Re: [ACFUG Discuss] openCFML Foundation

[Cheyenne Throckmorton]

Josh, you may have only meant to reply to John, but you did bring back some
serious old schoolness to the list, particularly with Adam chiming in.  We
must be getting close to 10 full years of presidential terms for ACFUG on
this thread alone.

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:

> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Adam Churvis <
> a...@productivityenhancement.com> wrote:
>
>> PS-- Cameron, were you at the Hadoop meeting last night?
>>
>
> No, didn't make it.  I've been going to some cloud and startup stuff, and
> did join the "BigData" Meetup recently, but I don't think they've had any
> meetings yet.
>
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] New Testing Lab - Device Lab Atlanta

[Ajas Mohammed]

Great Idea. This would be perfect for Mobile developers.

I just finished the feedback form. :-)


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On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:28 PM, John Mason  wrote:

>  Very cool idea.
>
>
>
> On 5/18/12 2:10 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
>  Slightly off topic for some, but of value to many of you I am sure...
>  Device Lab Atlanta is looking for feedback.
>
>  "Device Lab Atlanta is an on premise testing lab located in Midtown
> Atlanta. For a small fee, you can visit our lab to test and debug your
> apps. You’ll get your own workspace, and access to any device you need
> while you’re here."
>
> There's an interest list signup here:
> http://devicelabatlanta.com
>
> There's an optional followup survey after you indicate interest. Feel free
> to tweet / forward the link out if you find this type of facility
> worthwhile.
>
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] New Testing Lab - Device Lab Atlanta

[John Mason]

Very cool idea.


On 5/18/12 2:10 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
Slightly off topic for some, but of value to many of you I am sure... 
 Device Lab Atlanta is looking for feedback.


"Device Lab Atlanta is an on premise testing lab located in Midtown 
Atlanta. For a small fee, you can visit our lab to test and debug your 
apps. You’ll get your own workspace, and access to any device you need 
while you’re here."


There's an interest list signup here:
http://devicelabatlanta.com

There's an optional followup survey after you indicate interest. Feel 
free to tweet / forward the link out if you find this type of facility 
worthwhile.


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[ACFUG Discuss] New Testing Lab - Device Lab Atlanta

[Cameron Childress]

Slightly off topic for some, but of value to many of you I am sure...
 Device Lab Atlanta is looking for feedback.

"Device Lab Atlanta is an on premise testing lab located in Midtown
Atlanta. For a small fee, you can visit our lab to test and debug your
apps. You’ll get your own workspace, and access to any device you need
while you’re here."

There's an interest list signup here:
http://devicelabatlanta.com

There's an optional followup survey after you indicate interest. Feel free
to tweet / forward the link out if you find this type of facility
worthwhile.

-Cameron

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] openCFML Foundation

[Cameron Childress]

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Adam Churvis <
a...@productivityenhancement.com> wrote:

> PS-- Cameron, were you at the Hadoop meeting last night?
>

No, didn't make it.  I've been going to some cloud and startup stuff, and
did join the "BigData" Meetup recently, but I don't think they've had any
meetings yet.

-Cameron

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] openCFML Foundation

[Adam Churvis]

> I'd expect Adobe to take 12 to 16 or more financial quarters of profits on
> CF before making any big changes though...

I don't believe Adobe has made a profit on CF for quite a while.

Unless I've missed my guess, CF10 is a Hail Mary Pass investment by
Adobe to see if it can gain relevance with its very best efforts.
They'd really much rather stop having its healthy divisions subsidize
CF's further development.  They also have trend charts showing who
develops on what, and impartial third-party analysts that tell them
why.

Adobe doesn't publicize a breakdown of which products rake in the most
revenue, or post profits by division.  By hiding this data, investors
see a big portfolio of diverse products that look great on the skin
packaging, which in turn inflates their perception of value in the
company's stock.  If shareholders saw the details then they would
demand some serious surgery.

Maybe over the past six years since I made my original statement,
people have come to understand a bit more of the true motivations of
large corporations, especially since those motivations are codified
into federal laws that prevent these publicly-traded companies from
doing anything that is not in the *sole* interest of the shareholder.

This is what I tried to communicate six years ago with the intimation
that Adobe was only interested in increasing its stock price, and that
that would come at the expense of everyone else -- this list's
participants included.

