Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
Hot air. Absolutely NOT a breakthrough. Just another proprietary format in a world already awash in more audibly-transparent formats than it needs. See http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=107666 Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement - ickStream open beta release on Squeezebox !
How can I create a Tidal trial account? If I enter my mail address on http://getlossless.com I just can join the Tidal mailing list - see screenshot. I already installed the ickstream Plugin on my LMS 7.9 but since I do not get any Tidal credentials, I can't give it a try. Thanks Stefan 16861 +---+ |Filename: Unbenannt.JPG| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16861| +---+ Webkemmi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30352 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102497 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement - ickStream open beta release on Squeezebox !
Webkemmi wrote: How can I create a Tidal trial account? If I enter my mail address on http://getlossless.com I just can join the Tidal mailing list - see screenshot.] Hi, Tidal is only available in UK and USA. If you live in Germany you can't get it yet. johnas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31930 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102497 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement - ickStream open beta release on Squeezebox !
Hi, Tidal is only available in UK and USA. If you live in Germany you can't get it yet. Just use WiMP Hifi instead. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement - ickStream open beta release on Squeezebox !
WiMP HiFi is the sam thing as TIDAL, just different brands for different markets --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102497 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
see Virus Killer's post here: http://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflatNumber=225234#Post225234 everything you need to know. it is truly a paradigm shift. -- 4 TB Drobo--FW 800--mac mini--Ethernet Transporter-- Wireworld Eclipse 6 coax--Meridian G61 G61-- Nordost Red Dawn--Primare 30.3 Primare--Ocos--Vienna Acoustics Beethoven/Maestro netchord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
While this sounds interesing, it does not (IMHO) fix the real problem, which occurs during recording. So much music, especially classical music, is already crippled with auto-gain, bad mic placement (too close, too far, too many, too few) and similar issues. All that information that gets thrown away before the sound engineers start messing with it (and they often do enough harm, mixing, equalizing and so on) cannot be restored with a fancy compression alogrithm. Also, this would probably mean new DAC Hardware, because of the unfolding of the timing information described in the Viruskiller Forum Post. Maybe this is a good thing, I don't know enough to tell. Maybe it would be best, if that firm would offer some samples to the general public. A decent PC should be able to decode their stuff in software, then we could see. I also don't see many streaming or download services jumping on this, they mostly seem to think mp3 is wonderful, and most of their customers probably agree, so...maybe it will sink, maybe it will float. Time will tell. For myself, I'm always on the hunt for the right sound, and I have not found it yet. My problem is, I'm professional musician, I earn my money playing in a small (60 member) philharmonic orchestra. So, for me the ideal I'm aiming at is something like a 50-80 Speaker surround sound. No recording will ever be able to reproduce that, but I'll take the next best thing... ;) Sadly, finding recordings that sound even remotely real is almost impossible. Mostly it's the normalization that hurts most, because in real life, 40 string instruments playing really soft and then playing really loud is a gigantic step, on most recordings it's almost no difference. This is of course a good thing for some cases, because, if you are listening to background music, you don#t want to fiddle with the volume all the time, but for concentrated listening, it is important. Maybe some day we will be given a choice, full dynamic range, or compressed, and can switch between the two with a tap or click. For that, we need masters with the full range, and sound engineers that give us normalization as an option and don't force-feed it to us. Okay, sorry for the OT... ;) CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
netchord wrote: see Virus Killer's post here: http://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflatNumber=225234#Post225234 everything you need to know. it is truly a paradigm shift. Hmmm. A few quotes from VirusKiller's post: the compression applied to the master file (which can be anything from a (non-ideal) 44.1/16 master up to 8x sample rate) is not lossy in the conventional sense. There is nothing removed from the file that would allow a human being to differentiate between the MQA encoding and the master as heard in the studio. Lossy? No, that would be an extremely unfair and naive description. Encoded for human hearing would be more accurate. So the MQA encoding process removes parts of the signal in a manner that will not be audible to a human listener. Exactly how is this something new? Encoded for human hearing is *precisely* what traditional lossy encoders (MP3, Vorbis, AAC, etc) have always done - some better than others. Meridian might claim that their encoding is more transparent than others, but to say it isn't lossy is basically a lie. And given the fact that