Re: ERRATA: psychotic disorders of (few) web market operators and privacy less valued than pizza
Hi Guivanni, Thank you very much for clarifying this so nicely and for apologizing! Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
OFFLIST - Re: psychotic disorders of (few) web market operators and, privacy less valued than pizza
Hi. * Mat Witts [2017-11-26 11:34:23 +]: [...] I think the reasons available for bad behavior are already overdetermined by the characteristics of markets more generally, I _suspect_ that when talking with policy makers they need to be persuaded *also* using interesting studies like the Freedom to Tinker one _and_ the "pizza effect" one in particular, as I wrote, I'm really curious to see if and how GDPR will be able to protect users "from themselves" and the ethical limitations of market-led policies and incentives I hope do not need to be rehearsed in a forum connected to discussing (among other things) the benefits of free software? ehrm... I *fear* we need a _constant_ reharshal of this kind of discussion because the phenomenology of "private computing agency" is complex and every new "discovery" may help understand it I personally know free software supporters (I'm not talking specifically of FSFE supporters) who do not understand the dangers of proprietary javascripts Ciao Giovanni -- Giovanni Biscuolo Xelera - IT infrastructures http://xelera.eu/contact-us/ **per favore** Quota Bene: http://wiki.news.nic.it/QuotarBene **please** use Inline Reply: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: psychotic disorders of (few) web market operators and, privacy less valued than pizza
* Mat Witts [2017-11-26 11:34:23 +]: I just discovered this study from "Freedom to tinker" [1] that clearly shows clinic evidence of psychotic disorders by few web market operators [...] I think the article referenced may be this: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2017/11/15/no-boundaries-exfiltration-of-personal-data-by-session-replay-scripts/ thank you! my footnote was incomplete I was too stressed by concurrent activities at the time of writing and I've an old CPU and too few RAM: in this conditions sometimes I'm overloaded or get OOM exceptions... sorry :-S [...] Ciao Giovanni -- Giovanni Biscuolo Xelera - IT infrastructures http://xelera.eu/contact-us/ **per favore** Quota Bene: http://wiki.news.nic.it/QuotarBene **please** use Inline Reply: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
ERRATA: psychotic disorders of (few) web market operators and privacy less valued than pizza
Hi Duncan, * Duncan [2017-11-26 00:35:00 +]: I do not think it's appropriate to speculate on the mental health of people thank you for you comment, you made me realize I made a bad mistake! I did never (ever!) intend to be personal but sometimes my approximate use of language make me dramatically fail *** so my apologies to all of you! *** I should have used the term "companies" and _not_ "market operators", sorry so when reading my previous message please substitute "market operators" with "companies" for sure by using the term "psychotic disorder" I was *not politically correct*, but I made it on purpose: I wanted to provoke _scandal_ mine was a rhetorical hyperbole, let me put this way: *if* one those few companies where a person - e.g. an husband pretending to track her wife in a *similar way*, even if his justification would be to keep her safe from potential web stalkers or similar kind of threats - I believe that a similar behavior would be considered a psychotic disorder by a specialist (IANAP); it would also be an illegal practice (IANAL) if you like a more politically correct interpretation, I find the behavior of the few companies that market such an insane user tracking method is antisocial and against every constitutional principle; it will also be an illegal practice (GDPR) please also consider that I'm a (tiny) web market operator too, and I _love_ to make business with the web: given GDPR soon my competitors using those methods will be **unfair competitors**; they will also be outlaw :-) again, my apologies for I have been _unintentionally_ personal I know well that people marketing this tracking practice are not psychotic, they are simply greedy and for that they want excessive control over the users of their customers «Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in [their] eye?» (Matthew 7:3-5) ciao Giovanni -- Giovanni Biscuolo Xelera - IT infrastructures http://xelera.eu/contact-us/ **per favore** Quota Bene: http://wiki.news.nic.it/QuotarBene **please** use Inline Reply: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: psychotic disorders of (few) web market operators and, privacy less valued than pizza
Hi, > I just discovered this study from "Freedom to tinker" [1] that clearly shows clinic evidence of psychotic disorders by few web market operators [...] I think the article referenced may be this: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2017/11/15/no-boundaries-exfiltration-of-personal-data-by-session-replay-scripts/ ...and although there are references made to individual health data in the article, I can't see any evidence that would suggest any 'clinical evidence of psychotic disorders', not least because I would suggest 'web market operators' are not the kinds of entities that are capable of having 'minds' from any clinical perspective that I am aware of. Legal personality, yes, but clinical personalities, i think: "no". > I do not think it's appropriate to speculate on the mental health of people you politically disagree with. Well, personal tastes, moral judgments and potential for expensive litigation aside, from a professional and methodological perspective, if we are at all interested in producing useful explanations about the behavior of market actors, I think the reasons available for bad behavior are already overdetermined by the characteristics of markets more generally, and the ethical limitations of market-led policies and incentives I hope do not need to be rehearsed in a forum connected to discussing (among other things) the benefits of free software? / mat ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