In trying to illuminate something I thought others were blinded from
seeing by their love for the product, I ended up hurting a lot of
feelings and making many people very angry.  I hope this time it comes
across in a kinder, gentler form that people will find more agreeable.
 It also helps that many are seeing the writing on the walls.

Adam

PS-- Cameron, were you at the Hadoop meeting last night?


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] openCFML Foundation

[Cameron Childress]

To be fair, you said that in Nov of '06, and it's still not happened yet
(though I also now think that it will).

I'd expect Adobe to take 12 to 16 or more financial quarters of profits on
CF before making any big changes though...

Good to see you still lurking on the list!

-Cameron

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Adam Churvis <
a...@productivityenhancement.com> wrote:

> Hey, remember the firestorm over this:
>
> "Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively
> soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via
> the open source route as well, rather than by trying to dump it on
> another company."
>
> Caught about twelve yards of hell over that one.
>
> It will be interesting to see what happens.
>
> I hope everyone's doing well.  Been a long time.
>
> Adam
>
> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM, John Mason  wrote:
> > Indeed some interesting moves lately.
> >
> > And just to be clear, I actually think that could be the best possible
> > future for CF going forward. Sort like with Spoon.as/Apache and Flex, it
> > could provide a new chance for life. The corporate Adobe umbrella I think
> > has been more of a problem than anything, so finally breaking free might
> be
> > the best possible way for CF to find new ground. Adobe has bigger
> challenges
> > anyway, so it would help them to stay focused on their core issues.
> >
> > John
> > ma...@fusionlink.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/18/12 7:16 AM, Mark Fennell wrote:
> >>
> >> Perhaps JM's call of the last Adobe CF is more real than speculation and
> >> Adobe is planning on releasing CF into the open source universe much
> like it
> >> did with action script. It would be a stretch, but perhaps Blue River
> picked
> >> up on that in conversations with Adobe and kicked up involvement in the
> Open
> >> CFML Foundation? All of this is mere speculation.
> >>
> >> On 5/18/2012 1:03 AM, Charlie Arehart wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well they've sailed still farther out of the harbor:
> http://img.ly/imYv
> >>>
> >>> /charlie
> >>>
> >>>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Josh
> Adams
>  Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:53 PM
>  To: discussion@acfug.org
>  Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] openCFML Foundation
> 
>  Well, okay: I meant to send that reply back only to John, not to the
> >>>
> >>> entire
> 
>  discussion list.
> 
>  But since I did send it to the list, let me add a little clarity: last
> >>>
> >>> year the
> 
>  ColdFusion BU was in discussions with Blue River (the makers of the
> mura
>  content management system) about partnering for mutual promotion
> (Adobe
>  of
>  mura and Blue River of ColdFusion). It seemed to me good progress was
> >>>
> >>> being
> 
>  made there so I was therefore surprised to see Blue River's
> involvement
>  in
> >>>
> >>> the
> 
>  Open CFML Foundation. Clearly in the intervening months the Blue River
> >>>
> >>> guys
> 
>  have had a change of heart about what's best for their business--and
> as
>  I
> >>>
> >>> said, I
> 
>  take no exception with that but it is of course disappointing from the
> >>>
> >>> Adobe
> 
>  perspective.
> 
>  Josh
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On 5/17/12 10:46 PM, "Josh Adams"  wrote:
> 
> > Are you at cf.Objective()? Or just following news online?
> >
> > It's interesting to me that the Blue River guys are involved in this:
> > just in August I thought we were making good progress in relationship
> > with them. I guess things have changed. I brought this to the
> attention
> > of the ColdFusion team when I heard about it; from there it's up to
> > them how to handle Blue River. Disappointing from an Adobe
> perspective
> > (though I certainly don't begrudge the Blue River guys doing what
> they
> > deem best for their business).
> >
> > Josh
> >
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] openCFML Foundation

[John Mason]

Wow, it's indeed been a while. Hope all is well for you Adam.

John

On 5/18/12 9:57 AM, Adam Churvis wrote:

Hey, remember the firestorm over this:

"Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively
soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via
the open source route as well, rather than by trying to dump it on
another company."

Caught about twelve yards of hell over that one.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

I hope everyone's doing well.  Been a long time.

Adam

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM, John Mason  wrote:

Indeed some interesting moves lately.