modern high bitrate MP3/Vorbis/AAC/etc is indeed transparent in all but the most extreme and contrived situations, is there actually any need to invent another format? I appreciate that when played back through a suitable MQA decoder, the removed parts are intended to be restored, meaning it is no longer lossy. But the idea is that MQA encoded stuff will be playable on legacy equipment without a decoder, in which case it *is* lossy. Sounds a bit like a more extreme form of HDCD to me. MQA has broad music industry backing from execs, artists, and producers. No Sh*t, Sherlock. The music industry will welcome with open arms *any* technology which promises to allow them to sell their back catalogue yet again. Hearing Louis Armstrong through a pair of 7200SEs as if he was in the room was a jaw-dropping moment that I will never forget. It *is* that good. The most recent recording that could ever possibly have been made by Louis Armstrong would date from 1971 (the year he died). This predates Dolby SR by 15 years. Do you honestly think there was any recording technology available in 1971 that could have captured the ~100kHz bandwidth which Bob Stuart seems to think is required to cope with the human ear's ability to distinguish events down to the 10 microsecond interval? (Note: this is the same Bob Stuart who once stated that 19 bits and 60kHz sampling rate were sufficient - presumably back in the days when that's the maximum that Meridian could envisage delivering). Or that has an S/N ratio even remotely approaching the 96dB that 16 bit PCM is capable of? No, didn't think so. In which case, perhaps the wonderful sound that VirusKiller heard might have been more to do with the mastering, playback equipment or room, and *nothing* to do with it having been encoded by the wonderful MQA system? MQA is another solution in search of a problem, and gullible audiofools are going to lap it up just because it's Meridian. If Microsoft or Sony had come up with this, it would have been laughed at for the smoke mirrors it is. Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
I think it's actually a pretty clever move. Use high sample rates so that you can tell people you are really high definition but just throw away all that useless information about the pink noise in the ultrasonic frequency ranges. All the HD-marketing bang for CD-quality bandwidth-bucks. All fine :) --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
cliveb wrote: MQA is another solution in search of a problem, and gullible audiofools are going to lap it up just because it's Meridian. If Microsoft or Sony had come up with this, it would have been laughed at for the smoke mirrors it is. which you know because you've heard it? -- 4 TB Drobo--FW 800--mac mini--Ethernet Transporter-- Wireworld Eclipse 6 coax--Meridian G61 G61-- Nordost Red Dawn--Primare 30.3 Primare--Ocos--Vienna Acoustics Beethoven/Maestro netchord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
From my further reading, I think it is incorrect to describe MQA as a lossy format as is currently understood e.g. MP3 vs FLAC/ALAC. It would appear that MQA is as much to do about audio timing information as it is about frequency information? I'm thinking along the lines of Time Aligned Speakers? The encoding process seems to mimic the way 20 bit Metadata is embedded in HDCD CDs and is then turned on via HDCD aware DACs. Thus the ability to use existing containers FLAC, PCM, etc. Meridian has already announced an MQA aware DAC - The Meridian Explorer 2 DAC. ctbarker32's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
netchord wrote: which you know because you've heard it? Nice of you to ignore everything else I said (for which you presumably have no answer). You're right, I've not heard MQA. I have no need to. Look: the world is full of basic understanding about all manner of things, backed up by plenty of empirical evidence. And there are crackpots in every sphere who would like to challenge the standard model. When dismissed, they always resort to the same line: but how can you know if you haven't tried it?. Well, life is just too short to give every crackpot idea the time of day (*). The more at odds it is with the standard model, the less inclined we are to waste our time testing it. And high-end audio is absolutely chock-full of crackpot ideas so at odds with what we are very sure to be true that they really don't deserve even the slightest iota of our attention. Here's an extreme example to illustrate the point: ME: your pickup cartridge would sound so much better with my revolutionary nylon stylus mounted on a cantilever lovingly crafted from cold pasta. YOU: don't be daft ME: how can you say that without trying it? YOU: you're mad Some of us apply the same reasoning when presented with the latest nonsense from the hires-peddling crowd. So yes, I am closed-minded to many things that can't conceivably be true. (Who was it said that you need to be careful keeping an open mind, else your brains might fall out?) (*) I'm not saying that Bob Stuart is a crackpot. Meridian have done some fine things in the past. (I especially applaud their advocacy of digital active speakers). But MQA doesn't make any sense, other than as another way to fleece a gullible public. Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
