it - always fun when giving a demo." And: "Smaller updates also likely for the Boom and perhaps Receiver (the player half of the Duet)" Since the Boom and Receiver don't need a physical redesign, the updates most likely will concentrate on the audio section. It makes sense for Logitech to standardize all their players (except the Transporter) as far as sound quality and processing ability. Doing this would bring the whole family up to 24/96 capability. Isn't it about time for Logitech to make a formal announcement? And drop the prices on the current models so they have a few weeks to clear them out? -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sync Squeezebox with Winamp on remote pc
AFAIK SC doesn't alter the tempo to re-sync. Instead it will jump ahead (or back?) as needed to restore sync. It usually does this when changing tracks, but I think it can do it mid-track now as well. There are various sync parameters you can set in SC Settings. I think they're under Settings > Player > Audio. Give those a try. Even though sync'ing successfully with SqueezePlay is more likely than sync'ing with stream.mp3 (because stream.mp3 simply doesn't sync), sync with *any* software players like SqueezePlay or SoftSqueeze is completely hit or miss. There is too much going on with drivers, sound cards, etc. that are outside the control of SC. You might need to start saving for another SB ;o) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65995 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sync Squeezebox with Winamp on remote pc
Tried Squeezeplay - can't seem sync up properly playing mp3/wma located on dedicated LAN server. *sniff (install was a breeze and everything else seems to work fine though) Any way to increase the "agressiveness" of Squeezeplay to check for sync more often ? And once it detected that it's out of Sync - is it trying to catch up / slow down by altering tempo slightly or does it passively stay out of sync ? Thanks NN -- one11 one11's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23291 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65995 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controlling Squeezecentre with a Nokia phone
Locuth;443705 Wrote: > Thanks. > Unfortunately I am not using QT. Maybe I will in the future. That report is almost a year old and I don't see the predicted flood of new S60 Apps. Sounds more like wishful thinking to me. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59033 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controlling Squeezecentre with a Nokia phone
dave77;443630 Wrote: > http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/10/21/s60-application-storm-forecasted-for-summer-2009/ > > This may be of interest to you Thanks. Unfortunately I am not using QT. Maybe I will in the future. -- Locuth Use your PDA as SqueezeBox remote -- http://www.sciatec.de/SlimControl Locuth's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59033 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Another flac2mp3 query
Robin Bowes;443565 Wrote: > On 26/07/09 23:36, socistep wrote: > > Hi All > > > > Have got flac2mp3 working well on my server, scheduled to run daily. > > > > On checking outputs I've noticed that each time it runs that the > > following files are updated > > > > Writing tags to "/storage/music/mp3/Black Rebel Motorcycle Club/Take > > Them On, On Your Own/00 Hidden Track.mp3" > > Writing tags to "/storage/music/mp3/British Sea Power/Open Season/00 > > Hidden Track.mp3" > > Writing tags to "/storage/music/mp3/Goldie Lookin Chain/Greatest > > Hits/00 Hidden Track.mp3" > > > > Anyone know why it would keep re-writing tags for these '00 - Hidden > > Track' songs ? > > Can you register [1] and create a ticket [2] please? > > Thanks, > > R. > > [1] https://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3/trac/register > > [2] https://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3/trac/newticket Done, ticket #122 raised for this one -- socistep socistep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18860 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New "Logitech MM STREAM Squeezebox Touch" spotted !!
I updated my blog post last weekend with a slightly different marketing photo that I came across last week - but doesn't tell us anything new. http://dabdig.blogspot.com/2009/06/logitech-squeezebox-touch-on-way.html -- Paul Webster Paul Webster http://www.lastfm.com/user/BondJamesBond Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sync Squeezebox with Winamp on remote pc
Hi Andy Thanks a lot for an honest and clear answer on this issue - i'll read on the thread you proposed Cheers, NN -- one11 one11's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23291 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65995 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sync Squeezebox with Winamp on remote pc
It is indeed impossible to sync Winamp with a hardware player. You could try Softsqueeze or Squeezeplay, but those have problems too depending on OS and soundcard. http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Synchronization -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65995 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Softsqueeze skipping at start of track
The only time I've noticed this type of behavior is when I take my Boom remote and set it's Audio Quality to a lower setting while it is still Sync'ed to the "full speed" players at home. (I only have about 512K of outbound speed.) Removing the Boom from the Sync pool stops the problem. -- pski pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65735 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Sync Squeezebox with Winamp on remote pc
o/ Here's my tech issue and setup: Squeezebox on Rotel Amp, controlled by "duet" controller. Squeeze server running on dedicated XP box. Another PC in office using the http://musicserver:9000/stream.mp3 on winamp. The winamp player shows up on the web interface and i can easily assign different tracks to each player. When trying to synch them, Squeezebox on Rotel amp sounds mute (or stop?) and only Pc with Winamp plays. I've fiddled with the settings to no avail, it's seems impossible to have sync sound from both source at the same time What am i missing here ? :) Thx! NN -- one11 one11's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23291 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65995 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New "Logitech MM STREAM Squeezebox Touch" spotted !!
