Re: urgent: call for observers and community presence at annual meeting

2018-07-18 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 18/07/18 18:48, André Ockers wrote:
> Dear Daniel and list,
>
> On 17-07-18 09:54, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> Note that people can also send requests[3] directly to the president,
>> m...@fsfe.org asking to become provisional member
> What are the obligations for members?
> Are members financially and/or juridically liable?


This is a question about the law of associations in Germany, as that is
where FSFE is registered

Financially, the constitution says fees are waived[1] based on the
efforts you contribute.  The wiki says the fee[2] is EUR 60 per year or
12 hours volunteering.  If you attend a monthly meeting you may qualify
on the volunteering basis.

Incorporation as an association in most countries gives protections to
the members from any financial or judicial consequences but only a
lawyer can give definite answers to that.

Being a member of a board or FSFE council may have more obligations and
risks but being an ordinary member is less demanding.

Regards,

Daniel



1. https://fsfe.org/about/legal/constitution.en.html#sec:membershipfees
2. http://wiki.fsfe.org/Teams/GA


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Re: urgent: call for observers and community presence at annual meeting

2018-07-18 Thread André Ockers
Dear Daniel and list,

On 17-07-18 09:54, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> Note that people can also send requests[3] directly to the president,
> m...@fsfe.org asking to become provisional member
What are the obligations for members?
Are members financially and/or juridically liable?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

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urgent: call for observers and community presence at annual meeting

2018-07-17 Thread Daniel Pocock


Hi everybody,

As the elections have been cancelled[1] and the fellows will not be able
to elect a new representative to attend the annual meeting this year, I
would like to raise the possibility that we make the meeting more open
than previous meetings, by having observers who can participate in the
discussions even if they are not yet respected equally.

Not only do we have the end of elections, but last year's meeting also
voted[2] to look at ways to empower the wider community in FSFE's
governance.  While the abolition of elections was rushed through an
extraordinary general meeting in May, I have not seen any hint of how
the new governance structure will be implemented and it is less than 3
months to the annual meeting.

I feel community involvement is vital for various reasons.

One of the most widely known quotes of the American revolution is James
Otis's "Taxation without representation is tyranny."

The FSFE fellows, supporters and community contribute time and money but
have no representation beyond myself and when my term as representative
expires, nobody will replace me.

As in the American Revolution, people can't wait for democracy to be
given to us on proper terms.  You need to be present at meetings like
this.  There is a limit to what I can do myself as your representative.

Council already circulated an email asking people to put 6+7 October in
their diary, a venue has not been announced but we have been told it
will be in Berlin.

There is significant time and cost involved for all GA members to travel
to the meeting so it appears to be in the best interests of the
organization to have any leaders from local groups or associated
organizations who want to attend at the same time and maximize
opportunities for discussion.

Having the community meeting last week separately from the annual
meeting in October appears to create fragmentation in the community and
I don't feel that having GA meetings that exclude the community is the
best way to spend fellows' money or motivate volunteers in the long term.

Note that people can also send requests[3] directly to the president,
m...@fsfe.org asking to become provisional members of the association and
receive an official invitation to the meeting.  As it is less than 3
months away now and it takes a few weeks to process these requests I
would suggest sending the email promptly.

Regards,

Daniel



1. https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2018-July/012420.html
2. https://fsfe.org/about/legal/minutes/minutes-2017-10-15.en.pdf
3.
https://fsfe.org/about/legal/constitution.en.html#SECTION0004


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