Re: [ACFUG Discuss] JVM version and ColdFusion
Thanks, Charlie. Your comments were very helpful! I have been hoping that this AJAX thing would just go away, as it seems to be to be a step backwards, but it looks like it will be around a while longer! Forrest C. Gilmore Charlie Arehart wrote: Forrest, I realize you've perhaps abandoned the effort, but I'll throw out some clarification if it's useful, first about the JRE/CFX issue, then about calling the google search APIs. First, you said it (the CFX) It needs a path to the JRE on my PC, and that just didn't make sense to me. So I did some googling (pardon the pun) and found that this was a CFX created by Pete Freitag (http://www.petefreitag.com/item/27.cfm) which he used to offer on his cfdev site but which is now called zrinity. The docs for the tag, at http://www.zrinity.com/xml/soap/google/, show that it was written in the CF5 time frame. As such, the reference to adding a path to your JRE is from the pre-CFMX days when CF did not come built on top of Java but could indeed integrate with it if you pointed CF's Admin to a JRE. This started in CF 4.51. (My first talk to the Atlanta CFUG, in Oct 2001, was on this very subject of doing CF/Java integration even before CFMX.) Anyway, as mentioned on blog entry, he was relying on a googlelib.jar file from 2002, and I'd not be surprised if the APIs no longer work as they did then, thus rendering the CFX useless. I've not tried it. I didn't see too many other references to it in my searching, so it may be a bit of a wild goose chase trying to get it to work, whether on CF 5, 6, 7, or 8. But really, the whole need for the CFX was somewhat obviated on 6, 7, and 8 where you can just call the Google web services directly with CFINVOKE/CFOBJECT/createobject and their ability to invoke web services. There are lots of articles and presentations on that, including a few I've done over the years, which you can find on my web site (carehart.org). In fact, I just did a little digging and was able to create a page that uses the old google search SOAP API to do a search for entries on coldfusion. The code below will indeed work if you have a valid Google SOAP Search API key, but they aren't issuing any new ones (as Steve said, they prefer you use the Ajax Search API, which I'll discuss in a moment.). Of course, the style of programming is just one of many ways such a request could be made (could have used CFOBJECT, createObject, etc).: cfscript googlesearchprops = structnew(); //enter your GOOGLE API key googlesearchprops.key=-- your key here --; // enter the search query keywords googlesearchprops.q=coldfusion ; // various other goole api properties googlesearchprops.ie=; googlesearchprops.lr=; googlesearchprops.oe=; googlesearchprops.restrict=; googlesearchprops.filter=true; googlesearchprops.safeSearch=true; googlesearchprops.maxResults=10; googlesearchprops.start=1; /cfscript cftry cfinvoke webservice=http://api.google.com/GoogleSearch.wsdl; method = doGoogleSearch timeout=30 returnVariable=searchResults argumentcollection=#googlesearchprops# cfcatch !--- cfdump var=#cfcatch# --- cfoutput#cfcatch.detail#/cfoutput cfabort /cfcatch /cftry cfset results = searchresults.getresultelements() cfoutput Results for searching for: #googlesearchprops.q# ul cfloop from=1 to=#arraylen(results)# index=i lia href=#results[i].geturl()##results[i].gettitle()#/a- #results[i].getsnippet()#/li /cfloop /ul /cfoutput The details of the properties being passed in is at http://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/reference.html But that page also explains again that the old SOAP API has been deprecated in favor of the new Ajax search API (http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxsearch/). In fact, there are ways to use the new Ajax-based search API that don't involve any traditional web service calls at all, so all the more reason to skip trying to use the CFX or even the CFINVOKE code above. To your final comment, the fact is that things are indeed getting simpler. It's just different, so that old tools (and articles and tested approaches) need to evolve with the times. :-) Hope that helps. /charlie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forrest C. Gilmore Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 4:51 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] JVM version and ColdFusion Thanks for all of your suggestions. In light of Steve's response, perhaps I should abandon this CFX_Google endeavor! A number of years ago, with talk about fourth generation languages, I had hoped that all this needless(?) complexity would eventually go away, and we could just get work done with our computers. It seems like we started over again, and it's worse now than it was then! Forrest C. Gilmore === I don't think that the Google web service API is supported anymore by Google, rendering the question moot. Google really wants you to use their AJAX Search API
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] JVM version and ColdFusion
Forrest, I realize you've perhaps abandoned the effort, but I'll throw out some clarification if it's useful, first about the JRE/CFX issue, then about calling the google search APIs. First, you said it (the CFX) It needs a path to the JRE on my PC, and that just didn't make sense to me. So I did some googling (pardon the pun) and found that this was a CFX created by Pete Freitag (http://www.petefreitag.com/item/27.cfm) which he used to offer on his cfdev site but which is now called zrinity. The docs for the tag, at http://www.zrinity.com/xml/soap/google/, show that it was written in the CF5 time frame. As such, the reference to adding a path to your JRE is from the pre-CFMX days when CF did not come built on top of Java but could indeed integrate with it if you pointed CF's Admin to a JRE. This started in CF 4.51. (My first talk to the Atlanta CFUG, in Oct 2001, was on this very subject of doing CF/Java integration even before CFMX.) Anyway, as mentioned on blog entry, he was relying on a googlelib.jar file from 2002, and I'd not be surprised if the APIs no longer work as they did then, thus rendering the CFX useless. I've not tried it. I didn't see too many other references to it in my searching, so it may be a bit of a wild goose chase trying to get it to work, whether on CF 5, 6, 7, or 8. But really, the whole need for the CFX was somewhat obviated on 6, 7, and 8 where you can just call the Google web services directly with CFINVOKE/CFOBJECT/createobject and their ability to invoke web services. There are lots of articles and presentations on that, including a few I've done over the years, which you can find on my web site (carehart.org). In fact, I just did a little