Sike;443665 Wrote: > And if you google 930-89 & 930-91 > > you also get the Squeezebox Touch?!? Maybe there are different versions > of it, that would explain the SKUs... > That is no surprise, the Duet also has three SKUs, which I think are down to the US/EU/Other "regions". -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify
pelle3;443673 Wrote: > Hi! > > I can't get the higher bitrate working (320 kbps). > It shows 192 kbps in squeezecenter. > > I've dropped the file dsbridge.ini, together with DSound.dll and > lame_enc.dll in the spotify folder. > > I have a premium account. > > Any idea? > > Everythings works perfect besides this. Thanks a lot! > > Pelle Now if 320Kb/s works I'm in for it! -- Labarum Brian Squeezebox 3 Classic and Virgin Cable Box Beresford DAC TC-7510 MK6/4 - Quad 405-2 refurbished by 405man Quart 980s Speakers Boom in kitchen. Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify
Hi! I can't get the higher bitrate working (320 kbps). It shows 192 kbps in squeezecenter. I've dropped the file dsbridge.ini, together with DSound.dll and lame_enc.dll in the spotify folder. I have a premium account. Any idea? Everythings works perfect besides this. Thanks a lot! Pelle -- pelle3 pelle3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox + Draytek router: No Internet radio
bpa wrote: > What firmware are you using in the Draytek. This thread > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59329 around post #22 > onwards mentions that 3.2.1 is needed for Duet to work. > I have 2.5.6 which is the latest version for the 2900: http://www.draytek.com/user/SupportDownloads.php From the description this doesn't really seem to be the same problem. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] duet controller problems.
I have a few problems with my duet controller. - Sometimes I simply cannot work to the network and I am asked to retry, especially if I want to switch from Squeezecenter to Squeezenetwork. - "Please wait" is often on the screen that results in slow response. Turning the volume up won't happen instantly. - Becomes unresponsive and requires the battery to be removed. - As of today I can see no artwork. Any ideas? Thank you. -- dualist dualist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65991 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New "Logitech MM STREAM Squeezebox Touch" spotted !!
mholling;443624 Wrote: > (Just built my server, debating whether to wait for this or get a duet.) Get yerself a Classic and a iPod Touch with iPeng. IMHO that is the best combo... -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New "Logitech MM STREAM Squeezebox Touch" spotted !!
And if you google 930-89 & 930-91 you also get the Squeezebox Touch?!? Maybe there are different versions of it, that would explain the SKUs... I also tried 930-92 up to 930-000110 with no results. Mabe the rest was just a hoax.. -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] User Interface via a PC?
Thanks, just did a search for it. I will give it a try. -- Ozz 2 Channel listening Room: Transporter, Arcam C31 and Arcam P1 Mono Blocks feeding ATC SCM19s Cable and interconnects are both Kimber. HP media server with 4TB of storage connected to the whole house GB network. (in media closet) Media Room:Sony 70" SXRD, 4 NHT VT-2 Biamped (running all 4 subs) 4 NHT VS-2. Outlaw 990 6 Yamaha MX-2000 amps 4 NHT SA-2 amps (Sub amps) PS3 with 500GB onboard and 4TB external storage. Master BR: Sony 56" XBR4 and Yamaha YSP-4000 sound bar fed from media closet. Ozz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31687 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Zapping through radio stations?
Here an example of somebody using a list for alarm playlist http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58902 -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65985 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] User Interface via a PC?
Did you try Moose? (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63593&highlight=moose) -- Uluen SYSTEM: MUSIC -> EARS http://www.last.fm/user/Uluen Uluen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12166 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] User Interface via a PC?
Have you tried Moose? It's not perfect but at least it supports drag and drop for playlists.(sorry just seen a duplicate post!DOH!) -- akjohnson akjohnson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31643 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] User Interface via a PC?
