Re: Kundigung [Legal Team] leaving FSFE's legal team
Am 29.03.19 um 11:12 schrieb Christian Imhorst: > I have no problem with anonymous whistleblowing. I have, frankly, a problem with forwarding internal emails from a trusted group. It leads to breaking the trust within that group, and that leads to people within those groups not speaking out openly any more. Best, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Kundigung [Legal Team] leaving FSFE's legal team
Hello Florian, thank you for taking the time to answer. If longtime members drop out, we should talk about it openly. It is the wrong way to withold the leaving. Words like "fsfegate 2.0" don't mean anything to me, because I'm just not in your filter bubble. I have no problem with anonymous whistleblowing. Information should be free, so I support that. Am 28.03.2019 17:53 schrieb Florian Snow: We are individuals with differing opinions and that is what makes us strong as an organization. I totally agree with you. In my opinion diversity, free speech, freedom of information, etc. are fundamental rights that are inextricably linked with Free Software. Why else do we need Free Software if we do not care about the other basic rights? In my opinion, Free Software would be worth nothing then. Am 28.03.2019 17:53 schrieb Florian Snow: My impression is very different and in fact, I would say we are gaining visibility. But either way, there is no hard data on this issue. That is in the nature of things and it is a problem, unfortunately. E.g. the section on open source platforms that are excluded from the new EU Copyright Directive: As someone who stands on the sidelines I didn't really saw our success. GitHub claims that they would have enforced the exception. It's a pity that we didn't make our contribution so well visible. Am 28.03.2019 17:53 schrieb Florian Snow: I feel campaigns are good and important. I feel the same way. Campaigns are a good way to achieve political goals. Am 28.03.2019 17:53 schrieb Florian Snow: I completely disagree with this statement. Yes, we think about issues such as gender equality because we think being more inclusive will strengthen our movement as a whole. Again, I am with you. As I wrote above, what would be the worth of Free Software if we do not care about other civil freedoms? I can not say much about your other answers, because I'm not involved in the organization of the FSFE. For me your answers are very welcome and important! Thanks again for taking the time. Regards, Christian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Fwd: [FSFE PR][EN] Copyright Directive – EU safeguards Free Software at the last minute
Hi Christian, Am Donnerstag 28 März 2019 18:14:38 schrieb Christian Imhorst: > This means that on this limited subject the FSFE > is taken seriously as someone to talk to. > > I can not judge your last sentence, Bernhard, but I hope that's the > case. the indicators known to me: * Our representatives got appointments with people in Brussels when asking for the topic * There was one draft were there was an exception for non-commercial towards Free Software, we pointed this out, and it got changed. * Some other friendly NGOs did not get appointments for their broader topics. (We'd wished they would.) Of course we probably were not the only ones that people talked to, but this is also part of successful explanations to say something that is confirmed by other groups as well. Well in one meaning it is lobbying, as we try to speak to politicians, on the other hand it is edcuation because we give them the same arguments that we give everybody, we help them to understand how software and society is connected. Best Regards, Bernhard -- FSFE -- Founding Member Support our work for Free Software: blogs.fsfe.org/bernhard https://fsfe.org/donate | contribute signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Kundigung [Legal Team] leaving FSFE's legal team
Hi Christian, First of all, I have to say I am not happy that an email was published here without the consent of the author. In addition, the word "fsfegate 2.0" and the fact that this is a completely unknown person, makes me feel uneasy about this email. That being said, I would like to answer your email, Christian. Essentially, I will treat the statements in the quoted mail as questions from you personally that deserve an answer. I will answer as many questions as possible. I have been a GA member for about a year, but I do not speak for the GA. We are individuals with differing opinions and that is what makes us strong as an organization. So I will just state my personal opinion without speaking for anyone else and without claiming that my opinion is the only possible one. [Executive engaging the legal team less] I am not a member of the legal team, so I do not have complete insight into this. If the statement is true, I could see multiple reasons for it. Perhaps management feels more confident regarding certain issues due to prior counsel of the legal team. Just an example, but there might be a good reason for that. It is also possible that not everyone in the legal team would support that statement. [Less visibility in regards to legal and policy issues] My impression is very different and in fact, I would say we are gaining visibility. But either way, there is no hard data on this issue. [too strong a focus on campaigns and lack of (long-term) vision] I feel campaigns are good and important. The idea here is to deliver specific goals that can be measured. I would say they play a very important part in the question of "What do we want to achieve in the next 5 years?". More of the vision part comes in in selecting those campaigns. I do see occasional weaknesses here and we deal with them when they happen, but I see no overarching problem here. [losing sight of core goals] I completely disagree with this statement. Yes, we think about issues such as gender equality because we think being more inclusive will strengthen our movement as a whole. That does not mean we lost sight of our core goals. Just look at our website, our mailing lists and check which things we actually work on. You will see that it is all about Free Software and how it is perceived in the world. Other issues like inclusiveness is more a matter of how we communicate, thinking about new channels to use, and so on. [not institutionalizing knowledge] I would say there is quite a lot of knowledge that _is_ being institutionalized and documented, but I agree that this is something we can probably still improve on. This is a general issue with growing communities that a lack of communication might arise. I think we do better here than other organizations I have seen, but there is still room for improvement and I have seen many steps to clarify procedures, to document information about people and events. [all staff being on leave after FOSDEM and unanswered requests] I have seen this in the past, but not this year for example, so the situation about unanswered requests appears to be improving. [no information to stakeholders about absent people] I have not experienced that, but perhaps there is a process here that needs clarification and documentation. [emails stuck in mailing list queues; systems (VMs) down due to lack of monitoring] The situation with emails has improved somewhat in recent years with the introduction of a general entry point for inquiries instead of several different mailing lists. However, we can still improve on that. To me, this is also a question of volunteer engagement and not just about sponsors. I would not expect the FSFE employees to deal with all tickets/emails at all times. We are an organization that is largely made up of volunteers and there are many areas where I think more volunteer engagement could help. The FSFE is not the office in Berlin and its employees, the FSFE is a community. There is simply way more work than we can handle and certainly way more work than staff can handle on their own. So we rely on volunteers to do some of the work and even then, we could always use more hands. That means some things will not get dealt with and what I see is people doing their best to prioritize well. [no improvements but personal attacks from the vice president] I have seen many improvements over the years, but we can always do more, of course. As for the personal attacks, I have a really hard time imagining Heiki (our vice president) making personal attacks. I have experienced him as someone with strong integrity and carefully weighed opinions who handles criticism in an exceptionally constructive way. His emails are concise (quite the opposite of mine) and perhaps sometimes a bit direct. That might perhaps have been perceived as arrogance, but I am certain if someone pointed out a specific situation to Heiki that was problematic, he would clarify and,
Re: [FSFE PR][EN] Copyright Directive – EU safeguards Free Software at the last minute
Hi Christian, Just a quick update here: -- Edit of 28 March 2019: The original version of this press release urged the European Commission to act to avoid filtering-monopolies, but our description of our position on filters was unclear and incomplete. The FSFE is not, and has never been, in favour of developing "fundamentally flawed filtering technologies". The FSFE has been fighting against upload filters since the beginning, e.g., as a signatory of Copyright for Creativity or Create Refresh, and joined more than 80 organisations asking the EU member states to reject the harmful Article 13 (now, Art. 17). The FSFE will support solutions to preserve users' right to be in control of technology and ethical standards for service operators. -- https://fsfe.org/news/2019/news-20190326-01.en.html Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
