Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
Gordon, 1) It won#8217;t (do fingerprinting correctly with multi-track FLACs). Another reason to go for single-track FLACs (which I did). Fortunately, SC can play them gapless. 2) Nobody seems to know, but I personally also haven#8217;t heard from Wendell for quite a long time :-( I -hope- they are not, because they are still the best system #8212; and what would MusicBrainz, the BBC and last.fm be without them, to name just a few? Let#8217;s hope for the best #8230; -- Moonbase Moonbase: 'The Problem Solver' (http://www.kaufen-ist-toll.de/moonbase) Moonbase's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21594 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Moonbase moonbase.3q2poc1238772...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: 2) Nobody seems to know, but I personally also haven#8217;t heard from Wendell for quite a long time :-( I -hope- they are not, because they are still the best system #8212; and what would MusicBrainz, the BBC and last.fm be without them, to name just a few? I think MusicBrainz, last.fm and (yes, even) the BBS will be fine -- they were around long before MusicIP. The core identification technology is safe in the MetaBrainz foundation even if MusicIP goes belly-up. Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
Andrew, any progress/news regarding MusicIP integration for Vortexbox?
I#8217;m currently playing with Vortexbox 0.5 on a spare PC, trying
out SC7.4-25724, a custom Jive and MIP headless 1.8.
Just wanted to remark that for Fedora/Vortexbox use, it might be wise
to modify the '\mmserver\ sample from the wiki'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter#Installation_of_MiP_headless)
as follows, so it supports use with -chkconfig- and -ntsysv-:
Code:
#!/bin/bash
#
# /etc/rc.d/init.d/mmserver
#
# Starts the MusicMagicServer daemon
#
# chkconfig: 345 79 31
# description: runs the MusicMagicServer daemon
# processname: MusicMagicServer
# NON-PRIVILEGED USER TO RUN MUSICMAGICSERVER.
USER=root
# PATH TO THE MUSICMAGICMIXERSERVER
export MUSICHOME=/root/MusicIP/MusicMagicMixer/
case $1 in
start)
su - $USER -c $MUSICHOMEMusicMagicServer start/dev/null
echo Running MusicMagicServer
exit
;;
stop)
su - $USER -c $MUSICHOMEMusicMagicServer stop/dev/null
echo Stopped MusicMagicServer
exit
;;
*)
echo Usage: /etc/rc.d/init.d/mmserver { start | stop }
exit
;;
esac
Copy it to -/etc/init.d/mmserver-, then do a
Code:
chkconfig --level 345 mmserver on
and reboot. MusicIP headless should now start before SqueezeCenter and
stop after :-)
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Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
I never really understood how MusicIP works. I got it running but I couldn't get it to do much inside SC. I'll make an RPM that does what you posted. If you can test it that would be really good. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
Sure, be happy to test :-) You might want to somehow start a -genpuid- run for files just ripped, so they can have the analysis data stored in their tags. Id recommend not trying to update the -autoload.m3lib- using genpuid 1.4 (it has a bug) but instead store the analysis data inside the files, and when finished, trigger a MusicIP cache rescan using the http API. (You need a [free for personal use] MusicDNS key for genpuid to operate.) Something like: Code: genpuid (your key here) -r -archive -logex /storage/music/flac/ (path to newly ripped files) and Code: http://localhost:10002/server/refresh All this would also allow to get (almost) perfect tagging data ;-) Try, for instance (on analyzed files): Code: genpuid (your key here) -r -ext=mb /storage/music/flac/ (path to files to check) ... and youll end up with a beautiful XML file containing all relevant tagging data for the file(s) selected, fresh from MusicBrainz! -- Moonbase Moonbase: 'The Problem Solver' (http://www.kaufen-ist-toll.de/moonbase) Moonbase's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21594 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
Moonbase: two final musicip questions: 1). Do you know if the genpuid fingerprint tool can work with flacs with embedded cuesheets? I.E. does it know how to distinguish tracks within a flac? And in terms of storing the fingerprint in a tag in the flac for quicker rescan, how does it store the tags in flacs with multiple tracks? 2). Is musicip dying? It looks like their principal developer has jumped ship: http://forums.musicip.com/index.php?showtopic=4286 -- gharris999 gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
gharris999;401395 Wrote: What's your sense of how well MusicIP works with classical music? I've been curious about this but have yet to devote the time to get it running on my server. I'm guessing that with 1T worth of flacs with more than 125 days of play time, the finger printing processing time would be a pretty serious investment. Is there any way to finger print a given flac at rip time? Or does the entire collection need to be printed in one go? I guess what I'm asking is this: is there a musicip tag that can calculated and then stored in the file which musicip could subsequently read for its db? I already calculate windows disc id and cddb ids for CDs as part of my ripping script..and these tags end up in the cuesheet. Is there a command-line utility to fingerprint a single file and output the print value? Gordon, I use MIP all the time and about 1/3rd of my music is classical. I feel there are a couple of limitations on MIPs ability with classical music, the first is that MIP only analyzes the first 30 seconds of a track, so if there is a long intro then the musical fingerprint may be misleading (this applies to all music but is more noticeable with classical), the second is that most symphonies are a musical story from the first movement to the last and I like listening from start to finish. However, if you want to make an adagio mix or a Bach mix or a romantic piano mix then MIP is great (providing your seed track is well picked). I recommend that you make a subset of your library on a test system, somewhere in the vicinity of 1000 tracks with a fair bit of variety, let MIP analyze and store its analysis and try a few mixes, varying the mix parameters and seed songs. From this you should be able to get an idea of the time it will take to analyze your 1Tb library, and of the usefulness of MIP to your listening. I run MIP from the GUI, I've never bothered with setting it up headless, the server sits under the stairs and I use VNC when I have to talk to it. Another plus for MIP is you can run the Spicefly sugarcube plugin. -- Wirrunna A camel is a racehorse designed by a committee. Wirrunna's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3225 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
