Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-10-14 Thread Wiredcharlie

pippin wrote: 
 If it's the same iTunes account, I believe yes.
 You have to sync it with iTunes to get it into iTunes.
 
 ATTENTION: make absolutely sure you don't have a 2.0 in iTunes or it
 will delete the 1.6.1
 
 So I would
 0) make a backup of whatever iPeng version you have in iTunes (see
 below)
 A) make sure you delete iPeng in iTunes on your C/Mac (under Apps at the
 left hand side)
 B) sync the iPhone with iTunes
 C) make a backup of iPeng from iTunes. You can just dragamp;drop it out
 of iTunes
 D) sync the iPod.
 
 That should help.

That did the trick. Thanks for your help.

Tony



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-10-14 Thread pippin

Great to hear that!



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-10-13 Thread Wiredcharlie

Sorry if this is going over old ground. 

I have several IOS devices. If I do the in app purchase of Playback on
an IOS 4 device (which doesn't do iCloud), do I have to pay again for
the other devices? 

Thanks

Tony



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-10-13 Thread pippin

No, you can still restore it within the App for free.
Just make sure you purchase it in iPeng for iPhone, not the iPad App
because you can only restore it within the same App (and you can install
the iPhone version on iPad but not the other way around). Once activated
on one device it will work in both Apps.
Also make sure to read the part about the discount in the App if you own
both iPengs.

As always: you do of course have to use the same iTunes account on all
devices.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-10-13 Thread Wiredcharlie

pippin wrote: 
 No, you can still restore it within the App for free.
 Just make sure you purchase it in iPeng for iPhone, not the iPad App
 because you can only restore it within the same App (and you can install
 the iPhone version on iPad but not the other way around). Once activated
 on one device it will work in both Apps.
 Also make sure to read the part about the discount in the App if you own
 both iPengs.
 
 As always: you do of course have to use the same iTunes account on all
 devices.

Thanks for getting back. I couldn't resist a deal, so I bought ipeng for
iPad and then went into the iPhone version and bought the discounted
playback. So far so good. My iPhone happily did a Restore Previous
Purchase and installed playback. However my ios4 iPod touch asks for my
password and then does nothing. Any ideas?

Help appreciated.

Tony



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-10-13 Thread pippin

How old is the iPeng version you've got on that one?



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-10-13 Thread Wiredcharlie

pippin wrote: 
 How old is the iPeng version you've got on that one? And which iPod
 model?

It's an 8gb 3G, which I believe is for all practical purposes a 2G
running iOS 4.2.1, ipeng is 1.4.8



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-10-13 Thread pippin

F That's bad. Couldn't you have done this one day earlier?
This is an App Store problem, a broken certificate blocking the purchase
queue.
I implemented a workaround together with Apple four month ago and until
yesterday I would have said: update iPeng.

The problem TODAY is, that iPeng 2.0 is out which doesn't support your
device anymore, Apple dropped the support for the ARM6 processor it
uses.

You don't happen to have a copy of a newer iPeng version?

Now, theoretically this can get fixed with your version of the App, too,
you just have to somehow get this stuck certificate cleared.
The problem is, it's not stuck in iPeng but the App Store App.
For some people, it has helped to log out of the App Store App (on the
first tab, bottom of the page), then re-boot the device and log into the
App Store again.
Usually it eventually fixes itself on its own (usually when Apple cleans
out some queues) but that can be between a day and several weeks.

I need to figure whether I can somehow provide you with a beta version
of some kind for he meantime.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-10-13 Thread Wiredcharlie

pippin wrote: 
 
 You don't happen to have a copy of a newer iPeng version?
 

I have ipeng 1.6.1 on the iPhone. Could I copy that onto the iPod?



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-10-13 Thread pippin

If it's the same iTunes account, I believe yes.
You have to sync it with iTunes to get it into iTunes.

ATTENTION: make absolutely sure you don't have a 2.0 in iTunes or it
will delete the 1.6.1

So I would
A) make sure you delete iPeng in iTunes on your C/Mac (under Apps at the
left hand side)
B) sync the iPhone with iTunes
C) make a backup of iPeng from iTunes. You can just dragamp;drop it out
of iTunes
D) sync the iPod.