I have the Ipeng app (love it) but while cool it is a bit small for older eyes (argh) I have a Mini Laptop (Acer Aspire one) with a 10" screen and full functionality of a wireless PC. I am really looking for something that will look and perform like Ipeng on the PC. sorry Squeez-Folks but your user interface is lacking ergonomic usefulness. Small text clumbsy controls etc. Not bagging on you as your product exceeds my wildest hopes for a Ethernet DAC. (I love my Transporter). But in a 2 channel listening room with many thousands of dollards spent on equipment. I would love to see Ipeng like features on a mini laptop for control. It is much nicer than passing around my Iphone when people want to look through the music and or control the Transporter. Does anyone know if there is a better desktop app to control SC? Thanks -- Ozz 2 Channel listening Room: Transporter, Arcam C31 and Arcam P1 Mono Blocks feeding ATC SCM19s Cable and interconnects are both Kimber. HP media server with 4TB of storage connected to the whole house GB network. (in media closet) Media Room:Sony 70" SXRD, 4 NHT VT-2 Biamped (running all 4 subs) 4 NHT VS-2. Outlaw 990 6 Yamaha MX-2000 amps 4 NHT SA-2 amps (Sub amps) PS3 with 500GB onboard and 4TB external storage. Master BR: Sony 56" XBR4 and Yamaha YSP-4000 sound bar fed from media closet. Ozz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31687 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox + Draytek router: No Internet radio
What firmware are you using in the Draytek. This thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59329 around post #22 onwards mentions that 3.2.1 is needed for Duet to work. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65952 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New "Logitech MM STREAM Squeezebox Touch" spotted !!
Using Logitech's manufacturer's number (930-90) returned a number of hits: http://www.frontierpc.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=20893090CDN http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=57749 https://www.shopsharksystems.com/browse/currency-USD/product/0-other/930-90 http://www.insight.ca/apps/productpresentation/index.php?product_id=LT4462821&nbs_search=GR%3D1%26C%3D108%26K%3D%26S%3D1046%26lang%3Den-ca%26M%3DLT http://www.directdial.com/930-90.html http://www.agileelectronics.ca/prod_details/tab/details.asp?prod_id=930%2D90 I used google.ca which is likely why most of these sites are canadian. No new information at any of these sites, but clearly the product is in many vendor's systems. -- greg from winnipeg greg from winnipeg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10924 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New "Logitech MM STREAM Squeezebox Touch" spotted !!
mholling;443624 Wrote: > Found a site listing the Squeezebox Touch as available on August 18 for > NZ$419. That's about 250 euros for the SB Touch. As a comparison, the Duet is 349.00 on the Logitech website (streetprice: 212,00) and the Classic 239.00 (streetprice: 142,00). -- BastiaanR It's not a problem, it's a challenge. BastiaanR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controlling Squeezecentre with a Nokia phone
Locuth;443366 Wrote: > Yes - here !! > Beeing a windows mobile guy I have yet to look into Symbian. > > It all depends on the demand. As of now I've had three request towards > a controller for Nokia phones. Not a lot, really. http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/10/21/s60-application-storm-forecasted-for-summer-2009/ This may be of interest to you -- dave77 dave77's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=26269 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59033 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New "Logitech MM STREAM Squeezebox Touch" spotted !!
mholling;443624 Wrote: > Found a site listing the Squeezebox Touch as available on August 18 for > NZ$419. > > www .ascent .co .nz /productspecification.aspx?ItemID=379698 > > (Just built my server, debating whether to wait for this or get a > duet.) USB, SD Card, ... ah ... SheevaPlug meets Squeezebox. -- jo-wie SB Classic, SC 7.3.4 auf GigaByte STA/C mit VIA C7 1GHz, 1GB RAM, 250 GB 2,5" HD, Ubuntu Desktop 8.04 LTS, CD -> FLAC = dbpoweramp last.fm/user/jo-wie jo-wie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17952 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rebuffering is ruining the Squeezebox experience
The problem appeared to have been with the boom, but it is 8 feet from the WAP. The SB3 is about 20 feet from the same WAP, and suffers no issues. The SBR has no issues either, I had them all running over the weekend with the volume muted. Only the Boom lost contact, which does lend some credence to your theory. I run an iPhone, an SBC, a desktop, laptop and two Squeezeboxes in my house, and all worked well until upgrading to 3.3.3 There's no issue with interference - we live on a 2.5 acre plot and all the insulation is foil backed so RF doesn't enter or leave the building. I do have 3WAPs but they are evenly spread along the available spectrum and well spread through the building. I did upgrade to 3.3.4 last night and I haven't had a recurrence of the problem, so there does appear to be an issue with 3.3.3 and streaming performance. Tim -- timmorris timmorris's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4147 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65719 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New "Logitech MM STREAM Squeezebox Touch" spotted !!
