Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-11-25 Thread ReValveiT

Just done a series of 'null' tests:

SMS  iPeng iPad  Shairport4w Airport emulator  Sony Sound Forge (all
on same PC).

Null tested against:

iTunes  Sony Sound Forge.

Result? Total cancelation. Which means, iPeng outputs bit-perfect audio
through Airplay, AND Shairport4w is bit-perfect also.

All good then!



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-11-22 Thread pippin

OK, now here's the link again.

On the unaltered question, the general answer is yes, but there are
a few things you have to look at

- Depending on the dock, you might have to set the volume to 100%,
  although I'm not absolutely sure about this. iPeng itself doesn't
  manipulate the data or do replay gain calculations but iOS or the dock
  might do that if there is no analog volume control on the dock. In
  theory, USB audio supports modes to communicate volume information
  separately from the actual data (so that the actual stream doesn't
  have to be altered) and since iPeng only controls the iOS system
  volume I would in this case expect iOS to make use of this and also
  keep it's hands off the volume. Actually I'm inclined to believe that
  it's always doing this since it also doesn't volume control the
  line-out used with analog docks. So to sum up: I believe the
  communication will be bit-perfect independent of the volume setting
  but if you want to be absolutely sure, set the volume to 100%. If you
  are connecting just a DAC that doesn't have any analog control then
  you should be able to check this by testing whether the volume control
  in iPeng has any effect; it should not in this case.
- you need to disable iPeng's equalizer (the default) or set it to
  neutral. You can find it under the player settings in Audio.



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-11-22 Thread ReValveiT

pippin wrote: 
 OK, now here's the link again.
 
 On the unaltered question, the general answer is yes, but there are
 a few things you have to look at

  - Depending on the dock, you might have to set the volume to 100%,
   although I'm not absolutely sure about this. iPeng itself doesn't
   manipulate the data or do replay gain calculations but iOS or the
   dock might do that if there is no analog volume control on the dock.
   In theory, USB audio supports modes to communicate volume
   information separately from the actual data (so that the actual
   stream doesn't have to be altered) and since iPeng only controls the
   iOS system volume I would in this case expect iOS to make use of
   this and also keep it's hands off the volume. Actually I'm inclined
   to believe that it's always doing this since it also doesn't volume
   control the line-out used with analog docks. So to sum up: I believe
   the communication will be bit-perfect independent of the volume
   setting but if you want to be absolutely sure, set the volume to
   100%. If you are connecting just a DAC that doesn't have any analog
   control then you should be able to check this by testing whether the
   volume control in iPeng has any effect; it should not in this case.
  - you need to disable iPeng's equalizer (the default) or set it to
   neutral. You can find it under the player settings in Audio.
 

Really interesting info there, thanks for taking the time to reply.



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-11-21 Thread ReValveiT

Hi Pippin,

I have a Squeezebox Touch, iPeng for iPad, iPhone AND the playback
feature add-on. MANY THANKS INDEED!

But I'm curious; is iPeng capable of bit-perfect audio output through a
digital dock such as the Arcam drDock? (ie: does not do any additional
resampling/reprocessing and outputs' unaltered 16/44.1 data to the
DAC).

I know the Squeezebox Touch DOES output bit-perfect. Thanks for your
answer :)

Oh, and 'ouch' on your earlier iPad Mini prediction... ;)



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-11-21 Thread pippin

Yes, it is. Have a look at the blog linked at the top (can't post links
right now) about when and what.
And yes on the mini. I changed my mind when I read @jury's and Marco
Arment's analysis on the size



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-09-07 Thread steveeedster

This is great news Pippin, so basically an Ipod etc can now be plugged
into a dock that in turn can be plugged into my Hif-Fi via phono etc. 
This means we have a hardware solution going forward now the Logitech
have decided to dump on this community from a great height.

Do we have a screen shot of what the front end screen would look like
when playing, i.e. it would be nice to have a few 'player' options,
obviously a full colour album art display as one, or even a 'retro'
SB3/classic black screen look with scrolling text.  Maybe some things to
have fun developing for you Pippin going forward.

Thanks BTW Pippin, your fantastic software truly has made a difference
to this product as a whole :)



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-09-06 Thread pippin

New appdate :) for iPeng for iPad, 1.4.2
Only a single fix: iPeng no longer crashes when opening the screen saver
on iOS 4.x



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-09-04 Thread pippin

Here it is:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96304-Recommended-Docks-for-iPeng-Playback



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-09-03 Thread Squeezemenicely

Since for obvious reasons this thread has become even more interesting,
could you please add a list of good dockingstaions with SPDIF out?

