Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
andyg;346840 Wrote: The official word from Last.fm is that we don't need to enforce a skip limit. I've removed this so you should be able to skip as much as you like now. :) Brilliant news, good work. -- mattybain '[image: http://imagegen.last.fm/recenttracks3/recenttracks/MattyBain.gif]' (http://www.last.fm/user/MattyBain/?chartstyle=recenttracks3) mattybain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
The official word from Last.fm is that we don't need to enforce a skip limit. I've removed this so you should be able to skip as much as you like now. :) -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
Andy, you (and SD) rock! Thanks for asking the question. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
andyg;346840 Wrote: The official word from Last.fm is that we don't need to enforce a skip limit. I've removed this so you should be able to skip as much as you like now. :) That. Is. Great. THANKS! -- aubuti LinkStation HD-HG (debian) feeding: *Basement:* SB2 JVC JA-S44 ESS Tempest LS8; *Kitchen/Dining:* SB Duet AudioSource Amp100 2 pairs Polk RC60i; *Living room:* SB3 Technics SA-EX140 Bose Acoustimass 3; *Bedroom:* SB Boom + SBC; *Study:* SB Duet Klipsch ProMedia 2.0; *Kid's bedroom:* SB2 Klipsch ProMedia 2.0 aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
Graft stuff Andy, thank you very very much! -- autopilot *Server:* SC7.2 (Windows Vista 64) *Players:* Squeezebox 3 (main room) / Squeezebox Receiver (bedroom) / Softsqueeze (office). *Amps:* Cambridge Audio 640a (main room) / Trends TA10.1 Class-T / Logitech 5.1. *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom) / Logitech 5.1's. *Remotes:* Harmony One (IR) / 1 Beta SB Controller / 1 Official SB Controller. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
y360;327749 Wrote: The skip limit is required for lastfm radio to be in compliance with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. In contrast with on-demand music services such as Rhapsody, companies that stream music as radio channels do not need to get the agreement of the copyright holders before playing their music. They do have to pay royalties and abide by certain rules such as in any 3-hour period, they can broadcast: * No more than 3 songs from one album; no more than 2 played consecutively * No more than 4 songs from a set/compilation; no more than 3 played consecutively * No more than 4 recorded songs by the same artist etc The only exception to obtaining such explicit permissions is radio service, which can play any music without permission of music owners, but then it must abide by rules stated above. That's all well and good but why does LastFm's own player not have a skip limit? doesn't seem very fair. -- mattybain '[image: http://imagegen.last.fm/recenttracks3/recenttracks/MattyBain.gif]' (http://www.last.fm/user/MattyBain/?chartstyle=recenttracks3) mattybain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
There are also no skip limit on the web. The skip limit don't really make any sense. It forces me to listen to a track that I might not like. -- KasperLK KasperLK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
Just got my duet a couple of days ago. Bad buzz about the last.fm skip limit :/ Any developments? other than this irritation, it's a bloody brilliant contraption. love it to bits! -- disgaea disgaea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19262 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
The skip limit is required for lastfm radio to be in compliance with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. In contrast with on-demand music services such as Rhapsody, companies that stream music as radio channels do not need to get the agreement of the copyright holders before playing their music. They do have to pay royalties and abide by certain rules such as in any 3-hour period, they can broadcast: * No more than 3 songs from one album; no more than 2 played consecutively * No more than 4 songs from a set/compilation; no more than 3 played consecutively * No more than 4 recorded songs by the same artist etc The DMCA act also prevents listeners of radio services from being able to pause/resume within tracks, and mandates an hourly skip limit. In the context of the internet, music services that introduce on-demand features into their service are not considered to be radio anymore, and must receive permission from copyright holders to play their music. Thus every single track available in Rhapsody requires them to have a deal in place with the owner of the sound recording (typically a label, sometimes an artist/their company) and the owner of the publishing rights (usually a publishing company, and mostly administered by The Harry Fox Agency, an arm of the NMPA). Without those deals in place, Rhapsody would be violating copyright law. The only exception to obtaining such explicit permissions is radio service, which can play any music without permission of music owners, but then it must abide by rules stated above. -- y360 y360's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
thanks y360, this would tie in with the explanation I was given (set out in another thread) about the different kind of licence that is now required for the inbuilt plugin (at least in the UK) - which would explain why the skip limit appears using the inbuilt, but not with Squeezescrobbler. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
brookheather;323600 Wrote: There is also a bug when you reach your skip limit - if you press pause and then press play you just see the message about the skip limit - there doesn't seem to be anyway of resuming playback. Just found this myself. I am a subscriber and this skip limit is very new and also very annoying. -- mattybain '[image: http://imagegen.last.fm/recenttracks3/recenttracks/MattyBain.gif]' (http://www.last.fm/user/MattyBain/?chartstyle=recenttracks3) mattybain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
I has seen this from day one (with the official plugin), i think this is something that has been there for a while. I think you get rid of it by subscribing (?). -- autopilot *Server:* SC7.1b (Windows Vista 64) *Players:* Squeezebox 3 (main room) / Squeezebox Receiver (bedroom) / Softsqueeze (office). *Amps:* Cambridge Audio 640a (main room) / Trends TA10.1 Class-T / Logitech 5.1. *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom) / Logitech 5.1's. *Remotes:* Harmony One (IR) / 1 Beta SB Controller / 1 Official SB Controller. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
He is a subscriber: Siduhe;323318 Wrote: Using 7.2 and the inbuilt Last.fm plugin (as a *subscriber*) -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
Thanks all - I wonder if the skip limit now applies to everyone, which would explain why I haven't seen it before (as a subscriber). Or maybe the plugin doesn't deliver the necessary info to Last.fm (though I can see my loved tracks radio, so it definitely knows I am a subscriber). -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
Last.fm does have a skip limit, just like Pandora. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
Thanks Andy, do you know what it is? The only reason I ask is that I seem to be able to skip at will using the Last.fm client, certainly far more tracks than I can skip using the official Last.fm plugin. Would be interesting to compare. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
The limit is specified as part of their API response, but it's currently 6 I believe. I don't know why their official client doesn't use it. I'll ask if we could ignore it too. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
Thanks Andy. Just to confirm (because I just did another test), I can skip 10+ tracks using either the Last.fm client or the web interface without hitting the limit - maybe because I am a subscriber, or maybe it's just an API thing. Either way, it would be nice to extend the skip limit out a bit if it can be done - some of my Recommendations have been a bit wide of the mark recently! ;-) -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
There is also a bug when you reach your skip limit - if you press pause and then press play you just see the message about the skip limit - there doesn't seem to be anyway of resuming playback. -- brookheather brookheather's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4317 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
Using 7.2 and the inbuilt Last.fm plugin (as a subscriber) and came across something I've not seen before . While listening to my recommendations, where I tend to skip tracks I don't like and listen to the ones I do (to help Last.fm get my tastes), I got a pop up on the Controller which said you have exceeded your hourly skip limit. Is this a new feature or just one I've not seen before? Couldn't find anything on the Last.fm forums either. Strikes me as a bit odd, as I always understood you should Ban songs you hate, Love songs you really like, Listen to those you like and Skip the ones you're not that bothered about. Posting here because I've just tried the same using the Last.fm client and don't seem to have a problem skipping tracks at all... -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
The Pandora service on a Squeezebox has the same feature, although I have only ever hit the skip limit once. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hourly Skip Limit on Last.fm?
Had the same thing happen to me a few minutes ago, got a message on my SB3. Maybe if you skip too many, it's no longer considered radio and becomes more like on on demand service... -- JeffW JeffW's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7692 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50296 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
