[discuss] Re: People trying to make money on openoffice.org

2011-08-24 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2011/8/23 Daniel Winje :
> hi there, I just wanted to let you fine people over at openoffice.org to
> know that there are people out there trying to make money in your name.
> how do i know this? well i was sufring the net and looking for a new edition
> of openoffice when i i came over this site witch was telling you how good
> openoffice is and sutch (witch i allready know)
> and they posted a link to a download (by all means this is quite normal,
> witch was my thoughs at the time) so i klicked on the link and starte the
> download witch was described to be 141 mb but was only 665kb or something,
> odd. then i scaned it for virus and sutch, all ok and then i opened it
> to find out that it was a downloader (never seen an openoffice downloader
> before) and my thought was oh well ok, this is new, so i klicked my way
> through it and then it asked me to send a text message to 1963 with the
> message MAP so that i would get a code to unlock the download.
> Thing is that it costs you 40 kr (says so in the downloader) to send the
> message, about 4 € if 1€ = 10 kr (not sure at the moment). SO, what the
> fuck? hehe
> Could not see that you in any way had agreed to it, so i thought i would
> lett you know :)
>
> heres a link to the site: http://studio-no.net/openoffice.php
>
> its in norwegian sadly.
>
> any how,
> Thanks for your time.
> -Daniel Winje

I have seen this kind of thing many times and in most case it's
nothing illegal about it at all. In this case I don't really see why
anyone would like to download it from their site. Why would you want
to use a downloader? That way you need Windows to download it. If you
download OpenOffice.org from http://www.openoffice.org/ instead, you
need no downloader and you don't need Winwows.


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
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[discuss] Re: People trying to make money on openoffice.org

2011-08-23 Thread NoOp
On 08/23/2011 02:23 PM, RA Brown wrote:
...
> Well, it seems  like it is valid page.  Reply from the ooo-dev list says:
> 
> "Let me try:
> 
> - I've downloaded the file without that someone wanted to have money or 
> a registration from me.
> 
> - The mirror "http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/"; where the download comes from is 
> an officoal mirror of the (old) OOo project.
> 
> - The MD5 sum is exactly the same as if you would download the file from 
> here:
> http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/localized/nb/3.3.0/OOo_3.3.0_Win_x86_install-wJRE_nb.exe
> 
> - The text says: "Lisens: Freeware"
> OK, it's not the correct license but you can get indeed the software for 
> free.
> 
> At the moment I don't see a problem."
> 
> If there is a charge it is legal, the files are from a valid OOo mirror 
> site, the file has not been tampered with so no virus.

*If there is a charge *and* they were using a US Government funded
server (i.e., a public university), then it *may* be illegal depending
upon the policies of the host/mirror. In the past the 'charge for a free
link' scams were using US public university mirrors, some with policies
against this. This doesn't seem to be the case here as they are not
charging any fee(s), but it's always worth checking.




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[discuss] Re: People trying to make money on openoffice.org

2011-08-23 Thread RA Brown

Daniel Winje wrote:

hi there, I just wanted to let you fine people over at openoffice.org to
know that there are people out there trying to make money in your name.
how do i know this? well i was sufring the net and looking for a new edition
of openoffice when i i came over this site witch was telling you how good
openoffice is and sutch (witch i allready know)
and they posted a link to a download (by all means this is quite normal,
witch was my thoughs at the time) so i klicked on the link and starte the
download witch was described to be 141 mb but was only 665kb or something,
odd. then i scaned it for virus and sutch, all ok and then i opened it
to find out that it was a downloader (never seen an openoffice downloader
before) and my thought was oh well ok, this is new, so i klicked my way
through it and then it asked me to send a text message to 1963 with the
message MAP so that i would get a code to unlock the download.
Thing is that it costs you 40 kr (says so in the downloader) to send the
message, about 4 € if 1€ = 10 kr (not sure at the moment). SO, what the
fuck? hehe
Could not see that you in any way had agreed to it, so i thought i would
lett you know :)

heres a link to the site: http://studio-no.net/openoffice.php

its in norwegian sadly.

any how,
Thanks for your time.
-Daniel Winje


Well, it seems  like it is valid page.  Reply from the ooo-dev list says:

"Let me try:

- I've downloaded the file without that someone wanted to have money or 
a registration from me.


- The mirror "http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/"; where the download comes from is 
an officoal mirror of the (old) OOo project.


- The MD5 sum is exactly the same as if you would download the file from 
here:

http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/localized/nb/3.3.0/OOo_3.3.0_Win_x86_install-wJRE_nb.exe

- The text says: "Lisens: Freeware"
OK, it's not the correct license but you can get indeed the software for 
free.


