Re: [slim] DSD playback via Logitechmediaserver using Squeezebox Touch or Wandboard

2013-10-10 Thread Holzohr

Ted`s DSD Database
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgVhKcl_3lHfdFVyenBBNjNpQ2lieG81WGpqQTNfVUE#gid=0
has helped me to find a suitable DoP-ready DAC.

Another thread How to use the Squeezebox Touch to play DSD files on a
DoP compatible DAC  http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119364.0



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Re: [slim] Android TV Sticks/Boxes as Squeezebox Replacement

2013-10-10 Thread toby10

leafygreens wrote: 
 . Is there a version of LMS for Androids?  I only see Windows, Macs,
 and Linux.

No.  These are playback devices, not server computers.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox is (not) dead... One year later.

2013-10-10 Thread jhonsber...@msn.com

Give it one more year.



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[slim] Bose getting into it... yes THAT Bose

2013-10-10 Thread klezmer41

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/10/bose-soundtouch-wifi-music-systems/
http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/wifi_music_systems/soundtouch_music/soundtouch_30/index.jsp

No FLAC support yet but it looks like it's planned. What looks
disappointing though is that you need to have your library managed by
iTunes or Windows.



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Re: [slim] Bose getting into it... yes THAT Bose

2013-10-10 Thread PRGeno

Also disappointing is no audio outputs so you could use an external amp
and speakers if you wish.  It's all Bose or nothing.



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[slim] Anyone have a succinct summary of the squeezebox server situation?

2013-10-10 Thread Phil Karn
I've heavily used several Squeezeboxes and Boom Boxes for years, but I'm
ready to throw them all in the trash.

I just wasted several hours in an unsuccessful attempt to get
squeezeboxserver (or logitechmediaserver, or slimserver, or whatever
it's called this week) running again on a Debian Jesse system after an
apt-get upgrade broke it.

I've lost track of how many times in the past my server has abruptly
stopped working after I've updated some obscure library or piece of Perl
on my system, and I've had to dig into the code to find out why. Users
shouldn't have to be skilled programmers just to play the music in their
libraries.

The Squeezebox hardware is nicely designed, but it is quite frankly
useless without reliable software to drive it. Perl was designed to
crunch Linux system logs and generate reports, which it barely does.
It's far too fragile a foundation on which to build a huge application
like a music storage and retrieval system with thousands of gratuitous
bells and whistles. It's also extremely slow even on fast modern hardware.

Has anyone considered a simple server to drive Squeezebox hardware as a
bare-bones network audio output device? I suspect I'm like most people
in that I control my player from my computer, not the Squeezebox's own
display and IR remote, so much of the software functionality just isn't
necessary. It doesn't really need to do anything but accept a raw audio
stream from a player like VLC or iTunes, possibly transcode it, and ship
it over the network to the player.

--Phil

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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-10-10 Thread castalla

k...@philkarn.net wrote: 
 I've heavily used several Squeezeboxes and Boom Boxes for years, but I'm
 ready to throw them all in the trash.
 
 I just wasted several hours in an unsuccessful attempt to get
 squeezeboxserver (or logitechmediaserver, or slimserver, or whatever
 it's called this week) running again on a Debian Jesse system after an
 apt-get upgrade broke it.
 
 I've lost track of how many times in the past my server has abruptly
 stopped working after I've updated some obscure library or piece of Perl
 on my system, and I've had to dig into the code to find out why. Users
 shouldn't have to be skilled programmers just to play the music in their
 libraries.
 
 The Squeezebox hardware is nicely designed, but it is quite frankly
 useless without reliable software to drive it. Perl was designed to
 crunch Linux system logs and generate reports, which it barely does.
 It's far too fragile a foundation on which to build a huge application
 like a music storage and retrieval system with thousands of gratuitous
 bells and whistles. It's also extremely slow even on fast modern
 hardware.
 
 Has anyone considered a simple server to drive Squeezebox hardware as a
 bare-bones network audio output device? I suspect I'm like most people
 in that I control my player from my computer, not the Squeezebox's own
 display and IR remote, so much of the software functionality just isn't
 necessary. It doesn't really need to do anything but accept a raw audio
 stream from a player like VLC or iTunes, possibly transcode it, and ship
 it over the network to the player.
 
 --Phil

After many years of chasing the Dream - h! look an upgrade to OS The
Best Ever ver.2.00267, or whatever ... I adopt the principle of If It
Ain'T Broke, Don't Fix It 

Outcome - a system which works with very little in the way of problems

I have LMS running on Fedora, Ubuntu and Debian - none of which are the
latest and greatest -  end result, rock solid  systems and virtually no
maintenance.



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Cubieboard + Fedora 18 + LMS 7.8 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100
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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-10-10 Thread garym

You might be interested in the ickstream project. 

