Re: OT mailing lists wit web interface (was Re: diversity (was: Re: [nomination]for Fellowship Council renewal and activism))
On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 09:57:56PM +0200, Harald Welte wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 08:50:48PM +0200, Geza Giedke wrote: >> I know that I'm old-fashioned in this respect, but I think for >> online discussions no better system than Usenet has been invented, >> but mailing lists are the next best options. > Full ACK. Have you lived the heydays of Fidonet? -- Lionel ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
OT mailing lists wit web interface (was Re: diversity (was: Re: [nomination]for Fellowship Council renewal and activism))
Hi Geza, On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 08:50:48PM +0200, Geza Giedke wrote: > I know that I'm old-fashioned in this respect, but I think for online > discussions no better system than Usenet has been invented, but mailing > lists are the next best options. Full ACK. > Is there any software that could > provide a (bidirectional) interface between a webforum and a mailinglist? There was the software used at gmane.org, which for many years provided not only a web archive to mailing lists, but also NNTP access. In fact, I believe their custom NNTP ssrver was actually the main storage backend. Unfortunately when gmane.org went down it never really recovered, and I believe the original source code was never released as it was deemed unfit for any wider use by the author[s]? It's really sad that there are no better, mailing-list interoperable/compatible web forum systems out there. mailman3 with hyperkitty looks like an interesting approach, but importing the osmocom.org list archives on a 16-core machine with 32GB of RAM took more than 3 days, at which point I deemed it as "not fit for production". This is getting more and more off-topic... but I realy like the e-mail integration of redmine. You can receive ticket updates by e-mail and respond to them, both by e-mail and online. But it's not a general-purpose discussion tool, but an issue tracker. gerrit's e-mail integration is also getting better and better with every release, btw. Regards, Harald -- - Harald Welte http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: diversity
Hi Geza, Geza Giedke writes: > I've tried out the webbased platform (to complain about FSFE "welcoming" > RMS' resignation) I think that is a good use of it with the news items and I want to try using it as a comment module for the blogs. > I know that I'm old-fashioned in this respect, but I think for online > discussions no better system than Usenet has been invented, but mailing > lists are the next best options. I'm generally with you, but I don't want to condemn a new solution if it has the potential to attract more people. But of course that means integrating existing community members as well. So I hope we can find a good solution. > Is there any software that could provide a (bidirectional) interface > between a webforum and a mailinglist? Discourse has a mailing list mode which I have been using (kind of) for a while. Why don't you try that and give some feedback here? You can activate it in the settings. Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: diversity (was: Re: [nomination]for Fellowship Council renewal and activism)
Florian Snow wrote on 21/10/19 7:03: > Also agreed. One of the ideas to reduce barriers was to examine the use > of mailing lists vs something without as many implicit rules (and > potentially more inviting design), such as our Discourse instance > (community.fsfe.org). I would be interested to hear what you and others > on here think. Have you tried out the platform yet? If yes, what do > you think. If not, why not? I've tried out the webbased platform (to complain about FSFE "welcoming" RMS' resignation) but I think mailing lists are much superior to these kind of forums and I would hope that the discussion lists do not move to the web where there's no proper threading, no free choice of editor, and no possibility to get digests. I know that I'm old-fashioned in this respect, but I think for online discussions no better system than Usenet has been invented, but mailing lists are the next best options. Is there any software that could provide a (bidirectional) interface between a webforum and a mailinglist? regards Geza ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: diversity (was: Re: [nomination]for Fellowship Council renewal and activism)
Hi Florian, Am 21. Oktober 2019 07:03:32 MESZ schrieb Florian Snow : >Agreed. I hope what I wrote didn't come off that way. I meant to >describe a challenge, not make an excuse. Yes, I know. We both know that's a challenge. :-) >When in comes to the FSFE, there are also additional issues to consider: For >us, diversity should >probably also involve geographic or cultural diversity. These are >tough questions to solve, but I think very important for the future of >our movement. I cannot agree more. When I look at fsfe.org/about we don't cover many regions in Europe. We should really improve on that. >One of the ideas to reduce barriers was to examine the >use >of mailing lists vs something without as many implicit rules (and >potentially more inviting design), such as our Discourse instance >(community.fsfe.org). I would be interested to hear what you and >others >on here think. Have you tried out the platform yet? If yes, what do >you think. If not, why not? I didn't really know that this tool exists. I have to check it out. Best Christian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
diversity (was: Re: [nomination]for Fellowship Council renewal and activism)
Hi Christian, Christian Imhorst writes: > If you want more diversity, the first question must be: Why doesn't it > work? The answer, that there are simply no woman, for example, just > white cis man is imho something made easy. Agreed. I hope what I wrote didn't come off that way. I meant to describe a challenge, not make an excuse. When in comes to the FSFE, there are also additional issues to consider: For us, diversity should probably also involve geographic or cultural diversity. These are tough questions to solve, but I think very important for the future of our movement. > We have to remove any and all barriers for speakers and activists to > share their expertise and knowledge with the community. Also agreed. One of the ideas to reduce barriers was to examine the use of mailing lists vs something without as many implicit rules (and potentially more inviting design), such as our Discourse instance (community.fsfe.org). I would be interested to hear what you and others on here think. Have you tried out the platform yet? If yes, what do you think. If not, why not? Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