Found a site listing the Squeezebox Touch as available on August 18 for NZ$419. www .ascent .co .nz /productspecification.aspx?ItemID=379698 (Just built my server, debating whether to wait for this or get a duet.) -- mholling mholling's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31884 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Zapping through radio stations?
Thanks! That easy, eh? I will certainly give it a try. Per. -- perstromgren perstromgren's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65985 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox + Draytek router: No Internet radio
bpa wrote: There are mechanism to block access by IP but not by MAC. The IP address of the SB doesn't change when the packets are routed over the server. I'll have a further look at things this evening. Strange as many routers have MAC blocking support as IP addresses change when using DHCP and DHCP usage is very common. You're right, there's indeed a MAC Address Control option. It's disabled, though. I wouldn't think of using it. I have so many devices, that restriction would be quite unmaintainable. Are you using DHCP ? I use DHCP, but configured my SB's to static IP addresses while figuring this out, which made no difference, as I wrote before. I'll do some more tests this evening, I'll try bypassing the LinkSys router and plugging the wired SB straight into the Draytek as well. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Zapping through radio stations?
Create a playlist with all stations yopu want to play then assign the list to a favorite. Play the favorite - I think FFWD/REW will then move you up and down the list. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65985 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox + Draytek router: No Internet radio
> > There are mechanism to block access by IP but not by MAC. The IP > address > of the SB doesn't change when the packets are routed over the server. > I'll have a further look at things this evening. > Strange as many routers have MAC blocking support as IP addresses change when using DHCP and DHCP usage is very common. Are you using DHCP ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65952 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Zapping through radio stations?
Whenever you want to see if there is something on the TV, you sit down with your TV remote in hand, switch the unit on, and hits P+ (or whatever the button is labled on your set) repeatedly to watch channel after channel. To do the same thing with radio channels through the SB3, you select Favorites, then Down, Play, Down, Play, etc. Is it possible to avoid the need for hitting Play every time? Per. -- perstromgren perstromgren's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65985 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem logging in to Live 365
I had problems of this nature over the past couple of days. I logged out of and back into my account via Squeezenetwork. I then navigated to the station via Music Services > Other > Live 365 > genre > station. I then was able to play the station in question via the Favorites entry I had previously made. I'm not sure why all this was necessary. -- jimzak http://zzzone.net http://have-a-nice-day.org http://www.last.fm/user/zzzoneDOTnet jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65890 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox + Draytek router: No Internet radio
bpa wrote: > For internet radio - SB has to be able to set up a connection to > internet without using SC whereas local music comes through SC. By > routing through PC it is possible you using some PC settings/config in > preference to router. > There's only one setting I can think of and that's the gateway. > A DNS config error or IP/Mac blocking on router could also cause this > issue. > I looked at the DNS setup, changed the DNS server a few times with no improvement. > 1. For DNS or other IP issues - write for all devices (SB, router, WAP > and PCs) DNS address, IP address, Gateway Address and network Mask. > Check they are all consistent. One user had a similar problem and it > turned out for testing they had manually configured a DNS address on a > player and then forgot until months later when problems happened. > That kind of error is always possible, but I don't believe that was the problem. When I started trying to fix things yesterday the sb's were on dhcp. I switched to manual ip on a different (free) ip address with no improvement. When I get home from work, I'll try changing the gateway back on one of the players to see if the problem returns. I'll let you know the result. > 2. For IP/Mac blocking - Check whether router has any security > mechanisms to block/restrict access to internet. There are mechanism to block access by IP but not by MAC. The IP address of the SB doesn't change when the packets are routed over the server. I'll have a further look at things this evening. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox + Draytek router: No Internet radio
For internet radio - SB has to be able to set up a connection to internet without using SC whereas local music comes through SC. By routing through PC it is possible you using some PC settings/config in preference to router. A DNS config error or IP/Mac blocking on router could also cause this issue. 1. For DNS or other IP issues - write for all devices (SB, router, WAP and PCs) DNS address, IP address, Gateway Address and network Mask. Check they are all consistent. One user had a similar problem and it turned out for testing they had manually configured a DNS address on a player and then forgot until months later when problems happened. 2. For IP/Mac blocking - Check whether router has any security mechanisms to block/restrict access to internet. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65952 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] synchronization problems - and getting worse
