RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Robert Reil]

Good perspectives. I see how I am learning to visualize all this myself. But
since IM the customer/designer/developer/cf/dba then I can omit the
photoshop step and settle for wafflehouse napkins and pencil. lol...
Good stuff Dusty, thanks. Gives me a good perspective on the process.
 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/>  

 

  _  

From: Dusty Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:16 PM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)


I'll share my basic process for design and HTML 
 
I do all design rough drafting in a graphics program (Photoshop). When doing
this I try to keep in mind what is possible and not possible with HTML. Then
present the drafts to the client just as a Jpeg image. This makes it really
easy to change things if it's not approved. Once approved, then my next task
is to figure the best way to produce a clean HTML template as close to the
comp as possible using clean hand coded HTML. Then that template can be
reused for multiple screens. Once you grasp it, you'll be amazed at how easy
it can be to hand-code vs. dealing with wysiwyg issues.
 
I learned this process years ago while working on larger teams. The really
talented designer would do the proposed designs in Photoshop then hand off
to folks that would do the HTML template and build out site prototypes. Once
the prototype was approved the CF folks would step in to create the
applications and databases. Now I'm freelance so I either have to do it all
or outsource specific pieces (like the design work).
 
D

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)


Well im a total non programmer kicking and screaming my way into developing
our corprate intranet.
I try hard to dot I's, and cross T's when i write code. I use checking tools
when available and that makes better code for our live site to be more
google friendly as our SEO is priority to stay in business.
 
So i use WYSIWYG for rough drafting, then debug the code and overcome the
subtleties.
 
I have done HTML work in the past but I guess im a designer trying to get
the developer mentality. But in reality im not a code jockey. I just need
the fastest way to do things.
 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/>  

 

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From: Dusty Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:04 PM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)


this is just subjective I suppose but I have never seen "ANY" wysiwyg editor
that truly works good enough for me to use. DW included. No matter what, I
always have to fix the HTML mistakes that they make. My philosophy is to be
proficient with HTML and CSS especially if your a developer. And if you do
use wysiwyg then it is even more important to know HTML so you can fix the
mistakes wysiwyg makes. Once a site starts to use CF as a development
platform, it becomes even more important that the HTML code is up to par and
a good editor with tag intelligence is a wiser choice (like DW code view,
homesite, etc). 
 
Now on the other hand, great "designers" like to concentrate on their
creative skills and not their code skills. In an ideal world designers would
only "design" (in a graphics program) website interfaces, then hand off to
others to code a template with clean and understandable HTML that
"developers" can use to "develop". the world is not ideal though so I
understand many of us myself included wear multiple hats.
 
-D

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Teddy Payne
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:18 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)


CFEclipse probably won't support WYSIWYG, but as Howard Fore had mentioned
that part of the MyEclipse project that there is a designer perspective.

You can see a screen shots here:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-54.html
<http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-54.html> 



On 4/4/07, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: 

Thanks for that...


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com <http://Motorcyclecarbs.com> , Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com  <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> 

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Dusty Hale]

I'll share my basic process for design and HTML 
 
I do all design rough drafting in a graphics program (Photoshop). When doing
this I try to keep in mind what is possible and not possible with HTML. Then
present the drafts to the client just as a Jpeg image. This makes it really
easy to change things if it's not approved. Once approved, then my next task
is to figure the best way to produce a clean HTML template as close to the
comp as possible using clean hand coded HTML. Then that template can be
reused for multiple screens. Once you grasp it, you'll be amazed at how easy
it can be to hand-code vs. dealing with wysiwyg issues.
 
I learned this process years ago while working on larger teams. The really
talented designer would do the proposed designs in Photoshop then hand off
to folks that would do the HTML template and build out site prototypes. Once
the prototype was approved the CF folks would step in to create the
applications and databases. Now I'm freelance so I either have to do it all
or outsource specific pieces (like the design work).
 
D

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)


Well im a total non programmer kicking and screaming my way into developing
our corprate intranet.
I try hard to dot I's, and cross T's when i write code. I use checking tools
when available and that makes better code for our live site to be more
google friendly as our SEO is priority to stay in business.
 
So i use WYSIWYG for rough drafting, then debug the code and overcome the
subtleties.
 
