Re: Who do we believe?

[The one with the questions]

> On 16/10/2019 16:23, ahilter at keemail.me 
>  wrote:> I read 
> the long mail from MBR and it's a good story. The problem is that> everyone 
> here has good stories. 
Is it really just about who tells a good story? Is a good story more important 
that what RMS and the whole
free software community build over the last 30+ years? Do we really want to 
kill all this for a good story?
Do you think that this is in the interest of RMS or free software in general?

>  I don't know either of them personally. So who should we believe? I find it 
> difficult.  [..]
> I trust Daniel again now because he has seen things that we all do not 
> want to see. He is one of the best people in this earth and would never
> do anything bad. 

How do you know that? You don't know him personally, so how can you know that 
he is one of the best people in this earth? Maybe that's true, maybe it is the 
exact opposite? I also don't know any of them personally, that's why I wonder 
how you can come to such a conclusion. I couldn't.

How do we know what he tells us really exists? If it really exists, how do we 
know if the way he perceives it is objectively the right way of looking at it?

At the end we are back to the top, about good or bad stories. But is a good 
story worth destroying RMS heritage? FSF, Debian, OSI, FSFE, SFC... are all 
organization full of people dedicated to software freedom, even if they are 
driven by different motivations. At the end many of those people and 
organizations built what we are trying to protect here. How likely is it that 
all this organisations and people become evil at the same point in time, 
decided to destroy what they built over decades and Daniel is the one who knows 
the only truth? 

I don't know all of this... I'm just the one with questions.

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Who do we believe?

[ahilter]

I read the long mail from MBR and it's a good story. The problem is that 
everyone here has good stories. I'm not saying that MBR lies, but there are few 
things in its story that you couldn't invent. I believe him, but the situation 
is difficult.

Daniel has a good story (especially back-stabbing and murder). FSFE has a good 
story. In a situation like this, where an overpowering organization of many and 
a single one argue, I believe the weak rather, the individual. But what FSFE 
writes also sounds believable. I don't know either of them personally. So who 
should we believe? I find it difficult. Just when Daniel is writing now he 
would also take money from Google and censor this list (I have already sent 
first examples). How do you do that if you don't know who to believe?

I trust Daniel again now because he has seen things that we all do not want to 
see. He is one of the best people in this earth and would never do anything 
bad. But it is hard to see that in mails. I'm afraid he'll be liquidated or 
accused of child molestation. That is not true, of course, but how can you 
believe it, because there is never any negative evidence. Don't let that 
happen. We have to protect Daniel.

But let's first think about how we can find out who we should believe. Could we 
use the block chain for that? It becomes more and more important. Or maybe AI, 
because that is the natural extension of the block chain. But it doesn't have 
to be a technique. The main thing is that we find a good solution. Let's all 
work together and find the truth!
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