ctbarker32 wrote: From my further reading, I think it is incorrect to describe MQA as a lossy format as is currently understood e.g. MP3 vs FLAC/ALAC. It would appear that MQA is as much to do about audio timing information as it is about frequency information? I'm thinking along the lines of Time Aligned Speakers? It doesn't really matter whether it's to do with timing or frequency information. As I read it, the MQA process starts with a hi-res source of some kind, strips out stuff and plonks some meta-data in the LSBs that allow a suitable decoder to reconstruct it. So, just like a sort of super HDCD as you say. When it's played on a legacy device without the decoder, stuff is missing. That's lossy in my book. ctbarker32 wrote: Meridian has already announced an MQA aware DAC - The Meridian Explorer 2 DAC. Quelle surprise. Who'd have thought that selling extra unnecessary hardware might be one of the incentives for Meridian? Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
cliveb wrote: When it's played on a legacy device without the decoder, stuff is missing. That's lossy in my book. Using your definition doesn't that include all digital audio systems known to date. The CD system is based on samples of an analog sound that is sampled at a defined rate and then the original sound is reconstructed at playback by a DAC that inserts misssing bits to complete the reconstruction? Sounds Lossy to me? I think it is early days and we all be able to evaluate MQA over time and decide for ourselves if it represents a breakthrough. ctbarker32's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
If you can reconstruct the original information, it's not lossy. Lossy codecs don't reconstruct the missing information. If it's not reconstructing irrelevant information, like ultrasonic sound you can probably discuss to eternity but the codec then is technically lossy. A/D or D/A conversion is not lossy but may be inaccurate or distorting. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
CommanderROR wrote: While this sounds interesing, it does not (IMHO) fix the real problem, which occurs during recording. Couldn't agree more. The problems with a lot of recorded music these days is in the mixes and lack of dynamic compression (aka the loudness wars). A different lossless container can't solve those problems. We have plenty of bit perfect lossless containers for digital music. We just need sanity with the mixing board! *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) LMS 7.8 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) LMS 7.8 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.8 Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S iPadAir2 (iPeng8 Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Sonos users - does Sonos pick up LMS playlists ?
Sonos claim that playlists can be accessed by their devices. Can anyone confirm that their Sonos 'sees' and plays LMS playlists? Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker (mothballed) Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102654 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos users - does Sonos pick up LMS playlists ?
castalla wrote: Sonos claim that playlists can be accessed by their devices. Can anyone confirm that their Sonos 'sees' and plays LMS playlists? I've not tried, but this is probably true if you active the LMS plugin that turns it to a uPNP server. I've personally taken a different toute on my system made of mainly Logitech, but a bit of Sonos and other uPnp players : I've developped this app that turns any uPnp device, including Sonos, into a squeezebox device https://github.com/philippe44/LMS-to-uPnP/ philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102654 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos users - does Sonos pick up LMS playlists ?
philippe_44 wrote: I've not tried, but this is probably true if you activate the LMS plugin that turns it into a uPNP server. I've personally taken a different route on my system made of mainly Logitech, but a bit of Sonos and other uPnP players : I've developped this app that turns any uPnp device, including Sonos, into a squeezebox device https://github.com/philippe44/LMS-to-uPnP/ Thanks. I've looked at your app - but it is so horrendously complicated to implement that I'm lost! I'm not sure about the LMS/upnp plugin and playlists - they certainly don't appear on any of the upnp clients I've tried. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker (mothballed) Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102654 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
ctbarker32 wrote: The CD system is based on samples of an analog sound that is sampled at a defined rate and then the original sound is reconstructed at playback by a DAC that inserts misssing bits to complete the reconstruction? Sounds Lossy to me? Maybe semantics but the DAC redraws the original waveform; it doesn't insert any missing bits. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos users - does Sonos pick up LMS playlists ?
castalla wrote: Thanks. I've looked at your app - but it is so horrendously complicated to implement that I'm lost! I'm not sure about the LMS/upnp plugin and playlists - they certainly don't appear on any of the upnp clients I've tried. ouch ... I'm sorry it looks complicated, this is certainly not the objective. Seriously, for a Sonos system, you have 1 parameter to set, launch it and here you go. There is really nothing to do. I've included a config file that should work with your Sonos. Grab the app from the github site in the bin/ directory (https://github.com/philippe44/LMS-to-uPnP/) copy it where ever you want, unzip and copy this config file is in the same directory and start the app - should be all +---+ |Filename: config.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16862| +---+ philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102654 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos users - does Sonos pick up LMS playlists ?