And just to be clear, I actually think that could be the best possible
future for CF going forward. Sort like with Spoon.as/Apache and Flex, it
could provide a new chance for life. The corporate Adobe umbrella I think
has been more of a problem than anything, so finally breaking free might be
the best possible way for CF to find new ground. Adobe has bigger challenges
anyway, so it would help them to stay focused on their core issues.

John
ma...@fusionlink.com




On 5/18/12 7:16 AM, Mark Fennell wrote:

Perhaps JM's call of the last Adobe CF is more real than speculation and
Adobe is planning on releasing CF into the open source universe much like it
did with action script. It would be a stretch, but perhaps Blue River picked
up on that in conversations with Adobe and kicked up involvement in the Open
CFML Foundation? All of this is mere speculation.

On 5/18/2012 1:03 AM, Charlie Arehart wrote:

Well they've sailed still farther out of the harbor: http://img.ly/imYv

/charlie



-Original Message-
From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Josh Adams
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:53 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] openCFML Foundation

Well, okay: I meant to send that reply back only to John, not to the

entire

discussion list.

But since I did send it to the list, let me add a little clarity: last

year the

ColdFusion BU was in discussions with Blue River (the makers of the mura
content management system) about partnering for mutual promotion (Adobe
of
mura and Blue River of ColdFusion). It seemed to me good progress was

being

made there so I was therefore surprised to see Blue River's involvement
in

the

Open CFML Foundation. Clearly in the intervening months the Blue River

guys

have had a change of heart about what's best for their business--and as
I

said, I

take no exception with that but it is of course disappointing from the

Adobe

perspective.

Josh




On 5/17/12 10:46 PM, "Josh Adams"wrote:


Are you at cf.Objective()? Or just following news online?

It's interesting to me that the Blue River guys are involved in this:
just in August I thought we were making good progress in relationship
with them. I guess things have changed. I brought this to the attention
of the ColdFusion team when I heard about it; from there it's up to
them how to handle Blue River. Disappointing from an Adobe perspective
(though I certainly don't begrudge the Blue River guys doing what they
deem best for their business).

Josh




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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] openCFML Foundation

[Adam Churvis]

Hey, remember the firestorm over this:

"Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively
soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via
the open source route as well, rather than by trying to dump it on
another company."

Caught about twelve yards of hell over that one.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

I hope everyone's doing well.  Been a long time.

Adam

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM, John Mason  wrote:
> Indeed some interesting moves lately.
>
> And just to be clear, I actually think that could be the best possible
> future for CF going forward. Sort like with Spoon.as/Apache and Flex, it
> could provide a new chance for life. The corporate Adobe umbrella I think
> has been more of a problem than anything, so finally breaking free might be
> the best possible way for CF to find new ground. Adobe has bigger challenges
> anyway, so it would help them to stay focused on their core issues.
>
> John
> ma...@fusionlink.com
>
>
>
>
> On 5/18/12 7:16 AM, Mark Fennell wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps JM's call of the last Adobe CF is more real than speculation and
>> Adobe is planning on releasing CF into the open source universe much like it
>> did with action script. It would be a stretch, but perhaps Blue River picked
>> up on that in conversations with Adobe and kicked up involvement in the Open
>> CFML Foundation? All of this is mere speculation.
>>
>> On 5/18/2012 1:03 AM, Charlie Arehart wrote:
>>>
>>> Well they've sailed still farther out of the harbor: http://img.ly/imYv
>>>
>>> /charlie
>>>
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Josh Adams
 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:53 PM
 To: discussion@acfug.org
 Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] openCFML Foundation

 Well, okay: I meant to send that reply back only to John, not to the
>>>
>>> entire

 discussion list.

 But since I did send it to the list, let me add a little clarity: last
>>>
>>> year the

 ColdFusion BU was in discussions with Blue River (the makers of the mura
 content management system) about partnering for mutual promotion (Adobe
 of
 mura and Blue River of ColdFusion). It seemed to me good progress was
>>>
>>> being

 made there so I was therefore surprised to see Blue River's involvement
 in
>>>
>>> the

 Open CFML Foundation. Clearly in the intervening months the Blue River
>>>
>>> guys

 have had a change of heart about what's best for their business--and as
 I
>>>
>>> said, I

 take no exception with that but it is of course disappointing from the
>>>
>>> Adobe

 perspective.