So I guess for many out there it will be a good option to just buy an
iPod and a dockingstaion instead of a Touch in the future.
Or an iPod in a speakerdock instead of a boom or radio.

I already have seen that you are using the Pure-i Dock for the iPod,
that has a spdif out , but is a bit of an overkill, since it also has an
inbuilt DAC.
So what people with an external DAC without USB need, is a simple dock
with SPDIF out.


I just now for the first time played around with my iPad iPengHD and
controlled music on my iPhone - something that had not really come to my
mind before.
It works, so Squeezebox is dead - long live the Squeezebox (through our
developers her at the board)



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-09-03 Thread pippin

Squeezemenicely wrote: 
 Since for obvious reasons this thread has become even more interesting,
 could you please add a list of good dockingstaions with SPDIF out?
 
What format would that be in?
Obviously I haven't tested all the 1 gazillion iPod docks out there, we
only did extensive testing with the Camera Connection Kit and the Pure
i-20.

So the input would have to come from users. Would it make sense to have
a page on penguinlovesmusic.com where people can discuss and recommend
devices or should it be here on the forum (I believe it could get a bit
lost among the threads here)?



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-09-03 Thread epoch1970

pippin wrote: 
 (I believe it could get a bit lost among the threads here)?

Maybe in DIY ? Low volume sub-forum, the thread would stay easily afloat
I suppose. 
After all, the thing would be a DIY player.



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-09-03 Thread Squeezemenicely

pippin wrote: 
 
 So the input would have to come from users. Would it make sense to have
 a page on penguinlovesmusic.com where people can discuss and recommend
 devices or should it be here on the forum (I believe it could get a bit
 lost among the threads here)?

Sure maybe there should be an extra thread here - Dock tested with iPeng
and once in a while you could copy the info to your website.

I had a search there are not that many Docks with a SPDIF Output out
there and some can be pretty expensive.

I am sure this info will be very usefull, should users want to enlarge
their SB collection or one of their babies dies.



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-09-03 Thread pippin

Ok, I'll open one later today...



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-27 Thread pippin

There are now new iPeng updates in the App Store which fix a number of
smaller issues and some that obviously nobody found, yet :)

* direct PCM streaming does now work better
* iPeng works with iOS 6 and MySqueezebox.com again. The problem the old
version had IMHO isn't serious because it's clearly caused by an iOS 6
bug that Apple know about so I assume it will be fixed until the release
anyway but still, this iPeng version has a fix for the current betas.

There's now also a link to this page on the Lyrics screen saver in iPeng
for iPad, giving you hints how to get Lyrics in case you don't have
them, yet:
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/ipeng-the-iphone-skin-for-squeezecenter/how-to-use-the-ipeng-application/known-issues/lyrics-in-ipeng/



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-18 Thread chill

pippin wrote: 
 Don't hold your breath, I don't believe this is going to come this
 year.
 Released now, they would have no software for it and as opposed to
 Google, Apple usually doesn't do stupid things like that.

I know we should never read too much into the rumours, but leaked parts
for a new iThing seem to be appearing online now.  Is it possible that
it's screen resolution and features might exactly match an existing
iThing, so that in fact there would be a lot of software available for
it already?  Or is it always the case that every iThing has its own
references in the software?

pippin wrote: 
 BTW: One thing I never mentioned in any of the announcement (you could
 call it an easter egg) just came to my mind when somebody asked about
 master power in another thread:
 
 1. (I might have mentioned this one) If you hold the power button in
 iPeng, you can turn off all players (not only the ones in one sync
 group) connected to the current server (leave home feature)
 2. (I definitely did not mention this one) If you hold the play
 button while something's playing you get a sleep command that will
 enable sleep after current song for all playing players in the current
 sync group. I call it the sleep now button and I actually implemented
 it mainly for myself because I use it when I'm listening to music or
 audiobooks in bed and want to stop it but am already too much asleep to
 browse to sleep in the player settings. 
 I actually use it a lot so maybe somebody else finds it useful, too.

These are neat features.  Any chance you could add some more (all?) of
the sleep options to the play button?  I usually set my radio to sleep
after 30 minutes.



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-18 Thread pippin

Actually that's a good idea. Hope I don't forget it.



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-17 Thread bernt

Nice, this inspired me to turn an old iPhone 3g with broken glass in to
a SB Recevier.

To activate it without a SIM card I had to jailbrake it.

The rest was easy, just turn on Flight mode, turn on WiFi, turn of
everything else, sounds, notifications and stuff like that and install
iPeng and enable playback. Done.

