Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
The pre-construction phase is the perfect time to plan your whole-home audio system. Our corporate sales account manager Mark knew he wanted in-ceiling and outdoor speakers throughout his home. So when he set out to build his new house last year, he planned and built his audio system right along with it. Step 1 Decide where you want music A lot of people wait until their new house is built to decide where they want to put speakers. But if you plan before construction starts, you can choose the perfect locations for all your speakers. And it's a whole lot easier to run wires to them before the walls are in place! Step 2 Choose gear to power and control your system In-ceiling and outdoor speakers need power. So you'll need one or more amplifiers to hook them up. Mark chose a single 12-channel AudioSource amp that could direct power to all six of his in-ceiling and outdoor speaker locations. Step 3 Decide where your control center will go Step 4 Run wire and install speaker brackets and volume controls before the drywall goes up Ariandel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71891 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
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Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
It's a good idea to build a country house. Unfortunately, I don't know how you can make the whole house sound. With a question like that, I think you'd better go to a company specializing in residential real estate surveying. I have used https://www.sjonessurveying.co.uk/newcastle-surveyors/ several times before for home surveys. I have always had great communication with the surveyor. His review was outstanding and very detailed, and he provided numerous photos to support it. Thanks to his survey, I was able to resolve all building defects. I am very satisfied, recommend it 100%, and will definitely use it again if needed. voinicel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
Sounds interesting. Did you find an architect who will design your house? If not, there are many websites on the internet to find a good architect or a designer. When I built my house, firstly, I contacted someone from https://www.boutiquehomeplans.com/cost-to-build to help me with the design. So, first of all, I designed my house using a computer, and only after that I build it in reality. Firekeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71916 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
Apesbrain wrote: > For those rooms where I plan to have proper hi-fi equipment, I'd still > use a Squeezebox or Raspberry Pi emulator but for all the other rooms in > my house, I might use Google or Amazon devices. It's amazing the first > time you say, "Ok Google, play WCRB" or "Ok Google, who played bass on > Kind of Blue?" For casual listening, the fidelity is fine. And, when > desired, any of the Google devices can easily become LMS playback points > via the "Chromecast bridge" plugin. And the Amazon devices can become LMS playback points without even needing a plugin ... just by using the MediaServer skill. philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
For those rooms where I plan to have proper hi-fi equipment, I'd still use a Squeezebox or Raspberry Pi emulator but for all the other rooms in my house, I might use Google or Amazon devices. It's amazing the first time you say, "Ok Google, play WCRB" or "Ok Google, who played bass on Kind of Blue?" For casual listening, the fidelity is fine. And, when desired, any of the Google devices can easily become LMS playback points via the "Chromecast bridge" plugin. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
Kyle wrote: > We are considering building a vacation home. At our prior beach house, I > had a Squeezebox 3 hooked up to an old Windows laptop with FLAC files on > an external hard drive. We played through a compact stereo system in the > main room, which was basically the whole downstairs. I had a separate > SB1 that I sometimes ran with powered speakers on the porch. With a new > build, I am wondering about a wired whole-house system like we have at > home, or maybe even something wireless through wifi. Four zones will > probably suffice. I havent really kept up with whats available and > what works well these days, as what has been in place in our house for > at least 15 years still works well, except for needing the occasional > reset. So, Im looking for suggestions. If you were starting fresh, what > would you do? Id like to be able to use my digital files but also > stream, as I have SiriusXM and Amazon music. What do you recommend? I know it's a no go for many, but I have a ReadyNas/Pi soloution, that I have created a dyndns access to. I have nothing but music on it, so I am not so worried to open it to the Internet. In my Summerhouse I can connect to it and in my car too. Works exellent and have not had any issues at all. Been using this soloution since 2009. In my Summerhouse I have made an digital out of an iPad, using a camara kit into a USB HUB. Then digital in to a Benchmark DAC1 and a pair of powered JBL LSR305. Sounds great :). I have a 500/500 fiber conncection installed, but everything runs on wifi. Speed is over 350 mbs on wifi. So have no issues there. There is an annex in the Garden, and wifi is fine there too(mesh setup). I also have a UE Boombox that I use outside. I am really happy with this soloution... Callesoroe Living room: Transporter, Preamp Gato PRD-3S NPM, Martin Logan Vista speakers, Power-AMP Gato DPA-4004 (biamp setup). Kitchen: Transporter - Prodipe Pro 5 active bi-amp speakers. Bedroom: Receiver+UE boombox, Kids: Receiver+Active speakers, Guestroom: Touch - Bencmark DAC1, JBL LSR305 active speakers , TIDAL HIFI flac streaming. http://www.last.fm/user/callesoroe callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