That should help.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-18 Thread thebrieze

Hi,

I am a very long time iPeng for iPhone user. I purchased iPeng using an
itunes account I no longer use. I have since switched to a different
account for iCloud syncing and all my recent purchase. I only switch to
the old account to get updates - mostly just iPeng.

If I purchase iPeng for iPad, and want to get the Playback discount, do
both versions of iPeng need to be bought using the same iTunes
account, or synced to iCloud using the same itunes account?

taz



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-18 Thread pippin

No, this should work across accounts.

I'm not 100% sure about iCloud. So far, I thought the iCloud account
would be something else than the App Store account you purchased the App
with (so you can have set them to different Apple IDs) but I'm not 100%
sure that Apps being purchased under different accounts have access to
the same iCloud data. But I would expect it to.

It that does not work (that is, if the playback doesn't automatically
propagate or if you are not presented the discounted price in iPeng for
iPad or iPeng for iPhone), then you might have to use the old procedure
which still works:
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/2011/03/18/new-ipeng-versions-update-playback-change-discount-model/

In any case I'd purchase the discounted playback in the iPhone version
because then you are on the safe side to restore the feature on all
devices even if you can't access iCloud for some reason Oh, scrap
that, that was the old account, right? In that case you'd better make
sure iCloud works, first.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-15 Thread pippin

Thank you :)



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-14 Thread schiegl

pippin wrote: 
 No. Apple doesn't let you just add stuff to the library on the device so
 it's complicated and I don't really see a demand for all of that work,
 yet. Nobody has asked for it for a long time. People keep asking for
 streaming from iPhone to a Squeezebox but not for syncing content to the
 iPhone. I suspect those who want to do this have a solution for it.
 

I've asked this a long time ago and lost hope also a long time ago. I
went the way to auto-convert my flac-library to mp3 (already was in
place for my non-Apple Players), import those files to a otherwise non
active iTunes installation and use iTunes Match to sync my music.
Involves a few extra steps but i can't imagine a better solution today
(for me)

have a nice day,
Markus



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-14 Thread epoch1970

pippin wrote: 
 Please tell that to those who are outraged and keep giving
 single-star-rating on the App Store because they find iPeng too
 expensive

I am afraid arguing would be useless. Considering the use of iPeng more
or less designates you as the owner of one player, one PC, one stereo,
one iThing, whining about a $10 expense is quite misguided, I think.

About iPhone (iPod music app)/iPeng integration, the thing I wish I
could do is continue listening to a song/album on the SB when I arrive
at home. Some sort of SwitchPlayer feature, from the iPod app to iPeng.
I will survive without the feature.

I would really be curious about what can be done with
iPeng/srvPowerControl integration, since the iThing never goes off, is
context aware (location, perhaps surrounding noise), usually belongs to
one designated person, and always connected. This is fringing with the
murky topics of home automation/internet of things, and I can understand
you'd prefer concentrating on music.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-14 Thread pippin

epoch1970 wrote: 
 I am afraid arguing would be useless. Considering the use of iPeng more
 or less designates you as the owner of one player, one PC, one stereo,
 one iThing, and a lot of music, whining about an expense similar to the
 cost of an album is quite misguided, I think.
 

Well, the complaint is usually not about the price of the App itself
(people who think it's too expensive don't buy it and then can't
complain on the App Store) but more that you have to pay for the
playback as an extra or that you have to pay separately for iPeng for
iPhone and iPeng for iPad.

Simple _is_ a valid point here because obviously some people did not
get the fact that they don't have to pay again for playback on
additional devices. But as things stand, I don't have a way to make it
simpler, if you use iCloud, something probably most of today's iThingy
users do, it's really _very_ simple now - you just don't have to do
_anything_.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-14 Thread garym

pippin wrote: 
 Please tell that to those who are outraged and keep giving
 single-star-rating on the App Store because they find iPeng too
 expensive

unbelievable. Worth 3 times the price!  (I've rated for both my ipeng
and ipengHD purchases at the app storeunfortunately, you can only
rate one timeon the other hand, this may be a good limit, as the
whiners can't post low ratings over and over

p.s. this doesn't surprise me. Lots of people want everything either
free or at 99cents (their music, their apps, etc.).  Look at the grief
Erland has received over charging for his labor. His stuff is a major
benefit to users of SB products and worth every penny.  A lifetime
license to all his plugins are well worth it for any non-basics user of
SB products.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-14 Thread pippin

garym wrote: 
 unfortunately, you can only rate one timeon the other hand, this may
 be a good limit, as the whiners can't post low ratings over and
 over
 

Actually you _can_ rate an App again. It will not change the rating in
the overall rating but the new rating will affect the one specific for
the current release which usually is all a new buyer sees.