To bad that a few pinns in the dock connector on the phone was broken so
I could not use the dock. But the headphone jack works for now.

Thanks!

/Bernt



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-17 Thread pippin

wildgoose wrote: 
 
 1) what is the hardware requirement of ipeng for ipod touch? I have a 1G
 and 2G ipod touch. It will be really nice if this can work with the
 original ipod touch..
 

There is something I need to add to this:

It is VERY likely that iPeng versions from a month on or so will no
longer support the 2G iTouch and the iPhone 3G (not 3GS). It might be (I
don't know) that it will be possible to make legacy versions available
then but as well it might not be. I can't comment on details since I'm
on iOS 6 NDA but it's not like I would have a choice as it looks right
now. It's also not iPeng specific but will probably affect all new
versions of most Apps.
It might change until release but that's what it currently looks like.

SO IF YOU USE ONE OF THESE DEVICES, MAKE SURE TO KEEP BACKUP COPIES OF
CURRENT IPENG RELEASES (I'D EXPECT AT LEAST ONE MORE THAT STILL SUPPORTS
THE DEVICES, THE ONE THAT IS ALREADY ON THE WAY).

BTW: those of you who already use iPeng under iOS 6 will have notices
that it crashes when you try to use MySqueezebox.com. I'll have a
workaround for that in the next iPeng update but it's actually a bug in
the iOS 6 beta, a pretty nasty one that's likely also causing a lot of
other crashes you might eventually see and that I assume will go away
until iOS 6 goes public, it's a known and documented issue.
Anyway, the workaround is on the way



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-16 Thread pippin

BTW: One thing I never mentioned in any of the announcement (you could
call it an easter egg) just came to my mind when somebody asked about
master power:

1. (I might have mentioned this one) If you hold the power button in
iPeng, you can turn off all players (not only the ones in one sync
group) connected to the current server (leave home feature)
2. (I definitely did not mention this one) If you hold the play
button while something's playing you get a sleep command that will
enable sleep after current song for all playing players in the current
sync group. I call it the sleep now button and I actually implemented
it mainly for myself because I use it when I'm listening to music or
audiobooks in bed and want to stop it but am already too much asleep to
browse to sleep in the player settings. 
I actually use it a lot so maybe somebody else finds it useful, too.



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-15 Thread chill

pippin wrote: 
 I've written a pretty long article on the new audio capabilities here:
 
 http://penguinlovesmusic.de/2012/08/14/ipeng-goes-audiophile/
 

I've just taken a look at your blog post.  I had somehow missed the
improved syncing that came with the previous release.  This is truly a
capable and impressive Squeezebox player now.  I'm holding out hope that
Apple will announce a 7 iPad in a few weeks time.  One of those sitting
in a USB dock and running iPeng would now make a very serious
alternative to a Squeezebox Touch.  Perhaps Logitech have seen the
writing on the wall and that's the reason they're not coming out with
any new players :)



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-15 Thread epoch1970

Heh. I came with a nasty idea to test the improved synching claim. I
hooked my iPhone to the line in port of my Boom, set it to always on
and then I synched the Boom and iPeng on a few songs I know perfectly
well. Both devices are on the wifi network, test songs were FLAC.

I expected disaster using this ridiculous setup. I found one or two
awkward moments, an occasional noticeable echo when skipping, and
otherwise normal sound. It suppose that leaving the iPhone alone is
better, although the iPhone seemed quite immune against my attempts at
putting it out of synch by doing other things (web surfin' with Safari)
while playing music.

I did not try the same test with a hardware player instead of iPeng.
This has made me curious. I think I'll try some more synching using a
regular setup.

You have my go to start making an iThing dock that looks as good as the
SB3 :)



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-15 Thread pippin

After skipping it may take a moment until it sync back completely. If it
gets out of sync during skipping, the server needs to process the
resulting timestamps to find out how much it's wrong and to compensate
for it.
Normal drift during playback should not get that far but be compensated
away much earlier.



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-15 Thread pippin

chill wrote: 
 I'm holding out hope that Apple will announce a 7 iPad in a few weeks
 time.

Don't hold your breath, I don't believe this is going to come this
year.
Released now, they would have no software for it and as opposed to
Google, Apple usually doesn't do stupid things like that.



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-15 Thread chill

pippin wrote: 
 Don't hold your breath, I don't believe this is going to come this
 year.
 Released now, they would have no software for it and as opposed to
 Google, Apple usually doesn't do stupid things like that.

Spoilsport.



