Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Ryan Neily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyhow, it's fixed now. You can go on complaining about something else... Since you asked, please stop sending HTML emails to the list and use plain text, it makes things so much more readable in most MUAs and in the mail archives. -Dave
Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 6-3-2008 7:43: A, now I see :-) Thanks /Claus/ hi Claus, FYI, the NTP pool introduced a geolocation DNS system a few months ago, mainly because of load distribution problems in the european pool zones. This explains why you see nearby servers, even when using world wide pool zones (including vendor zones like pfsense.pool.ntp.org). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 6-3-2008 6:23: What I see is that my pfSense talks to a number of different time servers OpenNTPd, which is used as time client on pfSense, has the ability to extract more than one server from a DNS record. The NTP pool DNS system supplies up to five servers in a DNS record. and many of those looks like ordinary ADSL subscribers which scares me a little. Maybe you object to time servers on an ADSL connection because of the asymmetric latency of such a connection (which is not good for NTP accuracy)? Note that if you're on an ADSL connection yourself, that effect is canceled out, partly restoring your accuracy. Also note that OpenNTPd is not the time client with ultimate accuracy, so it's probably not an issue. If you need more accuracy than your pfSense box can give, you would need to run ntpd on a dedicated box (and maybe even you would want to be a pool member). I know your questions were already answered, but maybe this clarifies a bit more. regards, Jan Hoevers
Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are! But only the default 0.pfsense.pool.ntp.org server is specified. What I see is that my pfSense talks to a number of different time servers and many of those looks like ordinary ADSL subscribers which scares me a little. That's the whole point http://www.pool.ntp.org/ Common for all time servers seen is that they geographical are close to where I live which made me believe that there was some kind of self configuration going on - maybe based on the timezone entered ? http://www.pool.ntp.org/use.html will explain further. Greg I poked around in the command line looking for *ntp* files but that didn't reveal anything. Claus |-Original Message- |From: Bill Marquette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Posted At: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:55 AM |Posted To: pfSense |Conversation: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service |Subject: Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service | | |On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:00 PM, jason whitt |[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | i may be wrong here however i thought there was a default |time server sync | setup in the config? | |There is. Look in System-General. Bottom of the page I believe. | |--Bill |
Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 01:32:11PM +, Paul M wrote: I too have asked him privately. I suspect he's using Lotus Notes or something equally horrible which cannot be configured sanely! That's what God invented webmail for. Can the list admin get the mail system changed to strip the recipient request headers out? The correct course of action is to boot him off on first offense. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
The correct course of action is to boot him off on first offense. This makes seven on my count
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RB wrote: No, really - I asked you once in private, now I ask you again in I too have asked him privately. I suspect he's using Lotus Notes or something equally horrible which cannot be configured sanely! Can the list admin get the mail system changed to strip the recipient request headers out? public: please turn off your foolish Outlook receipts. It is ridiculous that we have to wade through your mail client's automated spew that just tells us you received/read a given message. Most of us really don't care (or actively dislike it), and you clutter stuff up by not being a good list citizen. On 3/5/08, Ryan Neily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Return Receipt Your document: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
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Bwa ha ha! Delicious, delicious irony! I knew it was inevitable since Ryan had to read the thread at least once more before fixing things, but it was worth it to see this one come in. On 3/6/08, Ryan Neily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Return Receipt Your document: RE: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service was received by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at: 03/06/2008 09:22:47 EST
Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
Sorry guys. I have unsubscribed. Hopefully this will fix things.. Ryan Neily | | From: | | --| |Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --| | | To:| | --| |discussion@pfsense.com | --| | | Date: | | --| |03/06/2008 09:47 AM | --| | | Subject: | | --| |Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service | --| On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 01:32:11PM +, Paul M wrote: I too have asked him privately. I suspect he's using Lotus Notes or something equally horrible which cannot be configured sanely! That's what God invented webmail for. Can the list admin get the mail system changed to strip the recipient request headers out? The correct course of action is to boot him off on first offense. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE inline: graycol.gifinline: ecblank.gif
Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 02:53:19PM +, Paul M wrote: RB wrote: Bwa ha ha! Delicious, delicious irony! I knew it was inevitable since Ryan had to read the thread at least once more before fixing things, but it was worth it to see this one come in. has he fixed things? Just forward his spam to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] with full headers. If anyone on this list would start doing it, maybe his admins would wise up, and LART him. On 3/6/08, Ryan Neily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Return Receipt Your document: RE: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service was received by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at: 03/06/2008 09:22:47 EST -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
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Eugen Leitl wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 02:53:19PM +, Paul M wrote: RB wrote: Bwa ha ha! Delicious, delicious irony! I knew it was inevitable since Ryan had to read the thread at least once more before fixing things, but it was worth it to see this one come in. has he fixed things? Just forward his spam to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] with full headers. If anyone on this list would start doing it, maybe his admins would wise up, and LART him. shame SLTP never made it to a proper RFC http://buffy.sighup.org.uk/hfiles/aeds.html
Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
The real problem is that the %^$%^#$ mail program I am using does not allow you to turn of return receipts. Anyhow, it's fixed now.You can go on complaining about something else... Ryan Neily | | From: | | --| |Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --| | | To:| | --| |discussion@pfsense.com | --| | | Date: | | --| |03/06/2008 10:07 AM | --| | | Subject: | | --| |Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service | --| On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 02:53:19PM +, Paul M wrote: RB wrote: Bwa ha ha! Delicious, delicious irony! I knew it was inevitable since Ryan had to read the thread at least once more before fixing things, but it was worth it to see this one come in. has he fixed things? Just forward his spam to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] with full headers. If anyone on this list would start doing it, maybe his admins would wise up, and LART him. On 3/6/08, Ryan Neily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Return Receipt Your document: RE: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service was received by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at: 03/06/2008 09:22:47 EST -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE inline: graycol.gifinline: ecblank.gif
Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
The real problem is that the %^$%^#$ mail program I am using does not allow you to turn of return receipts. Corporate standards for the win! I feel for you, as your situation is very similar to what initially drove me to use my own address versus a corporate one. Anyhow, it's fixed now.You can go on complaining about something else... But that's not how the intarweb works, we've always got to have something to complain about!
Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
i may be wrong here however i thought there was a default time server sync setup in the config? On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 3:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I noticed that pfSense makes frequent connections to time servers (udp123) but eventhough I didn't configure anything here it manages to talk to ISP's in my neigborhood. Is there anyone who can introduce me to how this works or point me to some documentation...? Thanks *Claus* PGP *http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xBE727C09op=getexact=on * http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xBE727C09op=getexact=on
Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:00 PM, jason whitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i may be wrong here however i thought there was a default time server sync setup in the config? There is. Look in System-General. Bottom of the page I believe. --Bill
RE: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
There are! But only the default 0.pfsense.pool.ntp.org server is specified. What I see is that my pfSense talks to a number of different time servers and many of those looks like ordinary ADSL subscribers which scares me a little. Common for all time servers seen is that they geographical are close to where I live which made me believe that there was some kind of self configuration going on - maybe based on the timezone entered ? I poked around in the command line looking for *ntp* files but that didn't reveal anything. Claus |-Original Message- |From: Bill Marquette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Posted At: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:55 AM |Posted To: pfSense |Conversation: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service |Subject: Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service | | |On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:00 PM, jason whitt |[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | i may be wrong here however i thought there was a default |time server sync | setup in the config? | |There is. Look in System-General. Bottom of the page I believe. | |--Bill |
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RE: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service
A, now I see :-) Thanks Claus From: Jason Hensler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:46 AM Posted To: pfSense Conversation: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service Subject: Re: [pfSense-discussion] pfSense / Time Service Hey, You probably are seeing a few ADSL subscribers. 0.pfsense.pool.ntp.org is a distributed cluster (a pool of servers), not just one server. Check out http://www.pool.ntp.org/ for more info. Cheers, Jason Hensler