So yes, it pays to rate again for a new release.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-14 Thread garym

pippin wrote: 
 Actually you _can_ rate an App again. It will not change the rating in
 the overall rating but the new rating will affect the one specific for
 the current release which usually is all a new buyer sees.
 
 So yes, it pays to rate again for a new release.

updated both my reviews.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread reniera

In a separate thread, i was explaining that licensing of plugin is
over-engineered and this is an other example (although in the case of
ipeng, i find the pluging very valuable for a reasonable price).

When one need one page to explain how to purchase an addon to a plugin (
while the base software packag is free ), well, i believe this might be
unneededly complicated...



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread pippin

It's not a plugin but an App and purchasing it is a single click of a
button, I don't think anybody EVER found that difficult. It's what
hundreds of millions of iPhone users do every day.
Purchasing the In-App-Purchase is also just two clicks and also not an
issue for anybody.

The complicated thing has been getting a discount, something Apple
doesn't support in the App Store (and actually even gave us a hard time
initially because they considered it something we were not supposed to
do).
Now it became simple, too. That's all this is about.

How about taking your time to find out what you are talking about before
commenting?



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread garym

reniera wrote: 
 In a separate thread, i was explaining that licensing of plugin is
 over-engineered and this is an other example (although in the case of
 ipeng, i find the pluging very valuable for a reasonable price).
 
 When one need one page to explain how to purchase an addon to a plugin (
 while the base software packag is free ), well, i believe this might be
 unneededly complicated...

Then don't buy it (or any extra you don't want or like) or write your
own. Your complaint makes no sense???



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread reniera

garym wrote: 
 Then don't buy it (or any extra you don't want or like) or write your
 own. Your complaint makes no sense???

I bougth them already. 2 License changes ago, if I remember well. You
see, your post makes no sense too. If you don't like my posts, then
don't read them.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread reniera

pippin wrote: 
 It's not a plugin but an iOS App.

Exact, i corrected that.
I have ipeng for ipod with playback. I have ipeng for ipad and would
have bought playback for that one too. The fact is that after reading
your post with icloud enablement, restoring features on devices, ...i
prefer to run away. Sorry, too complicated for me.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread pippin

reniera wrote: 
 Exact, i corrected that.
 I have ipeng for ipod with playback. I have ipeng for ipad and would
 have bought playback for that one too. The fact is that after reading
 your post with icloud enablement, restoring features on devices, ...i
 prefer to run away. Sorry, too complicated for me.

OK, what exactly is complicated?
ALL you need to do is enable iCloud. Done. No need to buy anything,
restore anything or whatever. That's what the post says.

If that's already too complicated, then I don't know.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread reniera

pippin wrote: 
 OK, what exactly is complicated?
 ALL you need to do is enable iCloud on your iTingies. Done. No need to
 buy anything, restore anything or whatever. That's what the post says.
 
 OK, you may have to wait a few minutes, too, iCloud isn't always fast.
 
 If that's already too complicated, then I don't know.
 
 Oh, and actually BUYING it again has always been simple: just buy it.
 Done.

But if i activate icloud (let's assume i'm not paranoiac about giving
apple access to all my stuffs), it copies my music on all devices
already, so why would i need playback then ?



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread pippin

reniera wrote: 
 But if i activate icloud (let's assume i'm not paranoiac about giving
 apple access to all my stuffs), it copies my music on all devices
 already, so why would i need playback then ?
 
a) no, it doesn't. Read up on iCloud. What you are talking about is
iTunes in the Cloud which is a different product,... well, it's a an
iCloud feature being sold separately. It requires iCloud but doesn't
come with iCloud. Also, you might not have _all_ your music in iTunes
and also it would not copy all of it onto your device but stream from,
yes, iCloud
b) iTunes in the Cloud is not free, iCloud is.
c) what I'm talking about is iCloud. iCloud is a free service that syncs
settings and photos and data between your devices. Not music. You have
to register once and enable it on you devices, it's just a switch. 