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-14 Thread epoch1970

Using an iPad as a player is not exactly my use-case as I am not fond of
color-touch screens near my stereo; I mostly use playback on the iPhone
in-lieu of the iPod app. But I had experimented earlier with the dock
and camera accessory on an iPad hooked to a DAC, so I see the potential
with improved audio and synching.

The only missing feature is now, I guess, support for IR-Blaster…



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-14 Thread wildgoose

I am very interested in this. I was just thinking about whether I can
use my ipod touch and iphone I have around the house as a squeezebox
player. I already have a touch and classic player for my main stereo,
and would be very neat if I can bring the music to my other devices that
have ipod connectors.

A few questions:

1) what is the hardware requirement of ipeng for ipod touch? I have a 1G
and 2G ipod touch. It will be really nice if this can work with the
original ipod touch..

2) The playback feature is an in app purchase. What exactly does it
mean? I looked on your site and see some reference to iphone version +
ipad version = discounted playback. It's kinda confusing.. ;)

- If I buy iPeng for iphone, do I get the playback feature?

- If it costs extra to get this feature, how much extra? Do I need to
purchase this for every ipod touch, or purchase once (ipeng + playback)
and I can use it on all my iOS devices?

- My understanding is the standard iPeng can be purchased once, and used
on all my iOS devices correct? (like other Apps..)

Thanks!



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Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-14 Thread pippin

wildgoose wrote: 
 
 1) what is the hardware requirement of ipeng for ipod touch? I have a 1G
 and 2G ipod touch. It will be really nice if this can work with the
 original ipod touch..
 
There are both hardware requirements and software requirements.
You need at least iOS 4.2 and that rules out the 1G iPod.
Also, the 2G one will not support USB audio, I believe, but I'm not
completely sure.
The 2G will also not really support synchronization. We haven't really
found out, why that is, but on the ARM6-devices the timers don't seem to
be reliable. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and then it can be
out of sync with other player for up to 1s or so.
 
 2) The playback feature is an in app purchase. What exactly does it
 mean? I looked on your site and see some reference to iphone version +
 ipad version = discounted playback. It's kinda confusing.. ;)
 
It means that iPeng is a remote control and that the playback is an
additional feature for which you will have to pay extra.
If you own both iPeng for iPad and iPeng for iPhone, you get the feature
at a discount. This is primarily because what I really would want to do
is give a discount for people who buy both Apps but that's not possible
on the App Store...
 
 - If it costs extra to get this feature, how much extra? Do I need to
 purchase this for every ipod touch, or purchase once (ipeng + playback)
 and I can use it on all my iOS devices?
 - My understanding is the standard iPeng can be purchased once, and used
 on all my iOS devices correct? (like other Apps..)
 
I can't tell you the exact price unless I know where you are. In US$,
iPeng is currently selling at $5.99 and the playback feature at $4.99.
Plus sales tax.
As with all Apps, you can install the App on as many devices as you
like. The playback feature is a so called non-consumable feature
(sorry, not my term, Apple's) which means it doesn't expire or something
and you can use it on as many devices as you like.

There's one thing to be careful about if you use both iPeng for iPhone
and iPeng for iPad you are not protected against buying the
In-App-Purchase twice (by the App Store), however, it's still valid for
both, there are instructions on the web site and in the App on how to
make it work in both Apps. The short version is: if you use iCloud it
will all be automatic, otherwise it's more complicated.



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[slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-08-13 Thread pippin

iPeng just got new updates in the App Store (iPeng for iPhone 1.6/iPeng
for iPad 1.4).

The biggest change to the previous versions, once more, is on the audio
and playback side:

•   iPeng now supports extended sample rate audio when used with digital
outputs, e.g. using the iPad’s Camera Connection Kit kit, a dock
supporting USB audio, HDMI or AirPlay
•   iPhone and iPod touch support playback up to 24 bit / 48 kHz, iPad
with camera kit supports up to 24 bit / 96 kHz. Unsupported sample rates
up to 96 kHz will be downsampled.
•   On iOS 5 and newer, iPeng Playback now features a full 10-band
equalizer. It still offers the predefined equalizer settings used in the
previous versions, but you can now set the equalization values yourself
and define your own presets.

With these features, your iPhone/iPad /iPod touch with iPeng (and
Playback) and a digital dock can become a full-blown digital music
streamer with true audiophile capabilities.

I've written a pretty long article on the new audio capabilities here:

http://penguinlovesmusic.de/2012/08/14/ipeng-goes-audiophile/

So I don't want to repeat all of it in this post, just drop by and have
a look.



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