I have done HTML work in the past but I guess im a designer trying to get
the developer mentality. But in reality im not a code jockey. I just need
the fastest way to do things.
 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/>  

 

  _  

From: Dusty Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:04 PM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)


this is just subjective I suppose but I have never seen "ANY" wysiwyg editor
that truly works good enough for me to use. DW included. No matter what, I
always have to fix the HTML mistakes that they make. My philosophy is to be
proficient with HTML and CSS especially if your a developer. And if you do
use wysiwyg then it is even more important to know HTML so you can fix the
mistakes wysiwyg makes. Once a site starts to use CF as a development
platform, it becomes even more important that the HTML code is up to par and
a good editor with tag intelligence is a wiser choice (like DW code view,
homesite, etc). 
 
Now on the other hand, great "designers" like to concentrate on their
creative skills and not their code skills. In an ideal world designers would
only "design" (in a graphics program) website interfaces, then hand off to
others to code a template with clean and understandable HTML that
"developers" can use to "develop". the world is not ideal though so I
understand many of us myself included wear multiple hats.
 
-D

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Teddy Payne
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:18 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)


CFEclipse probably won't support WYSIWYG, but as Howard Fore had mentioned
that part of the MyEclipse project that there is a designer perspective.

You can see a screen shots here:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-54.html



On 4/4/07, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: 

Thanks for that...


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com  <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> 

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:03 PM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =) 

Then you should probably stick to DW.  I don't see CFEclipse fully
supporting WYSIWYG in the near future.  Many code centric developers felt
abandoned when Homesite/CFStudio development ended.  DW has never really 
been acceptable to this group, and that's where CFEclipse really came from -
a desire to have a good code centric IDE.

-Cameron

On 4/4/07, Robert Reil <  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Im a windoze wysiwyg gui kinda guy.


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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Robert Reil]

Well im a total non programmer kicking and screaming my way into developing
our corprate intranet.
I try hard to dot I's, and cross T's when i write code. I use checking tools
when available and that makes better code for our live site to be more
google friendly as our SEO is priority to stay in business.
 
So i use WYSIWYG for rough drafting, then debug the code and overcome the
subtleties.
 
I have done HTML work in the past but I guess im a designer trying to get
the developer mentality. But in reality im not a code jockey. I just need
the fastest way to do things.
 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/>  

 

  _  

From: Dusty Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:04 PM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)


this is just subjective I suppose but I have never seen "ANY" wysiwyg editor
that truly works good enough for me to use. DW included. No matter what, I
always have to fix the HTML mistakes that they make. My philosophy is to be
proficient with HTML and CSS especially if your a developer. And if you do
use wysiwyg then it is even more important to know HTML so you can fix the
mistakes wysiwyg makes. Once a site starts to use CF as a development
platform, it becomes even more important that the HTML code is up to par and
a good editor with tag intelligence is a wiser choice (like DW code view,
homesite, etc). 
 
Now on the other hand, great "designers" like to concentrate on their
creative skills and not their code skills. In an ideal world designers would
only "design" (in a graphics program) website interfaces, then hand off to
others to code a template with clean and understandable HTML that
"developers" can use to "develop". the world is not ideal though so I
understand many of us myself included wear multiple hats.
 
-D

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Teddy Payne
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:18 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)


CFEclipse probably won't support WYSIWYG, but as Howard Fore had mentioned
that part of the MyEclipse project that there is a designer perspective.

You can see a screen shots here:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-54.html
<http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-54.html> 



On 4/4/07, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: 

Thanks for that...


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com <http://Motorcyclecarbs.com> , Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com  <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> 

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:03 PM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =) 

Then you should probably stick to DW.  I don't see CFEclipse fully
supporting WYSIWYG in the near future.  Many code centric developers felt
abandoned when Homesite/CFStudio development ended.  DW has never really 
been acceptable to this group, and that's where CFEclipse really came from -
a desire to have a good code centric IDE.

-Cameron

On 4/4/07, Robert Reil <  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Dusty Hale]

this is just subjective I suppose but I have never seen "ANY" wysiwyg editor
that truly works good enough for me to use. DW included. No matter what, I
always have to fix the HTML mistakes that they make. My philosophy is to be
proficient with HTML and CSS especially if your a developer. And if you do
use wysiwyg then it is even more important to know HTML so you can fix the
mistakes wysiwyg makes. Once a site starts to use CF as a development
platform, it becomes even more important that the HTML code is up to par and
a good editor with tag intelligence is a wiser choice (like DW code view,
homesite, etc). 
 
