Re: who is a member?

2018-02-02 Thread Werner Koch
On Fri,  2 Feb 2018 17:12, dan...@pocock.pro said:

> There are practical problems with this.  The most obvious problem is
> that there is no board and the GA functions a little bit like a board
> and a board with 1,700 members would not be very functional.  To resolve

That is not correct.  Unless I missed some of the many constitutional
changes of the last years, the FSFE e.V., as German Verein, of course as
an elected board ("Vorstand", aka "EC") which consists of the
"president", the "vice-president", and the "treasurer".  (I used to be
the treasurer some years ago.)

However. having only a few members we had the *informal* rule to ask all
members (the so-called "GA") for their opinions on imporatnt decisions
of the board.


Shalom-Salam,

   Werner


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Re: who is a member?

2018-02-02 Thread Carsten Agger



On 02/02/2018 05:52 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:

On 02/02/18 17:48, Florian Snow wrote:

Hi Daniel,

As far as I remember, the form said "Join the Fellowship" and explained that 
this was a financial contribution.



If you go to https://fsfe.org and click "Become a supporter" it still 
shows the same form with the title "Join the FSFE"


The word contribution is very generic.  In my view, the word itself 
doesn't strongly imply membership, but the act of giving money does 
give many people the feeling that they are a member.


When I "joined" I did so to join a European Free Software community 
because I wanted to strengthen my own activism in the area.  When I 
blogged about it 
(http://www.modspil.dk/itpolitik/free_software_foundation_europe_fellow___2047.html, 
Danish) I did mention my involvement with the FSFE as a "membership", 
and everyone I've talked with here in DK who became a Fellow talk about 
it as being "a member", too. Being already an "associate member" of the 
FSF, IIRC I did understand that I did not become a member with voting 
rights, but honestly I found the construction strange and complicated 
and hence just chose to tell people I had become a "member" and wanted 
to work with the organization.


So, speaking from my own experience,

* I don't feel I was misled, hence I don't think I gained any actual 
legal rights besides those as a "Fellow"

* The situation definitely could be clearer and easier to understand.

I understand the reluctance of opening the membership of FSFE e.V. as, 
in part, coup protection: People (e.g. Google, Microsoft or other 
proprietary software companies) can't do a hostile takeover by joining 
en masse and reducing a clear commitment to free software to something 
wishy-washy.


But in all cases - a clearer construction would be desirable. The thing 
is, when becoming a supporter (previously Fellow) you *are* invited to 
join in the sense of becoming part of the community and being active - 
up to and including coordinating local groups and applying to the GA.


However, you don't gain legal membership of the Association.  I've 
always experienced this as somewhat mixed signals. Converting all 
Supporters into full members may not be the solution, but it would be 
nice to have a construction that was a) just as inclusive, b) easy to 
understand and hence c) easy to explain to others.


Best
Carsten
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Re: who is a member?

2018-02-02 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 02/02/18 17:48, Florian Snow wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> As far as I remember, the form said "Join the Fellowship" and explained that 
> this was a financial contribution.


If you go to https://fsfe.org and click "Become a supporter" it still
shows the same form with the title "Join the FSFE"

The word contribution is very generic.  In my view, the word itself
doesn't strongly imply membership, but the act of giving money does give
many people the feeling that they are a member.

Regards,

Daniel

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Re: who is a member?

2018-02-02 Thread Florian Snow
Hi Daniel,

As far as I remember, the form said "Join the Fellowship" and explained that 
this was a financial contribution.

Happy hacking!
Florian
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