gharris999;401395 Wrote: What's your sense of how well MusicIP works with classical music? Unfortunately I only have -very- few classical titles. I would expect good results but you might want to ask someone that really uses MIP with classical music. Or give -last.fm- a try they use MusicIPs -MusicDNS- service (plus a little more) behind the scenes, so you might get a feasible approximation. gharris999;401395 Wrote: I'm guessing that with 1T worth of flacs with more than 125 days of play time, the finger printing processing time would be a pretty serious investment. Indeed. About 20k files took around 7 days here (heavily loaded Windows machine) Its faster when they know about the titles already, but if you have music thats new to their database, calculation really eats up processor time. gharris999;401395 Wrote: Is there any way to finger print a given flac at rip time? Or does the entire collection need to be printed in one go? Well shortly after. The Windows -MusicIP Mixer GUI- will react to directory changes for folders you can set, and thus automatically start fingerprinting in the background. You have the option to set thread priority for that, plus the option to automatically save the analysis data in the tags (which Id -highly recommend-). You can also use the command-line -genpuid- tool in Linux to fingerprint all or part of your collection. (Can also save to tags.) gharris999;401395 Wrote: I guess what I'm asking is this: is there a musicip tag that can calculated and then stored in the file which musicip could subsequently read for its db? Exactly that :-) -- Moonbase Moonbase: 'The Problem Solver' (http://www.kaufen-ist-toll.de/moonbase) Moonbase's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21594 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
I tried installing it in VMware, but failed with both default install and install in vmware (30GB) options. After entering the root password (during installation) I get error messages Error opening /dev/sdX: no such device or address (where X was a, z, y, q, r...) -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
I load VortexBox into Vmware all the time for testing and it works very well. What Guest Operating system did you select for the VM? You need to use Other Linux 2.6.x kernel for it to work. You will need to use the 30GB option. That way VortexBox will install on just one partition. The default install creates a separate partition for the music files and this does not work well in small disk sizes. If anybody is interested I could create a pre-built VM for download. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
Moonbase;400998 Wrote: Couldnt live without it :-) Generates acoustic fingerprints for uniquely detecting music, uses these to create sound-alike mixes.What's your sense of how well MusicIP works with classical music? I've been curious about this but have yet to devote the time to get it running on my server. I'm guessing that with 1T worth of flacs with more than 125 days of play time, the finger printing processing time would be a pretty serious investment. Is there any way to finger print a given flac at rip time? Or does the entire collection need to be printed in one go? -- gharris999 gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
I load VortexBox into Vmware all the time for testing and it works very well. What Guest Operating system did you select for the VM? You need to use Other Linux 2.6.x kernel for it to work. Will try that. I was using Redhat. Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
We have been trying to build the perfect backend server/NAS software for SqueezeBox using open source software. We seem to be getting closer with this release. We added better error correcting to our autoripper so it can rip CDs with errors. If you need a server to store your music on VortexBox will save you time and money over commercial solutions. You can use an old PC that you already have, install a larger drive into it, and load the VortexBox ISO. VortexBox is built on Fedora 10 Linux so its easy to customize your server and configure it to do whatever you want. Right after installation VortexBox will be ready to auotrip CDs and server them up using the installed and pre configured SqueezeCenter. Our goal is to make VortexBox the easiest to use most functional backend for Squeezebox. If you have any comments on VortexBox or any features you would like us to add please post them here. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
agillis;400965 Wrote: [#8230;] Our goal is to make VortexBox the easiest to use most functional backend for Squeezebox. [#8230;] Cool. Keep it up! A-hem #8230; How about adding a preconfigured MusicIP Headless? And some nice GUI option to enter one#8217;s key for it? And run genpuid after a rip? #8230; ;-) -- Moonbase Moonbase: 'The Problem Solver' (http://www.kaufen-ist-toll.de/moonbase) Moonbase's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21594 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
Interesting, I didn't know about MusicIP. What does it do for you and how does it work? -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Couldn#8217;t live without it :-) Generates acoustic fingerprints for uniquely detecting music, uses these to create sound-alike mixes. (Also the system used behind the scenes with the MusicBrainz database, and BBC and last.fm use it.) AND it#8217;s supported by SqueezeCenter, so they#8217;d make a perfect match on VortexBox! More info: 'MusicIP Mixer' (http://musicip.com/mixer/index.jsp) 'MusicIP Forums' (http://forums.musicip.com/) 'Wiki: Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter) Now VortexBox with MIP included would be a shiny all-in-one solution! -- Moonbase Moonbase: 'The Problem Solver' (http://www.kaufen-ist-toll.de/moonbase) Moonbase's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21594 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
I'll look into it. Seem easy enough to install. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.4 released
Thanks for your interest! Really looking forward to whats coming out of it :-) -- Moonbase Moonbase: 'The Problem Solver' (http://www.kaufen-ist-toll.de/moonbase) Moonbase's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21594 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
