Re: [slim] Re: SB sends no DHCP host name

2005-12-22 Thread Phil Karn

0xdeadbeef wrote:

Unfortunately, in my case the DHCP server is running on my DSL
modem/router and there's nothing to configure there. Though it should
give the SQ the same IP every time due to MAC caching, I have the
feeling it doesn't. Indeed, I observed at least 3 different IP
addresses in the few days since I obtained my SQ.
Then again, all devices whith a DHCP name get the same IP all the time.


You really need to trace the packets to know what's really going on, as 
I know of at least two different ways that a given host might keep a 
stable IP address.


First, the client might cache leases in nonvolatile memory across power 
cycles or reboots and simply request the previous IP address when 
rebooted. A DHCP server will almost always grant a request for a 
specific IP address as long as it's in that server's pool and no other 
client has a lease for it.


Second, the server might cache client MAC addresses and previous leases 
(expired or still valid) and reassign the previous IP address even when 
the client doesn't ask for it.


It's helpful to know the DHCP protocol exchange. A cold start looks 
like this:


Client: DHCPDISCOVER [who can give me an IP address?]
Server: DHCPOFFER a.b.c.d [I'm a DHCP server, and I can offer you this 
address]

Client: DHCPREQUEST a.b.c.d [I'd like to use this address]
Server: DHCPACK a.b.c.d [Okay, you've been officially granted this address]

A booting client that wants to use a previously assigned address will 
jump directly to the DHCPREQUEST message. The server can respond with a 
DHCPACK as before, or it can respond with a DHCPNAK (negative 
acknowledgement), rejecting the request. At this point the client will 
fall back to the DHCPDISCOVER step.


Ideally the Squeezebox would save DHCP leases across reboots, and your 
DHCP server would hand out very long leases to minimize the chances of 
that address being given to another client. But there are other ways to 
ensure that a Squeezebox always gets the same IP address, including 
bypassing DHCP altogether and assigning a static IP address.


That might be your best bet assuming your Squeezebox doesn't move often. 
Just make sure that you set up separate blocks of addresses for static 
use and dynamic assignment, so your DHCP server doesn't hand out the 
address already in use by your Squeezebox. DHCP clients are supposed to 
detect this by ARPing for an assigned address before actually using it, 
but it can fail if the conflicting host with the static assignment 
happens to be offline at the time.


--Phil



Phil
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[slim] Re: SB sends no DHCP host name

2005-12-15 Thread 0xdeadbeef

Unfortunately, in my case the DHCP server is running on my DSL
modem/router and there's nothing to configure there. Though it should
give the SQ the same IP every time due to MAC caching, I have the
feeling it doesn't. Indeed, I observed at least 3 different IP
addresses in the few days since I obtained my SQ.
Then again, all devices whith a DHCP name get the same IP all the time.


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