Re: [ovs-discuss] Flow miss/Packet order question

2012-04-27 Thread Joji Mtt
I currently do not have a real scenario where I have run into this problem.

However, it is easy to see real scenarios where I could run into this. As
you said, most flows start off with a single packet and wait for a
response. But, there is also the flow eviction mechanism which would bring
this into play mid-flow. There is also the UDP traffic which does not have
a ramp up mechanism. Yes, the window is small. But, I think it is real and
could problems for some applications.

-Joji


On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Ben Pfaff b...@nicira.com wrote:

 It isn't commonly a problem in practice because flows most often start
 off with a single packet and wait for a return packet before ramping up
 packet volume.  I've been aware of the issue for years, but you are the
 only other person I ever recall bringing it up on the mailing lists.

 Do you have a real situation (not a hypothetical scenario) where you see
 this causing trouble?

 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:06:29AM +0600, junaid khalid wrote:
  Are you planning to solve this problem in near future or do you have any
  suggestions to mitigate this problem?
 
  On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:37 AM, Ben Pfaff b...@nicira.com wrote:
 
   On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 01:33:56PM -0700, Joji Mtt wrote:
I am trying to figure out if there would be a packet order issue
 with the
current version of OVS. Consider a case where a controller has added
 a
forwarding rule for a specific flow (Flow A) and this rule is not yet
installed in the DP. In this scenario, it is conceivable that certain
(bursty) traffic patterns on Flow A can result in the packets being
 sent
out of order. E.g. consider an initial burst of 5 packets that miss
 the
kernel flow table, followed by several subsequent packets arriving at
random intervals. As soon as the userspace processes the flow miss,
 it
   will
install a rule in the kernel. Depending on the relative timing of the
   rule
installation, any of these subsequent packets could get switched
 directly
by the kernel before the previous packets that took the slow path
 could
   get
forwarded. I couldn't find any special handling to cover this case.
 Most
likely it is already handled and I am just missing the part where it
 is
done. Could anyone clarify this for me?
  
   Yes, it's possible to get out-of-order packets for this reason.
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[ovs-discuss] Flow miss/Packet order question

2012-04-25 Thread Joji Mtt
Hi-

I am trying to figure out if there would be a packet order issue with the
current version of OVS. Consider a case where a controller has added a
forwarding rule for a specific flow (Flow A) and this rule is not yet
installed in the DP. In this scenario, it is conceivable that certain
(bursty) traffic patterns on Flow A can result in the packets being sent
out of order. E.g. consider an initial burst of 5 packets that miss the
kernel flow table, followed by several subsequent packets arriving at
random intervals. As soon as the userspace processes the flow miss, it will
install a rule in the kernel. Depending on the relative timing of the rule
installation, any of these subsequent packets could get switched directly
by the kernel before the previous packets that took the slow path could get
forwarded. I couldn't find any special handling to cover this case. Most
likely it is already handled and I am just missing the part where it is
done. Could anyone clarify this for me?

Thanks,
Joji
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