digging and was able to create a page that uses the old google search SOAP API to do a search for entries on coldfusion. The code below will indeed work if you have a valid Google SOAP Search API key, but they aren't issuing any new ones (as Steve said, they prefer you use the Ajax Search API, which I'll discuss in a moment.). Of course, the style of programming is just one of many ways such a request could be made (could have used CFOBJECT, createObject, etc).: cfscript googlesearchprops = structnew(); //enter your GOOGLE API key googlesearchprops.key=-- your key here --; // enter the search query keywords googlesearchprops.q=coldfusion ; // various other goole api properties googlesearchprops.ie=; googlesearchprops.lr=; googlesearchprops.oe=; googlesearchprops.restrict=; googlesearchprops.filter=true; googlesearchprops.safeSearch=true; googlesearchprops.maxResults=10; googlesearchprops.start=1; /cfscript cftry cfinvoke webservice=http://api.google.com/GoogleSearch.wsdl; method = doGoogleSearch timeout=30 returnVariable=searchResults argumentcollection=#googlesearchprops# cfcatch !--- cfdump var=#cfcatch# --- cfoutput#cfcatch.detail#/cfoutput cfabort /cfcatch /cftry cfset results = searchresults.getresultelements() cfoutput Results for searching for: #googlesearchprops.q# ul cfloop from=1 to=#arraylen(results)# index=i lia href=#results[i].geturl()##results[i].gettitle()#/a- #results[i].getsnippet()#/li /cfloop /ul /cfoutput The details of the properties being passed in is at http://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/reference.html But that page also explains again that the old SOAP API has been deprecated in favor of the new Ajax search API (http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxsearch/). In fact, there are ways to use the new Ajax-based search API that don't involve any traditional web service calls at all, so all the more reason to skip trying to use the CFX or even the CFINVOKE code above. To your final comment, the fact is that things are indeed getting simpler. It's just different, so that old tools (and articles and tested approaches) need to evolve with the times. :-) Hope that helps. /charlie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forrest C. Gilmore Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 4:51 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] JVM version and ColdFusion Thanks for all of your suggestions. In light of Steve's response, perhaps I should abandon this CFX_Google endeavor! A number of years ago, with talk about fourth generation languages, I had hoped that all this needless(?) complexity would eventually go away, and we could just get work done with our computers. It seems like we started over again, and it's worse now than it was then! Forrest C. Gilmore === I don't think that the Google web service API is supported anymore by Google, rendering the question moot. Google really wants you to use their AJAX Search API instead...or, better yet, to buy one of their search appliances. Regards, Steve Drucker CEO Fig Leaf Software Adobe / Google / WebSense / Paperthin Premier Consulting and Training Partners http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -Original Message
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] JVM version and ColdFusion
John Mason, or Charlie Arehart can probably help you out with this one, but from my understanding - leave CF talking with the JRE it comes with for maximum compatability. Or Steve Drucker for that matter ;) On Feb 2, 2008 3:36 AM, Forrest C. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to install the CFX_Google tag on my local PC. It needs a path to the JRE on my PC. I see that currently, ColdFusion is using it's default JRE, which is version 4. On my PC, I have several JRE installs, 5.0.11, 6.0, 6.0.1, 6.0.2, 6.0.3, and 6.0.4 from the JDK. Does it matter which of these I use with CFX_Google? Should I change the setting for CF Server to one of the newer JRE's? Do the two have to be the same? Forrest C. Gilmore - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] JVM version and ColdFusion
I believe that you should run CFX tags within the same JRE, with the same classpath as CF. I think CFX tags need access to certain interfaces within the CF packages to function properly, though I've not looked at the API in a while. ap On Feb 3, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Darin Kohles wrote: John Mason, or Charlie Arehart can probably help you out with this one, but from my understanding - leave CF talking with the JRE it comes with for maximum compatability. Or Steve Drucker for that matter ;) On Feb 2, 2008 3:36 AM, Forrest C. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to install the CFX_Google tag on my local PC. It needs a path to the JRE on my PC. I see that currently, ColdFusion is using it's default JRE, which is version 4. On my PC, I have several JRE installs, 5.0.11, 6.0, 6.0.1, 6.0.2, 6.0.3, and 6.0.4 from the JDK. Does it matter which of these I use with CFX_Google? Should I change the setting for CF Server to one of the newer JRE's? Do the two have to be the same? Forrest C. Gilmore - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] JVM version and ColdFusion
Thanks for all of your suggestions. In light of Steve's response, perhaps I should abandon this CFX_Google endeavor! A number of years ago, with talk about fourth generation languages, I had hoped that all this needless(?) complexity would eventually go away, and we could just get work done with our computers. It seems like we started over again, and it's worse now than it was then! Forrest C. Gilmore === I don't think that the Google web service API is supported anymore by Google, rendering the question moot. Google really wants you to use their AJAX Search API instead...or, better yet, to buy one of their search appliances. Regards, Steve Drucker CEO Fig Leaf Software Adobe / Google / WebSense / Paperthin Premier Consulting and Training Partners http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forrest C. Gilmore Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 3:37 AM To: ACFUG Discussion Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] JVM version and ColdFusion I want to install the CFX_Google tag on my local PC. It needs a path to the JRE on my PC. I see that currently, ColdFusion is using it's default JRE, which is version 4. On my PC, I have several JRE installs, 5.0.11, 6.0, 6.0.1, 6.0.2, 6.0.3, and 6.0.4 from the JDK. Does it matter which of these I use with CFX_Google? Should I change the setting for CF Server to one of the newer JRE's? Do the two have to be the same? Forrest C. Gilmore - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
