Re: Questions about the IF signal processing structure of USRP N210

2022-11-12 Thread Marcus D. Leech

On 12/11/2022 06:58, Ze Zhang wrote:

Hello Kyeong Su Shin

Thanks very much for your kindly reply.
First, the information about the software radio structure contains 
three kinds, which are Low-pass sampling architecture, RF direct 
band-pass sampling architecture, and IF band-pass sampling 
architecture. Among them, according to the second generation USRP 
structure, only the IF band-pass structure is designed for analog 
down-conversion.


The N210's structure(reference attachment) contains the DDC notation. 
And DDC contains the digital down conversion. As you 
mentioned thelow-frequency IF stage is optional.  Does this mean that 
the digital shifting in the IF is to adjust for the bias caused by the 
previous down-conversion?  Or this step can be controlled by command.


It is frequently the case that the frequency "step size" of a 
synthesized down/up-converter is finite and somewhat large.
  So, among other things, the DDCs are there to make sure that the I/Q 
signal delivered to the host computer is at exactly

  0Hz.

This process is normally completely automatic, but fine control over it 
is documented here:


https://files.ettus.com/manual/page_general.html#general_tuning

You haven't shared which daughtercard you're using with yoru N210--the 
details will change depending on which daughtercard.








Kyeong Su Shin  于2022年11月11日周五 16:52写道:

Hello Ze Zhang:

First, there is a dedeicated mailing list for USRP-specific
questions: USRP-users. https://kb.ettus.com/Mailing_Lists

"the information mentioned that the common structure for all USRPs
is the IF bandpass sampling structure," -> where did you find this
information? This is, in general, not true. USRP N200/N210s,
especially, usually default to zero-IF (direct conversion) mode
(not always, though).

In case of the USRP N200s/N210s, daughterboards implement the
RF/IF (if exists) stages of the transceivers and the motherboards
implement the baseband and the digital stages of the transceivers.
The daughterboards often do not have any IF stages, and directly
convert the signal to the baseband. The motherboards CAN implement
a low-frequency IF stage by digitally shifting the baseband
signals before the decimation stage. This is optional, and not
used by default.

Regards,
Kyeong Su Shin

*보낸 사람:* Ze Zhang  대신
discuss-gnuradio-bounces+ksshin=postech.ac...@gnu.org

*보낸 날짜:* 2022년 11월 11일 금요일 오후 3:56
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*제목:* Questions about the IF signal processing structure of USRP
N210

Hi,

I am using the URSP N210, and have some questions regarding the
internal IF (intermediate frequency) signal processing structure
of USRP N210.

In the websites, the information mentioned that the common
structure for all USRPs is the IF bandpass sampling structure, and
in the previous

question(https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnuradio/2013-09/msg7.html)
it was mentioned that USRP N210 is the common second generation
USRP structure.

So is there any difference between the second-generation USRP
structure and the digital IF transceiver structure? Also, what is
the IF frequency range of the RF signal received by the N210 after
analog down-conversion?

Is it possible to get the value of the local oscillator frequency
or the value of IF frequency by the setting carrier frequency?




Re: Questions about the IF signal processing structure of USRP N210

2022-11-12 Thread Ze Zhang
Hello Kyeong Su Shin

Thanks very much for your kindly reply.
First, the information about the software radio structure contains three
kinds, which are Low-pass sampling architecture, RF direct band-pass
sampling architecture, and IF band-pass sampling architecture. Among them,
according to the second generation USRP structure, only the IF band-pass
structure is designed for analog down-conversion.

The N210's structure(reference attachment) contains the DDC notation. And
DDC contains the digital down conversion. As you mentioned the low-frequency
IF stage is optional.  Does this mean that the digital shifting in the IF
is to adjust for the bias caused by the previous down-conversion?  Or this
step can be controlled by command.





Kyeong Su Shin  于2022年11月11日周五 16:52写道:

> Hello Ze Zhang:
>
> First, there is a dedeicated mailing list for USRP-specific questions:
> USRP-users. https://kb.ettus.com/Mailing_Lists
>
> "the information mentioned that the common structure for all USRPs is the
> IF bandpass sampling structure," -> where did you find this information?
> This is, in general, not true. USRP N200/N210s, especially, usually default
> to zero-IF (direct conversion) mode (not always, though).
>
> In case of the USRP N200s/N210s, daughterboards implement the RF/IF (if
> exists) stages of the transceivers and the motherboards implement the
> baseband and the digital stages of the transceivers. The daughterboards
> often do not have any IF stages, and directly convert the signal to the
> baseband. The motherboards CAN implement a low-frequency IF stage by
> digitally shifting the baseband signals before the decimation stage. This
> is optional, and not used by default.
>
> Regards,
> Kyeong Su Shin
> --
> *보낸 사람:* Ze Zhang  대신
> discuss-gnuradio-bounces+ksshin=postech.ac...@gnu.org
> 
> *보낸 날짜:* 2022년 11월 11일 금요일 오후 3:56
> *받는 사람:* discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org 
> *제목:* Questions about the IF signal processing structure of USRP N210
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am using the URSP N210, and have some questions regarding the internal
> IF (intermediate frequency) signal processing structure of USRP N210.
>
> In the websites, the information mentioned that the common structure for
> all USRPs is the IF bandpass sampling structure, and in the previous
> question(
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnuradio/2013-09/msg7.html)
> it was mentioned that USRP N210 is the common second generation USRP
> structure.
>
> So is there any difference between the second-generation USRP
> structure and the digital IF transceiver structure? Also, what is the IF
> frequency range of the RF signal received by the N210 after analog
> down-conversion?
>
> Is it possible to get the value of the local oscillator frequency or the
> value of IF frequency by the setting carrier frequency?
>
>