 Josh




 On 5/17/12 10:46 PM, "Josh Adams"  wrote:

> Are you at cf.Objective()? Or just following news online?
>
> It's interesting to me that the Blue River guys are involved in this:
> just in August I thought we were making good progress in relationship
> with them. I guess things have changed. I brought this to the attention
> of the ColdFusion team when I heard about it; from there it's up to
> them how to handle Blue River. Disappointing from an Adobe perspective
> (though I certainly don't begrudge the Blue River guys doing what they
> deem best for their business).
>
> Josh
>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] openCFML Foundation

[John Mason]

Indeed some interesting moves lately.

And just to be clear, I actually think that could be the best possible 
future for CF going forward. Sort like with Spoon.as/Apache and Flex, it 
could provide a new chance for life. The corporate Adobe umbrella I 
think has been more of a problem than anything, so finally breaking free 
might be the best possible way for CF to find new ground. Adobe has 
bigger challenges anyway, so it would help them to stay focused on their 
core issues.


John
ma...@fusionlink.com



On 5/18/12 7:16 AM, Mark Fennell wrote:
Perhaps JM's call of the last Adobe CF is more real than speculation 
and Adobe is planning on releasing CF into the open source universe 
much like it did with action script. It would be a stretch, but 
perhaps Blue River picked up on that in conversations with Adobe and 
kicked up involvement in the Open CFML Foundation? All of this is mere 
speculation.


On 5/18/2012 1:03 AM, Charlie Arehart wrote:

Well they've sailed still farther out of the harbor: http://img.ly/imYv

/charlie



-Original Message-
From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Josh Adams
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:53 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] openCFML Foundation

Well, okay: I meant to send that reply back only to John, not to the

entire

discussion list.

But since I did send it to the list, let me add a little clarity: last

year the
ColdFusion BU was in discussions with Blue River (the makers of the 
mura
content management system) about partnering for mutual promotion 
(Adobe of

mura and Blue River of ColdFusion). It seemed to me good progress was

being
made there so I was therefore surprised to see Blue River's 
involvement in

the

Open CFML Foundation. Clearly in the intervening months the Blue River

guys
have had a change of heart about what's best for their business--and 
as I

said, I

take no exception with that but it is of course disappointing from the

Adobe

perspective.

Josh




On 5/17/12 10:46 PM, "Josh Adams"  wrote:


Are you at cf.Objective()? Or just following news online?

It's interesting to me that the Blue River guys are involved in this:
just in August I thought we were making good progress in relationship
with them. I guess things have changed. I brought this to the 
attention

of the ColdFusion team when I heard about it; from there it's up to
them how to handle Blue River. Disappointing from an Adobe perspective
(though I certainly don't begrudge the Blue River guys doing what they
deem best for their business).

Josh





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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] openCFML Foundation

[Mark Fennell]

Perhaps JM's call of the last Adobe CF is more real than speculation and 
Adobe is planning on releasing CF into the open source universe much 
like it did with action script. It would be a stretch, but perhaps Blue 
River picked up on that in conversations with Adobe and kicked up 
involvement in the Open CFML Foundation? All of this is mere speculation.


On 5/18/2012 1:03 AM, Charlie Arehart wrote:

Well they've sailed still farther out of the harbor: http://img.ly/imYv

/charlie



-Original Message-
From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Josh Adams
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:53 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] openCFML Foundation

Well, okay: I meant to send that reply back only to John, not to the

entire

discussion list.

But since I did send it to the list, let me add a little clarity: last

year the

ColdFusion BU was in discussions with Blue River (the makers of the mura
content management system) about partnering for mutual promotion (Adobe of
mura and Blue River of ColdFusion). It seemed to me good progress was

being

made there so I was therefore surprised to see Blue River's involvement in

the

Open CFML Foundation. Clearly in the intervening months the Blue River

guys

have had a change of heart about what's best for their business--and as I

said, I

take no exception with that but it is of course disappointing from the

Adobe

perspective.

Josh




On 5/17/12 10:46 PM, "Josh Adams"  wrote:


Are you at cf.Objective()? Or just following news online?

It's interesting to me that the Blue River guys are involved in this:
just in August I thought we were making good progress in relationship
with them. I guess things have changed. I brought this to the attention
of the ColdFusion team when I heard about it; from there it's up to
them how to handle Blue River. Disappointing from an Adobe perspective
(though I certainly don't begrudge the Blue River guys doing what they
deem best for their business).

Josh





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