Paul Webster wrote: > Especially if that next person plugs in a POE switch! Ha! And they are of course far more commonly used these days. I guess that all that would happen is that the POE box would likely indicate "not POE compliant"? On the other hand, how many of the "spare" 4 wires does POE use for power? Just 2 of them? So - with much faddling around - an 8-core with 2 wires inop might still be made to work for, say, a security camera? 4 wires of data, 2 of power? LMS 8.0.1 (1606118512) Win10 Control: Web GUI; sometimes OrangeSqueeze on Android phones / pads Machines / devices are in France, in two locations. a) Sagem Livebox Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), Desktop 3 x Touch - 2 wireless, 1 LAN. (7.8.0-r16754) 3 x SB Radios [2 wireless, 1 LAN] (7.7.3-r16676) 1 x Riva Arena (via Airplay LMS PlugIn) b) Freebox External SSD (all mp3), WiFi Laptop 1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:7.8.0-r16754) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (7.7.3-r16676) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
agbagb wrote: > it's important to make a physical note of that cross-wiring at both ends > of the run - otherwise, a few years later, you or somebody else could > get very confused! Especially if that next person plugs in a POE switch! Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
Very much agreed - my otherwise very good electrician had to be watched like a hawk when it came to the LAN, and he still didn't use the best of cables... nor did he know how to verify their integrity once pulled. I had one run that clearly had a fault that rendered it inoperative. And for assorted reasons it was impossible to pull another cable through. But I did come up with a work-round - ethernet cables and connectors typically have 8 wires, only 4 of which are used in the working circuit. I discovered that 2 of the normally used wires were broken, and therefore I could cross wire 2 of the "spares" to get me a working connection. Not a perfect solution (there are certain situations where you might want all 8 wires...), and it's important to make a physical note of that cross-wiring at both ends of the run - otherwise, a few years later, you or somebody else could get very confused! LMS 8.0.1 (1606118512) Win10 Control: Web GUI; sometimes OrangeSqueeze on Android phones / pads Machines / devices are in France, in two locations. a) Sagem Livebox Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), Desktop 3 x Touch - 2 wireless, 1 LAN. (7.8.0-r16754) 3 x SB Radios [2 wireless, 1 LAN] (7.7.3-r16676) 1 x Riva Arena (via Airplay LMS PlugIn) b) Freebox External SSD (all mp3), WiFi Laptop 1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:7.8.0-r16754) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (7.7.3-r16676) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
When we had the Big kitchen extension built I had 4 ceiling speakers installed and the electricians ran the cable to where a hifi cabinet could sit. But being electricians and not hifi people they did all the cable to the minimum length so one is 4 metres and two are 15 or so. Guess how it sounded Oh and they installed very cheap soft cat6 that is a nightmare to put plugs on, so beware of that one. Ensure you use tough stuff, I'm sure someone knows the terminology! One is broken in the wall and useless gvh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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double emphasis on @OldMojo points. Contractors left to their own devices often just don't get it. *Home:* VBA2.5 4TB -or- rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.0>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.0>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet except Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
As the others have said - over-plumb for connectivity! I'd go one step further and run it all in oversize conduit - even placing some empty runs for later possibilities. That way you can easily do new pulls if you have a flaky cable or if something new comes out. Think about what else you might be able to use wired network for - security cameras, home automation gizmos, etc. Don't forget about speaker outlets! If nothing else, conduit stubs running down the walls and opening out into the attic. In my experience, many contractors are way behind the curve in planning this type of thing, so you might want to get into the weeds with them. OldMojo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62532 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
I'd just turn my little SB Radio up LOUD But seriously, as others have said, ethernet cable everywhere, including closets, garages, workshops, outdoor panel by the BBQ, etc etc. It is so cheap to do when you're doing a big build or renovation; and can be a pain in the ass to add or move later. I have all my ethernet cables run back to my attached garage, where they all gather into a powered D-Link switch. And the router feeds into that as well, through the cabling, giving me reliable 'net access everywhere. I do still use wifi (not least because there is always somewhere where you didn't put a LAN outlet..), but copper wires are still mostly better. And my house is all stone, so adding more points is troublesome. LMS 8.0.1 (1606118512) Win10 Control: Web GUI; sometimes OrangeSqueeze on Android phones / pads Machines / devices are in France, in two locations. a) Sagem Livebox Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), Desktop 3 x Touch - 2 wireless, 1 LAN. (7.8.0-r16754) 3 x SB Radios [2 wireless, 1 LAN] (7.7.3-r16676) 1 x Riva Arena (via Airplay LMS PlugIn) b) Freebox External SSD (all mp3), WiFi Laptop 1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:7.8.0-r16754) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (7.7.3-r16676) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