At the moment I don't see a problem."

If there is a charge it is legal, the files are from a valid OOo mirror 
site, the file has not been tampered with so no virus.


If anything changes I will post back.

Andy
New home for OpenOffice.org:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/

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[discuss] Re: People trying to make money on openoffice.org

2011-08-23 Thread David B Teague sr

On 8/23/2011 4:18 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 16:50, RA Brown  wrote:

  They also have to have at least as link to the source so that anyone can
download it.  I do not understand Norwegian so I can not tell how close they
are crossing the line.

What is amazing is that people continue to do these kind of things
without knowing that someone, someday, is going to find out and report
back to the developers

FC
I used Google translate to see the page in English. I found no reference 
to authorship on the page I looked at. There also is no link to the 
source apparent, but I had to go looking for the the source for OO.o and 
LO. All that is required (I think I have this right) that the source 
code be made available at a cost no greater than actual cost of 
providing it. For binaries, you can charge what the market will bear. 
Not the GPL's words, but close.


As I recall, the FSF charged a chunk of money (perhaps a couple 
hundred?) in the mid 80s for tapes of Emacs and Gnu C sources. That was 
a hell of a lot of money back then.


My point is: It is not illegal to sell binaries if the source is made 
available, and the authors are acknowledged.  Is either of these being done?


--David Teague

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[discuss] Re: People trying to make money on openoffice.org

2011-08-23 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 16:50, RA Brown  wrote:
>  They also have to have at least as link to the source so that anyone can
> download it.  I do not understand Norwegian so I can not tell how close they
> are crossing the line.

What is amazing is that people continue to do these kind of things
without knowing that someone, someday, is going to find out and report
back to the developers

FC
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[discuss] Re: People trying to make money on openoffice.org

2011-08-23 Thread RA Brown

Daniel Winje wrote:

hi there, I just wanted to let you fine people over at openoffice.org to
know that there are people out there trying to make money in your name.
how do i know this? well i was sufring the net and looking for a new edition
of openoffice when i i came over this site witch was telling you how good
openoffice is and sutch (witch i allready know)
and they posted a link to a download (by all means this is quite normal,
witch was my thoughs at the time) so i klicked on the link and starte the
download witch was described to be 141 mb but was only 665kb or something,
odd. then i scaned it for virus and sutch, all ok and then i opened it
to find out that it was a downloader (never seen an openoffice downloader
before) and my thought was oh well ok, this is new, so i klicked my way
through it and then it asked me to send a text message to 1963 with the
message MAP so that i would get a code to unlock the download.
Thing is that it costs you 40 kr (says so in the downloader) to send the
message, about 4 € if 1€ = 10 kr (not sure at the moment). SO, what the
fuck? hehe
Could not see that you in any way had agreed to it, so i thought i would
lett you know :)

heres a link to the site: http://studio-no.net/openoffice.php

its in norwegian sadly.

any how,
Thanks for your time.
-Daniel Winje


Let me do this again.  First is not illegal to sell open source 
software, companies do it all the time.  The problem comes in if they 
represent themselves as the developer of the program, in this case 
OpenOffice.org.  They also have to have at least as link to the source 
so that anyone can download it.  I do not understand Norwegian so I can 
not tell how close they are crossing the line.  I have send a message to 
the new development team at ooo-...@incubator.apache.org to see if 
someone can look into it.


Andy

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[discuss] Re: People trying to make money on openoffice.org

2011-08-23 Thread RA Brown

Daniel Winje wrote:

hi there, I just wanted to let you fine people over at openoffice.org to
know that there are people out there trying to make money in your name.
how do i know this? well i was sufring the net and looking for a new edition
of openoffice when i i came over this site witch was telling you how good
openoffice is and sutch (witch i allready know)
and they posted a link to a download (by all means this is quite normal,
witch was my thoughs at the time) so i klicked on the link and starte the
download witch was described to be 141 mb but was only 665kb or something,
odd. then i scaned it for virus and sutch, all ok and then i opened it
to find out that it was a downloader (never seen an openoffice downloader
before) and my thought was oh well ok, this is new, so i klicked my way
through it and then it asked me to send a text message to 1963 with the
message MAP so that i would get a code to unlock the download.
Thing is that it costs you 40 kr (says so in the downloader) to send the
message, about 4 € if 1€ = 10 kr (not sure at the moment). SO, what the
fuck? hehe
Could not see that you in any way had agreed to it, so i thought i would
lett you know :)

heres a link to the site: http://studio-no.net/openoffice.php

its in norwegian sadly.

any how,
Thanks for your time.
-Daniel Winje


Thanks for the information.  Will pass it on.

Andy
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