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98467-Pre-Announcement-ickStream-Music-Platformhighlight=Ickstream



*Location 1:* VortexBox (2.2)  LMS 7.7.2  Transporter, Touch, Boom,
Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.2)  LMS 7.7.2  Touch  Benchmark DAC I, Boom,
Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Office:* Win7(64)  LMS 7.8  SqueezePlay
*Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER
*Controllers:* iPhone4S (iPeng), iPad2 (iPengHD  SqueezePad),
CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop
Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Tagging - mp3tag, Spotify

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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-10-10 Thread Phil Karn
On 10/10/2013 06:12 PM, castalla wrote:

 
 I have LMS running on Fedora, Ubuntu and Debian - none of which are the
 latest and greatest -  end result, rock solid  systems and virtually no
 maintenance.

That's your choice, but it's not mine. I strongly believe in updating
software on a regular basis, primarily to fix security holes and bugs
and only secondarily to get new features. I also use my servers for
other purposes that require that they be kept up to date.

Well-written applications should never break when this happens.

Even when a non-backward-compatible change must be made to some module
(e.g., a library) in Debian Linux, an application can specify that it
needs the previous version and the package manager will handle this
automatically. It can even allow multiple versions to coexist so that
each application can use the one it wants. But the .deb files with the
Squeezebox media server don't seem to do this -- probably because there
are just far too many dependencies in the first place.

I think these bit rot problems are merely a symptom of the real
problem, which is that the Squeezebox media server tries to do far too
much in one huge program written in the wrong language. Countless media
player and library management programs with full-blown (and very
complex) GUIs already exist for every OS, ranging from iTunes to the
obscure, and I don't really see why I should have to use yet another one
just to send audio through Squeezebox hardware. Why reinvent the wheel?

What I really want is something like Apple's AirTunes or AirPlay, only
with an open and unencumbered protocol specification and support for all
the major codecs, including open-source ones like Ogg Vorbis and FLAC
that the commercial guys refuse to support. It was this support for open
codecs that attracted me to the Squeezebox in the first place.

--Phil

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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-10-10 Thread castalla

 That's your choice, but it's not mine. I strongly believe in updating
 software on a regular basis, primarily to fix security holes and bugs
 and only secondarily to get new features. I also use my servers for
 other purposes that require that they be kept up to date.

That's your choice!  hardware is so cheap these days that you can easily
run a headless server for LMS at about 35 USD.

I think you are just giving yourself unnecessary grief.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-10-10 Thread Phil Karn
On 10/10/2013 06:50 PM, castalla wrote:

 That's your choice!  hardware is so cheap these days that you can easily
 run a headless server for LMS at about 35 USD.
 
 I think you are just giving yourself unnecessary grief.

Oh, I know hardware is cheap. I even bought a separate server recently
to primarily host our media archive (though it cost more than $35).

But I explained my main reason I keep my systems updated is to patch
security holes and bugs. Perhaps that's why I've never had a detected
break-in.


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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-10-10 Thread Phil Karn
On 10/10/2013 06:16 PM, garym wrote:
 
 You might be interested in the ickstream project. 
 
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98467-Pre-Announcement-ickStream-Music-Platformhighlight=Ickstream

Thanks for the pointer. There is very little in the way of specifics,
and a proprietary platform isn't very appealing, but any alternative to
the present software is good to have.


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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-10-10 Thread paulster

Use Debian then. I've updated mine regularly over the last 5 years and
keep LMS up to date as well, and have never had a hiccup. There are more
bleeding-edge distros than Debian but their security patches are up to
date.



Two track 1's and no track 2 after a scan for new and changed? Please
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Receiver stuck at blue LED state after reboot? Please vote for bug
'17462' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17462)

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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-10-10 Thread Phil Karn
On 10/10/2013 07:22 PM, paulster wrote:
 
 Use Debian then. I've updated mine regularly over the last 5 years and
 keep LMS up to date as well, and have never had a hiccup. There are more
 bleeding-edge distros than Debian but their security patches are up to
 date.


That's exactly what I run -- Debian testing -- but slimserver
frequently breaks during upgrades. It is now broken again and I've not
been able to fix it. Usually I have to wait for another release but I
haven't seen anything past 7.7.3.


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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-10-10 Thread JJZolx

I hate to be -that- guy, but discussions about server problems and
software maintenance should be taken to another thread.



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Re: [slim] Bose getting into it... yes THAT Bose

2013-10-10 Thread dasmueller

PRGeno wrote: 
 Also disappointing is no audio outputs so you could use an external amp
 and speakers if you wish.  It's all Bose or nothing.

Agreed. The ability to plug into your own amplifier would be a real
plus. I would guess that is a conscious decision to tie people to the
Bose line of products.

Sync appears to be there which many folks find a critical component of
any new system.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-10-10 Thread Mnyb

If you run debian testing ? why not run the 7.8 beta version of the
server that have some fixes for the perl issues ( perl 5.18 ).
if your prepared to run a beta versions of an OS Why not of the server
.

I run the very Stable ClearOS6 beta for my server ( perl 5.10 ) iti just
runs .




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Bedroom/Office: Boom
Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4
Misc use: Radio (with battery)
iPad1 with iPengHD  SqueezePad
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server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux

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