I kind of understand if you are being paranoid about registering for
stuff but you have to be aware that the price of being paranoid in this
case is lack of simplicity. You can't expect people to send you stuff if
you refuse to give them your address.

 
 About a year ago, we discussed the possibility for ipeng to copy music
 from lms to ios. Any news from that ?
 
No.
 
 And of course, if i can still buy it a second time, then indeed, it
 simple.

Well, you said, you would want to buy it again if it was just simple:
 
 ...and would have bought playback for that one too.




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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread garym

reniera wrote: 
 I bougth them already. 2 License changes ago, if I remember well. You
 see, your post makes no sense too. If you don't like my posts, then
 don't read them.

But I do like your posts. Your tortured logic gives me a smile.  ;-)



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread epoch1970

I have to agree, explaining how simple it is to get a discount on a key
feature (at least on iPhone, IMHO), when at the same time full price is
not outrageousÂ… makes things look a little complicated. 
Even if discounts are really simple to get, now (I agree on that, too.)

When I upgraded to iPad3 I willingly bought playback once again. I had
been using iPeng daily for 2 years (?) so it felt only fair to chip in
again, and that was the only way I could do it.

For me the newsworthy item is the drop in iPeng for iPhone (iPod)
pricing.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread erland

pippin wrote: 
 
  reniera wrote: 
  
  About a year ago, we discussed the possibility for ipeng to copy music
  from lms to ios. Any news from that ? That'd be lovely and a more
  acceptable alternative for everyone like me that don't want to go fully
  the apple way (or people who's employer does not allow it).

 No. Apple doesn't let you just add stuff to the library on the device
 so it's complicated and I don't really see a demand for all of that
 work, yet. Nobody has asked for it for a long time. People keep asking
 for streaming from iPhone to a Squeezebox but not for syncing content
 to the iPhone. I suspect those who want to do this have a solution for
 it.
 
Syncing music with LMS would be great, but to make it useful it needs to
be able to convert my FLAC library to lossless MP3 (or AAC) when
syncing.

My issue currently is that the music library on my iPhone is never
updated, the issue is that the music library in iTunes is never updated
because I really hate iTunes and I hate the fact that it doesn't support
FLAC (which is the format my music uses). The result is that I rarely
listen to music on my iPhone except for using Spotify because getting
the music into iTunes and later into the iPhone is just too much work if
you have a FLAC library. 

What I would like is to:
1. Easily sync my FLAC library to the iPhone as lossless MP3/AAC. It
needs to make it possible to select a subset of the library because the
whole FLAC library is not going to fit on the iPhone even if it's
converted to MP3/AAC, and my FLAC library is still pretty small.
2. Ability to play the synchronized music locally on the iPhone without
any network connection.

This could be a completely separate app and I would easily be willing to
pay another $10 (or more) for it. I guess the advantage of including it
in iPeng is that you might be able to reuse some code but from a user
perspective I don't really care if it's iPeng or another standalone
music app which is able to synchronize with LMS and play the
synchronized music without network connection.

Do you know if there are any restrictions how much data (music files in
this case) an app is allowed to store in it's own application storage on
the iPhone ?
Are there any issues with applications storing a lot of data ? How will
iCloud backups work, is there any way to avoid that they also include
all my music in a scenario like this as that is going to result in that
I run out of iCloud backup space.

The only thing I'm a bit nervous about with the above solution is that
it's not really in line with Apple's way of thinking so I suspect it's
just a matter of time before Apple will shutdown the possibility because
they want people to play local music through the Apple iPod app instead.



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread maggior

I am a iPeng user and there are a large number of Apple iPod products in
our household.  Since the iPod supported gapless playback of LAME mp3
files, I've been a strong supporter of iPods.

I also own some Android devices...

In response to Erland's post, I have to say that his requests would fit
more in the Android world than iOS.  There are 2 Andriod music player
apps (PowerAmp and ProPlayer) that are under active development that
support both mp3 and FLAC with gapless playback.  In relation to the
squeezebox ecosystem, squeezeplayer works quite well in combination with
either squeeze commander or orange squeeze.
iTunes never really bothered me.  When you come from Sony's SonicStage,
you have a pretty thick skin :-).  When you move to an Android device,
you break free of being tied to certain software.  For syncing my
android devices, I use Media Monkey - works great!