Now on the other hand, great "designers" like to concentrate on their
creative skills and not their code skills. In an ideal world designers would
only "design" (in a graphics program) website interfaces, then hand off to
others to code a template with clean and understandable HTML that
"developers" can use to "develop". the world is not ideal though so I
understand many of us myself included wear multiple hats.
 
-D

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Teddy Payne
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:18 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)


CFEclipse probably won't support WYSIWYG, but as Howard Fore had mentioned
that part of the MyEclipse project that there is a designer perspective.

You can see a screen shots here:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-54.html



On 4/4/07, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: 

Thanks for that...


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com  <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> 

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:03 PM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =) 

Then you should probably stick to DW.  I don't see CFEclipse fully
supporting WYSIWYG in the near future.  Many code centric developers felt
abandoned when Homesite/CFStudio development ended.  DW has never really 
been acceptable to this group, and that's where CFEclipse really came from -
a desire to have a good code centric IDE.

-Cameron

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Robert Reil]

pretty nice actually. 32 bucks a year seems reasonable too.
 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/>  

 

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From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:19 PM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)


CFEclipse probably won't support WYSIWYG, but as Howard Fore had mentioned
that part of the MyEclipse project that there is a designer perspective.

You can see a screen shots here:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-54.html
<http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-54.html> 



On 4/4/07, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: 

Thanks for that...


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com <http://Motorcyclecarbs.com> , Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com  <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> 

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:03 PM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =) 

Then you should probably stick to DW.  I don't see CFEclipse fully
supporting WYSIWYG in the near future.  Many code centric developers felt
abandoned when Homesite/CFStudio development ended.  DW has never really 
been acceptable to this group, and that's where CFEclipse really came from -
a desire to have a good code centric IDE.

-Cameron

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Teddy Payne]

CFEclipse probably won't support WYSIWYG, but as Howard Fore had mentioned
that part of the MyEclipse project that there is a designer perspective.

You can see a screen shots here:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-54.html


On 4/4/07, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks for that...


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:03 PM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

Then you should probably stick to DW.  I don't see CFEclipse fully
supporting WYSIWYG in the near future.  Many code centric developers felt
abandoned when Homesite/CFStudio development ended.  DW has never really
been acceptable to this group, and that's where CFEclipse really came from
-
a desire to have a good code centric IDE.

-Cameron

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Robert Reil]

Thanks for that... 


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:03 PM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

Then you should probably stick to DW.  I don't see CFEclipse fully
supporting WYSIWYG in the near future.  Many code centric developers felt
abandoned when Homesite/CFStudio development ended.  DW has never really
been acceptable to this group, and that's where CFEclipse really came from -
a desire to have a good code centric IDE.

-Cameron

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Cameron Childress]

Then you should probably stick to DW.  I don't see CFEclipse fully
supporting WYSIWYG in the near future.  Many code centric developers
felt abandoned when Homesite/CFStudio development ended.  DW has never
really been acceptable to this group, and that's where CFEclipse
really came from - a desire to have a good code centric IDE.

-Cameron

On 4/4/07, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Im a windoze wysiwyg gui kinda guy.



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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Robert Reil]

Im a windoze wysiwyg gui kinda guy. 


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
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-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:54 AM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

There was a reason to use DW?  -Cameron

On 4/4/07, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does this mean that any reason one would have to use DW is now been 
> overcome in regards to using Eclipse?


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Cameron Childress]

There was a reason to use DW?  -Cameron

On 4/4/07, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does this mean that any reason one would have to use DW is now been overcome
in regards to using Eclipse?



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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Robert Reil]

Does this mean that any reason one would have to use DW is now been overcome
in regards to using Eclipse?

 


Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Howard Fore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:36 AM
To: Carbs Sales&Service
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

MyEclipse has a "wysiwyg" HTML editor (1). See Brian Kotek's blog for info
on using them together (2).

[1]
http://myeclipseide.com/enterpriseworkbench/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.genuit
ec.myeclipse.doc/html/quickstarts/webdesigner/index.html
[2] http://www.briankotek.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=search)


On 4/3/07, Ajas Mohammed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was wondering, when we will have a design view built in Eclipse. 
> That will be so good to have in CFEclipse.