philippe_44 wrote: ouch ... I'm sorry it looks complicated, this is certainly not the objective. Seriously, for a Sonos system, you have 1 parameter to set, launch it and here you go. There is really nothing to do. I've included a config file that should work with your Sonos. Grab the app from the github site in the bin/ directory (https://github.com/philippe44/LMS-to-uPnP/) copy it where ever you want, unzip and copy this config file is in the same directory and start the app - should be all That sounds good. So which version would I use for Debian on an arm7 machine? Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker (mothballed) Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102654 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos users - does Sonos pick up LMS playlists ?
castalla wrote: That sounds good. So which version would I use for Debian on an arm7 machine? argh ... I've not compiled it for an ARM device. Linux x86 or Windows. But the very important thing to know is that it DOES NOT NEED to run of the same machine than the LMS server. You can use any computer in your network running Linux or Windows. If it does not work for you, there will be an ARM version at some point, but I'm not there yet, sorry philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102654 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos users - does Sonos pick up LMS playlists ?
philippe_44 wrote: argh ... I've not compiled it for an ARM device. Linux x86 or Windows. But the very important thing to know is that it DOES NOT NEED to run of the same machine than the LMS server. You can use any computer in your network running Linux or Windows. If it does not work for you, there will be an ARM version at some point, but I'm not there yet, sorry I think an arm version would be well-received. All my devices are arm (eg. Raspi, Cubieboard and an Openframe Joggler). Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker (mothballed) Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102654 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
cliveb wrote: Nice of you to ignore everything else I said (for which you presumably have no answer). You're right, I've not heard MQA. I have no need to. Look: the world is full of basic understanding about all manner of things, backed up by plenty of empirical evidence. And there are crackpots in every sphere who would like to challenge the standard model. When dismissed, they always resort to the same line: but how can you know if you haven't tried it?. Well, life is just too short to give every crackpot idea the time of day (*). The more at odds it is with the standard model, the less inclined we are to waste our time testing it. And high-end audio is absolutely chock-full of crackpot ideas so at odds with what we are very sure to be true that they really don't deserve even the slightest iota of our attention. Here's an extreme example to illustrate the point: ME: your pickup cartridge would sound so much better with my revolutionary nylon stylus mounted on a cantilever lovingly crafted from cold pasta. YOU: don't be daft ME: how can you say that without trying it? YOU: you're mad Some of us apply the same reasoning when presented with the latest nonsense from the hires-peddling crowd. So yes, I am closed-minded to many things that can't conceivably be true. (Who was it said that you need to be careful keeping an open mind, else your brains might fall out?) (*) I'm not saying that Bob Stuart is a crackpot. Meridian have done some fine things in the past. (I especially applaud their advocacy of digital active speakers). But MQA doesn't make any sense, other than as another way to fleece a gullible public. you seem to have missed some key info, in that MQA is based on new neuroscience research. so, while you may be sure you know what's true, it seems the actual science was not settled. -- 4 TB Drobo--FW 800--mac mini--Ethernet Transporter-- Wireworld Eclipse 6 coax--Meridian G61 G61-- Nordost Red Dawn--Primare 30.3 Primare--Ocos--Vienna Acoustics Beethoven/Maestro netchord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
I really can't find why MQA betters timing and other things. How i read it it simply is a streaming format that keeps bit depth and HF content needed for what HiRes is touted. So for a bitrate of 1MBit/s it may store bits 1-13 lossless and peels away HF content that is of no use. So PCM 24/192 in - 13-24/96-XXX out. There are lossy processes at work. Maybe correction files can restore the original. One problem it claims to solve is that recent lossy codecs are questioned to introduce problems with ringing of the filters near the audible band. Meridian uses filters that don't have these problems. I may be wrong but i saw no exact explanation of Meridian themself yet but some hyped listening. In the end you should simply get the 24/192 original when HighBitrate makes one happy. Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
I agree wth the statements re recording quality . So wake me up when we routinely gets music released that actualy has intrisinic sq beyound the humble cd :) When the world has changed and all music has the same sq as those very few audiophile recordings that achive this AND with real music with artist any one heard of ( dont get me started on the uselessnes of audiophile music labels ). Then we may discuss less data intense means of broadcast . Wonder if not moores law have made all this obselete by then ? Dont get me wrong i'm a fan of Meridian equipment and the fact that most of what they do is science based ( not all things ) which is rare in high end hifi . And i also like some AiX hirez recordings they sometimes contains real music not only good sound . Btw wonder what mr waldrep ( aix itrax ) has to say he have posted on this forum before ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