Amazon Music is not yet solved in the LMS arena. You would have to use something else to select from it and then take the output from that as a source into an LMS environment and possibly miss out on cover art or even song name. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
You should get 10 SqueezeAMP, that would trigger the next batch build :-) Just kidding, they are WiFi only. Good luck with your project! LMS 7.9 on Pi 3B+ & Odroid-C2 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, Riva 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
Agreed with what GaryM says. Twenty years ago (actually a bit more) we built a house and I had it wired for audio in various ways. This was before streaming, of course, so ethernet to TV places worked out well in the long run, sort of unexpectedly. Ethernet to the potential office places, which is what we thought would be the primary use, has of course been excellent. We had identified the obvious place for the main stereo system, some distance from the main listening area, and ran speaker wire through the walls to the two main listening areas (kitchen/living room). Cheap to do and a great boon. What we hadn't predicted was the need for ethernet (preferable in principle to wifi) for what became the Transporter shelf of the stereo setup. I drilled a hole in the floor, giving wired access to the basement near where the router was. Regrettable, but necessary. So I agree, the more in-wall wiring of various kinds the better. If you are building an actual dedicated system from scratch, from what I see you can't go wrong with rPi/PiCorePlayer as a host for LMS. I don't have one yet, but have the parts and will build shortly. They are so cheap that you could have multiple units set up. If you had an actual player of some sort (e.g. a Radio) in a bedroom, for instance, it could be running a different playlist than the device supporting the living room. OTOH, I've had no problems at all with a very small fanless Windows device as my main server. These small Windows machines are popular and readily available, at modest cost -- although not as dirt cheap as the rPi. I suppose the biggest issue is the questionable likelihood of continuing support for LMS on the Windows platform, which is subject to significant and fairly constant evolution. R. LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Building a house: what would you do for whole-house audio?
For new construction or major renovation there are lots of choices, but at a minimum, no matter what else I do, and whether I even need it or not, I'd do the following: 0. I'd still use LMS and squeezeboxes or squeezebox replacements (rPi with piCoreplayer OS). You can stream your own music and lots of internet streaming (but not SiriusXM, at least without some other messing about). 1. runs of ethernet cable (and probably runs of fiber optics at the same time) to at least two locations in each room (probably two runs to each location). Just think of this as electrical outlets... you don't know exactly where you'll need them. 2. All those ethernet/fiber runs will head back to a single panel, where they can be connected to a switch, the modem/router, etc. fed from outside the house. 3. There needs to be good runs back to some back room/closet/cabinet where you can set a headless computer music server, where it is out of sight, out of mind, and noise, fans, etc. are irrelvant to the music listening spaces. 3. When I say all rooms, I mean all. Running cable in open walls is dirt cheap. In a major restoration, we ran ethernet to everything, including bathrooms. But I didn't run to my wife's large walk in closet or the back utility room. I now have music in those areas with Squeezeboxes on WIFI or ethernet over powerline. Who knew my wife wanted to hear stuff in her closet in the mornings! 4. You'll want to run cable for cable TV, etc., even if you don't think you'll need it. Someone might, and again, easy and cheap. 5. I'm old school from the days before networked systems that could play synched music to different endpoints, but I'd also figure out a place or two where I might have major stereo system (amp/preamp) and then run quality speaker wire from every room back to those central points, in case I want to ever use some central distributed music system. Again, wiring is cheap when walls are open. 6. You might want in ceiling/wall speakers in some places (bedrooms, etc). Running speaker wiring for those back to a central place where you can have several rPis set up as players with miniamps/dacs, etc. would allow music in rooms with no need for systems in those rooms. And these systems can be controlled via phone apps, etc. I'm sure I'm forgetting somethings, but you get the drift. Over do the cables! If you have the right wiring, you have unlimited choices. WIFI works, but why even try, when you have open walls! *Home:* VBA2.5 4TB -or- rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.0>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.0>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet except Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