--
Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing,
the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is
nothing." - Theodore Roosevelt


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Howard Fore]

MyEclipse has a "wysiwyg" HTML editor (1). See Brian Kotek's blog for
info on using them together (2).

[1] 
http://myeclipseide.com/enterpriseworkbench/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.genuitec.myeclipse.doc/html/quickstarts/webdesigner/index.html
[2] http://www.briankotek.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=search)


On 4/3/07, Ajas Mohammed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I was wondering, when we will have a design view built in Eclipse. That will
be so good to have in CFEclipse.



--
Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right
thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you
can do is nothing." - Theodore Roosevelt


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Teddy R Payne]

I have heard that request on more than one occasion.  I have not heard of any 
work being scheduled for such a feature.

CFEclipse does have a built in browser and two quick short cuts for multiple 
browser support.  

I am not sure CFEclipse is catering to the designer as much as Flex Builder 
plug-in is.  Even then, FB is a still compiles and spawns a new window when 
showing the results of data binding.

There are some great plug-ins for CSS and Javascript support through Aptana, 
which also has a good implementation of FTP.

I typically separate my design and development phases as such that I merge them 
towards the end.  The design portion typically prototyped prior to enhanced 
functionality.

Teddy
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ajas Mohammed 
  To: discussion@acfug.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)


  That is a great feature. Very nice.

  I was wondering, when we will have a design view built in Eclipse. That will 
be so good to have in CFEclipse. 

  Any thoughts on that Teddy?

  -- 
   
  http://ajashadi.blogspot.com


  On 4/3/07, Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
A while ago, I put in a request to Mark Drew for a small change.  

In CFEclipse, you can press ctrl-shift-d to output  and 
puts the cursor in between the pound symbols.

Now, what I usually do after a variable dump is that I will put  
for my quick debugging. 

Well, the request was simple.  I asked for ctrl-shift-a to add .

Now my quick debugging life is complete.  ctrl-shift-d, type the var,end 
key, ctrl-shift-a!

So very handy for me even though it may seem trivial for some.  =) 

Mark is quite responsive and a consummate professional who listens to his 
audience.  Cheers Mark!

PS - Sorry for the PC only example!

-- 
Teddy R. Payne
Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer 
Google Talk - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Atlanta ColdFusion User Group - http://www.acfug.org
Atlanta Flash & Flex User Group - http://www.affug.org 
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Ajas Mohammed]

That is a great feature. Very nice.

I was wondering, when we will have a design view built in Eclipse. That will
be so good to have in CFEclipse.

Any thoughts on that Teddy?

--

http://ajashadi.blogspot.com

On 4/3/07, Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


A while ago, I put in a request to Mark Drew for a small change.

In CFEclipse, you can press ctrl-shift-d to output  and
puts the cursor in between the pound symbols.

Now, what I usually do after a variable dump is that I will put 
for my quick debugging.

Well, the request was simple.  I asked for ctrl-shift-a to add .

Now my quick debugging life is complete.  ctrl-shift-d, type the var,end
key, ctrl-shift-a!

So very handy for me even though it may seem trivial for some.  =)

Mark is quite responsive and a consummate professional who listens to his
audience.  Cheers Mark!

PS - Sorry for the PC only example!

--
Teddy R. Payne
Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
Google Talk - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Atlanta ColdFusion User Group - http://www.acfug.org
Atlanta Flash & Flex User Group - http://www.affug.org
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[ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =)

[Teddy Payne]

A while ago, I put in a request to Mark Drew for a small change.

In CFEclipse, you can press ctrl-shift-d to output  and
puts the cursor in between the pound symbols.

Now, what I usually do after a variable dump is that I will put 
for my quick debugging.

Well, the request was simple.  I asked for ctrl-shift-a to add .

Now my quick debugging life is complete.  ctrl-shift-d, type the var,end
key, ctrl-shift-a!

So very handy for me even though it may seem trivial for some.  =)

Mark is quite responsive and a consummate professional who listens to his
audience.  Cheers Mark!

PS - Sorry for the PC only example!

--
Teddy R. Payne
Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
Google Talk - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Atlanta ColdFusion User Group - http://www.acfug.org
Atlanta Flash & Flex User Group - http://www.affug.org



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