Re: censorship alternatives (was: Re: )
* Daniel Pocock [2019-10-14 21:29]: > I started thinking that maybe some of this could be done with a > Thunderbird plugin, managing a BCC list in any block chain or > distributed data structure. Plugin would make it centralized and locked to Thunderbird. Email system would make it decentralized. > - does the data structure store the list of subscribers or the > actual messages or both? It should store the list of subscribers from the point of subscribing to the point of unsubscribing. > - how do people add and remove themselves? I suspect this won't be > completely immune to abuse, some users could potentially hang on to > the addresses of people who unsubscribe. Just as usual. No change in email system. > - which headers does the plugin need to set, e.g. just the List-Id > - header? It should not be a plugin. But headers of the email shall contain direct link to full threads by using email ID. > - how to handle bounces? If related to list, it should be recorded that it was bounce. It should not deviate from email standards, it should just make proper recordings, which means that when email arrives, that should be recorded first, before being distributed further. But what you cannot change is human nature. Jean -- Thank you, Jean Louis Tanzanite Apollo Limited https://www.tanzaniteapollo.com Tanzanite, Tsavorite, Chrysoberyl, Moonstone, Acquamarine, you name it. Gemstone polishing factory direct from source of Tanzanite in Mirerani Town, 68 km from vulcano Kilimanjaro. To reach the office phone number please dial: +255-626-100-000 for all types of gemstones available for export. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: censorship alternatives (was: Re: )
On 14/10/2019 16:50, Jean Louis wrote: > * Daniel Pocock [2019-10-14 20:57]: >> When I wrote re-think the whole platform, I meant either finding a >> de-centralized way to distribute control of list membership or an >> alternative technology. I wasn't just thinking about everybody >> endlessly moving from one list server to the next. > > That should be so, if mailing list is set up for discussion of certain > subject and anything related to that subject, an ethical administrator > shall allow people to communicate. > > That is expected from a mailing list. > > For example GNU project is not political, and Guix people are making > it political for their agenda, but not allowing people to speak to > Guix people about the same issue they have started talking inside of > Guix space. > > That is censorship, not just moderation of off-topic communication. > > But setting up such system in place would be something similar to > Bitcoin block chain that makes sure that certain emails are always > there INSIDE of the block chain, but some are on topic and visible and > some are off-topic and not visible. > > Verification of the block chain could make sure that everybody knows > who wrote what to the mailing list even if some emails were marked as > off-topic. > > Something like that. I started thinking that maybe some of this could be done with a Thunderbird plugin, managing a BCC list in any block chain or distributed data structure. There are various questions: - does the data structure store the list of subscribers or the actual messages or both? - how do people add and remove themselves? I suspect this won't be completely immune to abuse, some users could potentially hang on to the addresses of people who unsubscribe. - which headers does the plugin need to set, e.g. just the List-Id header? - how to handle bounces? There are also some answers: for example, any individual user can make a decision to block email from another user. It is therefore a personal decision and not a moderator decision. The solution will not attempt to re-create moderation facilities. Regards, Daniel ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
censorship alternatives (was: Re: )
On 14/10/2019 16:15, Jean Louis wrote: > * Daniel Pocock [2019-10-14 19:36]: >> On 14/10/2019 14:49, ahil...@keemail.me wrote: >>> Oct 14, 2019, 13:42 by stefan.fr...@gmx.de: >>> >>> we are protected from censorship. >> >> >> >> No, you're not. Do you really believe I wouldn't consider censoring >> this list if somebody from Google arrived on my doorstep right now >> and handed me $300,000 to do so? > > Well, that is matter of integrity. > > People with integrity have no price. > > Without integrity, the limit can be lifted, it is just matter of price > for them. > > But people with integrity have something much more valuable inside, > for eternity. > >> If you want protection from censorship then it is necessary to >> re-think the whole platform, not just move to another list. > > "censorship" more relates to governments, private mailing lists are > always censored. > When I wrote "re-think the whole platform", I meant either finding a de-centralized way to distribute control of list membership or an alternative technology. I wasn't just thinking about everybody endlessly moving from one list server to the next. Regards, Daniel ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