Don't forget when doing experiments enable the player.sync to DEBUG so that what you see can be tracked back to what SC is seeing/doing. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65870 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] synchronization problems - and getting worse
yeah, i guess i'll just have to hunker down, find (lots of!) time, and do some experiments... -- dcote dcote's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65870 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox + Draytek router: No Internet radio
mmca22gr wrote: > I have a similar setup. Vigor 2900 with SC running on a Windows Vista > box. > I don't have any route issues and can listen to BBC iPlayer and NApster > with no problems. > Weird. I can't think of any other cause though. One of the SB3's is connected via wifi, the other is wired, the WAP is connected to the Draytek router via a Linksys switch, the wired SB3 is directly connected to the switch. Both had the same gateway set up. I'm using a non-standard ip-range (172.22.22.1/24) but I can't imagine that being a problem. The Linux server (172.22.22.100) has a wired connection to the switch as well. So when I changed the gateway on the SB's from 172.22.22.1 to 172.22.22.100 everything started working. What else could explain this? Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rebuffering is ruining the Squeezebox experience
timmorris;443522 Wrote: > I have three players currently active: > > SB3 > SBR > Boom > > I've increased the server priority to -21. As a test I've been running > random song mixes on all 3 players. SBR is connected to one access point > - strength 81. SB3 and Boom are connected to another access point signal > strengths 71 and 99 respectively. > > Boom is the only player that I have a problem with. In less than 24 > hours it looses connection "rebuffering failed" and shows less than 20% > signal strength in the information pane. > > I've reinstalled SC and deleted settings and performed a factory reset > on the Boom. > > Something is wrong. > > Tim If your Boom is going from 99% signal to a 20% signal then you have a serious WiFi issue going on here. Possibly some major interference near by? Neighbor running a microwave tower? 20% WiFi signal would certainly see buffering issues, on most any streaming device. Or maybe just a typo? :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65719 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controlling Squeezecentre with a Nokia phone
+1 for me - currently running an N95 8gb and about to swap onto an N97. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? "-Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...-" (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Oh yeah, I'm giving 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/Siduhe) a try - and surprising myself how many interesting people are out there... Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59033 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controlling Squeezecentre with a Nokia phone
sebp;443368 Wrote: > Cast my vote and you get an overwhelming 33% increase of the demand. ;) +1 from me, i'm sure you could sell it on the Ovi store The handheld skin is quite difficult to use on my N97 without zooming in all the time, I can't figure out the N770 skin and iPeng doesn't work for some reason. -- dave77 dave77's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=26269 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59033 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify
Just did a small bugfix release that should fix a crash that could occur when forwarding or at the end of a track: http://dsbridge.googlecode.com/files/dsbridge-20090727-bin.zip I haven't been able to spend much time on this project currently, but I'll revisit it shortly. Things I'll be looking at: - Audio resampling (didn't know ads were encoded in mono, I don't get any for some reason) - Exposing application playback controls through HTTP API - Support for more encoders (FLAC and Ogg Vorbis) - Linux compatibility (If possible, haven't looked at why Wine isn't loading the DLL yet) -- chp chp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox + Draytek router: No Internet radio
I have a similar setup. Vigor 2900 with SC running on a Windows Vista box. I don't have any route issues and can listen to BBC iPlayer and NApster with no problems. -- mmca22gr mmca22gr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=474 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65952 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Another flac2mp3 query
On 26/07/09 23:36, socistep wrote: > Hi All > > Have got flac2mp3 working well on my server, scheduled to run daily. > > On checking outputs I've noticed that each time it runs that the > following files are updated > > Writing tags to "/storage/music/mp3/Black Rebel Motorcycle Club/Take > Them On, On Your Own/00 Hidden Track.mp3" > Writing tags to "/storage/music/mp3/British Sea Power/Open Season/00 > Hidden Track.mp3" > Writing tags to "/storage/music/mp3/Goldie Lookin Chain/Greatest > Hits/00 Hidden Track.mp3" > > Anyone know why it would keep re-writing tags for these '00 - Hidden > Track' songs ? Can you register [1] and create a ticket [2] please? Thanks, R. [1] https://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3/trac/register [2] https://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3/trac/newticket ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