For those that demand a choice of codecs with gapless playback on a
platform more open than iOS, Android is an attractive choice at this
point.  This is especially true now that a number of non-phone Android
devices are out there (Galaxy Player, Motorola Xoom, and all of the
other tablets).

I like both platforms and think both have good things to offer.  Just
some things to consider...



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread pippin

epoch1970 wrote: 
 when at the same time full price is not outrageousÂ…

Please tell that to those who are outraged and keep giving
single-star-rating on the App Store because they find iPeng too
expensive



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Re: [slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-13 Thread maggior

Anybody that complains that it is too much money is out of their mind. 
When my daugter got her ipod touch, i was all set to pay for the
playback feature again.  I didn't have too.  Plus you get free upgrades
for eternity.  there's no pleasing some people!



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[slim] [iPeng Announce] Easier to share, lower price (iPhone)

2012-07-12 Thread pippin

Dear iPeng Fans!

There are new releases of iPeng for iPhone (1.5.3) and iPeng for iPad
(1.3.3) in the App Store now and while they bring now new features this
time, there are quite a number of improvements for all those of you who
are using iPeng on several devices.

SHARING PLAYBACK

While iPeng for iPhone and iPeng for iPad are separate Apps, iPeng
Playback was a feature that could always be shared between the two if
done right, actually you even get an 80% discount on it if you own both
Apps.

In the past this required both Apps to be installed on the iPad. And to
restore the feature on a new device you had to restore the feature on
each device to enable it.

With iPeng 1.5.3/1.3.3 you can use iCloud instead. All you need to do is
to have iCloud enabled on your devices (and, of course, you have to use
the same iTunes account) and once you have purchased the playback
feature, within a few minutes it will automatically be available and
enabled on all your iCloud-enabled devices, iPhone, iPod touch or iPad.
There's nothing else you have to do for this.

DISCOUNTED PLAYBACK

The same applies to the Discounted Playback feature. If you own both
iPeng for iPhone and iPad you get an 80% discount on Playback. Now,
again, all you need to do for this is enable iCloud on your iPhone, iPod
and iPad and you can purchase the discounted feature on any of your
devices (please check the price in the purchase dialog!). Of course,
once enabled it will also be usable by all your other little penguins.

If you don't want to use iCloud the old behavior with it's limitations
will still be available.

NEW PRICE ON IPHONE/IPOD TOUCH

This is the first time ever we are changing a price for iPeng! So far,
iPeng's App price has always been 10 US$ for each of the Apps (except
for iPeng Party, of course, which is free), now we are offering the
iPhone and iPad versions at different prices. Since July 1st, iPeng for
iPhone sells at 5 US$.

WHY IS THAT?

Essentially, we believe iPeng has changed and also the way remote
controls are being used has changed. When iPeng came out, for the first
time you were able to have access to all your music in the palm of your
hand in such an easy way and it revolutionized the way people used their
Squeezeboxes (or music devices in general). You could hold it in one
hand, carry it everywhere and it had all the performance to let you
search and browse your music and control your players.

Now, since then, the iPad has arrived. And the iPad, for many people,
turned out to be an even better remote, especially using iPeng for
iPad,. It has a bigger screen, even more performance and it can show
more content, enable feature (e.g. through iPeng's built-in browser)
that don't work well or that are less capable on the iPhone/iPod and so
we believe that actually over the time, iPeng for iPad has become the
more capable App that is also being used longer and more frequently by
those who own both Apps and devices. 

iPeng on iPhone and iPod touch, however, is often being used as a player
these days, especially on the road, but that's a feature you have to
purchase as an addon. So as a reaction to this change in use and to the
evolution of the capabilities we have decided for now to cut the price
of iPeng for iPhone by 50%, iPeng for iPad stays the same as before.

Will it stay that way? I don't know. There are currently no plans for
further price changes and also no guarantee that the price cut will be
permanent, but this is where it stands now.

Have fun with it :)

More info is on http://penguinlovesmusic.com



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