[pfSense-discussion] FreeNAS

2009-01-24 Thread Eugen Leitl

A customer/friend of mine needs a large (some 10 TByte) online storage.
So far the optimal match looks like FreeNAS + zfs + RAID-Z, which
is currently in pre-alpha (0.7 nightly builds). No firewall or VPN,
though.

IIRC one developer (Chris?) mentioned a number of different pfSense
possible flavors, including a NAS appliance. Will the firewall and
VPN functionality be retained, or was this to be a NAS-only flavor?


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Re: [pfSense-discussion] FreeNAS

2009-01-24 Thread apiase...@midatlanticbb.com
With that amount of space, your probably better off building a separate 
NAS Server. The package hasn't been released or mentioned in awhile so i 
wouldn't hold your breath for it.


All in one boxes are geared towards home use. Not enterprise storage.

Adam

Eugen Leitl wrote:

A customer/friend of mine needs a large (some 10 TByte) online storage.
So far the optimal match looks like FreeNAS + zfs + RAID-Z, which
is currently in pre-alpha (0.7 nightly builds). No firewall or VPN,
though.

IIRC one developer (Chris?) mentioned a number of different pfSense
possible flavors, including a NAS appliance. Will the firewall and
VPN functionality be retained, or was this to be a NAS-only flavor?


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Re: [pfSense-discussion] FreeNAS

2009-01-24 Thread Rainer Duffner


Am 24.01.2009 um 11:13 schrieb Eugen Leitl:



A customer/friend of mine needs a large (some 10 TByte) online  
storage.



Ten TB?


OpenSolaris 2008.11

That is, if you don't actually want go with one of SUN's new appliances.
What financial value do these 10TB represent?



Rainer

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Re: [pfSense-discussion] FreeNAS

2009-01-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 09:15:33AM -0500, apiase...@midatlanticbb.com wrote:
 With that amount of space, your probably better off building a separate 
 NAS Server. The package hasn't been released or mentioned in awhile so i 

Ok, FreeNAS is it, then. Unfortunately the effort seems much smaller
than pfSense, so I'm not sure zfs+RAID-Z will be well supported.

 wouldn't hold your breath for it.
 
 All in one boxes are geared towards home use. Not enterprise storage.

It's basically just a power home user. He wants several globally
distributed nodes for storage security. zfs, RAID-Z and Unison
look like the best match, and since FreeNAS has a nice web 
admin interface it's a better match than OpenSolaris.
 
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Re: [pfSense-discussion] FreeNAS

2009-01-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 04:16:07PM +0100, Rainer Duffner wrote:

 Ten TB?

Starting with about four, expandable to ten or higher. I've
seen SuperMicro SATA boxes which take 12 hotplug SATA drives
in 2U, twice that with 2.5 drives.

Right now WD consumer TByte drives go for 80 EUR, RE3 for 130.
I expect hardware is around 500-600 EUR.
 
 
 OpenSolaris 2008.11

I'll reserve that as an option of last resort, in case FreeNAS
doesn't deliver. I know Sun, and I'm wary of their promises.
 
 That is, if you don't actually want go with one of SUN's new appliances.

About one order of magnitude more expensive than what I need.
2 kEUR/box is well within the budget, 20 kEUR isn't.

 What financial value do these 10TB represent?

It's a mix of personal and corporate data for a couple people.
2-3 redundant (loosely synched via unison over WAN), in case a 
box or location dies. Access via VPN (OpenVPN, probably).

I should probably terminate the VPN tunnel on the pfSense, and
put the end point and the FreeNAS on a private VLAN.

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Re: [pfSense-discussion] FreeNAS

2009-01-24 Thread Jason Dixon
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 04:55:37PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 04:16:07PM +0100, Rainer Duffner wrote:
 
  Ten TB?
 
 Starting with about four, expandable to ten or higher. I've
 seen SuperMicro SATA boxes which take 12 hotplug SATA drives
 in 2U, twice that with 2.5 drives.
 
 Right now WD consumer TByte drives go for 80 EUR, RE3 for 130.
 I expect hardware is around 500-600 EUR.
  
  OpenSolaris 2008.11
 
 I'll reserve that as an option of last resort, in case FreeNAS
 doesn't deliver. I know Sun, and I'm wary of their promises.

We use a 5TB array (with 12 slots open) with Solaris (Nevada 104) and
ZFS for our primary backup server.  Works beautifully.

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Re: [pfSense-discussion] FreeNAS

2009-01-24 Thread Chris Buechler
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:

 IIRC one developer (Chris?) mentioned a number of different pfSense
 possible flavors,

Yes.

 including a NAS appliance.

but no to that part.  :)

That's one thing that probably won't ever be added, at least not by
any of our existing developers.

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[pfSense-discussion] VOIP traffic shaping problems

2009-01-24 Thread Joe Lagreca
I have a Trixbox VOIP PBX behind a pfSense v1.2.2.  I'm having what I
believe to be traffic shaping problems.

Overview:  We have a T-1, which tests to be about 1300/1300 kbps.

Symptoms:  When I download a large file and max our download speed,
VOIP will garble.  This is even with the traffic shaper turned on and
setup via the wizard.  Whats even more strange is that ping latency to
the INTERNAL interface of the pfSense from an internal machine jumps
significantly when are large download is running.

Can anyone explain this behavior or how it can be resolved?  I need
the VOIP calls to remain smooth for their duration, no matter what
load users attempt to put on the WAN connection.  Thanks.

Joe LaGreca
Founder  Owner, BIG Net Online
619-393-1733 x200 Office
619-318-3246 Cell
www.BIGnetOnline.com

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Re: [pfSense-discussion] FreeNAS

2009-01-24 Thread Curtis LaMasters
OpenFiler would be a great option.  I'm running 6TB on one server with MS
Exchange and SQL over iSCSI without issue.

Curtis LaMasters
http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
http://www.builtnetworks.com


On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Chris Buechler c...@pfsense.org wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
 
  IIRC one developer (Chris?) mentioned a number of different pfSense
  possible flavors,

 Yes.

  including a NAS appliance.

 but no to that part.  :)

 That's one thing that probably won't ever be added, at least not by
 any of our existing developers.

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Re: [pfSense-discussion] FreeNAS

2009-01-24 Thread jason whitt
 I love Freenas, however if he is going for home use check into UN-RAID by
lime-technology. THere are things that i do not like about it the lack of
features, but really i didn't need anything more than a windows share.
However being able to resize a raid 5 array is awesome..ZFS doesnt allow for
that yet (fingers crossed) I havent noticed any performance issues with
UN-RAID i have a few vm drives on there and various media files. however
only a handfull of machines are accesing it currently.

my $.02

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 OpenFiler would be a great option.  I'm running 6TB on one server with MS
 Exchange and SQL over iSCSI without issue.

 Curtis LaMasters
 http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
 http://www.builtnetworks.com



 On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Chris Buechler c...@pfsense.org wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
 
  IIRC one developer (Chris?) mentioned a number of different pfSense
  possible flavors,

 Yes.

  including a NAS appliance.

 but no to that part.  :)

 That's one thing that probably won't ever be added, at least not by
 any of our existing developers.

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