Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 09:15:29PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/12/4 Oleg Goldshmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Another question, does anyone have experience with ordering a laptop > > from a major manufacturer (Dell, Lenovo) over the Internet - from > > Ireland or any other place - without an OS? Is it easier than buying > > a laptop in Israel and going through a small claims court to get a > > refund? It is cheaper or more expensive? Do laptops come with a > > world-wide license, so that even if I buy one from, say, Dell Ireland, > > Dell Israel will provide me with full hardware support? Oh, well, Dell > > Israel are likely to say something like, "Since you are not running > > Windows your warranty is void," and then one would have to go through a > > small claims court again, attaching the email exchange and the refund > > confirmation to the suit... > > > > With my Dell Inspiron, it was cheaper to order it with Windows than > with FreeDOS, and Ubuntu was not offered at the time. I ordered the > laptop from the 'states and had a partner that was traveling bring it > to me. That was the most hassle-free and least-expensive option. Of > course, it depends upon someone traveling across the pond in your > favor. Just checked zap.co.il . I don't assume that it covers everything, but it it should cover a wide enough range. The cheapest Dell there: http://zap.co.il/model.aspx?modelid=715012 Inspiron 1525 15.4" 2.0Ghz 250GB The two cheapest shops offer it with FreeDOS. The third cheapest seels it with XP Home edition. I didn't check further. Another model: http://zap.co.il/model.aspx?modelid=715378 Latitude E6400 14.1" 2.26GHZ 160GB Likewise: two cheapest offer it with FreeDOS. Third cheapest offers it with Vista Home edition. A more expensive model: http://zap.co.il/model.aspx?modelid=695437 Latitude D830 15.4" 2.4Ghz 160GB This time two cheaest shops sell it with Vista Business edition and third cheapest offers it with FreeDOS. And for something in the not-so-cheap-category: http://zap.co.il/model.aspx?modelid=708469 Precision M6300 17" 2.6GHZ 160GB All three cheapest shops offer it with Vista Business edition (one also bundles in MS-Office, another allows choosing between XP-Pro and Vista-Business). So what have we learned today? 1. XP Home is more expensive than FreeDOS 2. FreeDOS is more expensive than Vista-Business (err... hmm...) -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!
I am interested. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Zvi Devir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All. > > Sorry for the previous bad HTML email... I wrote to tell that Slashdot > [http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/12/03/1949230.shtml] also got the story, > and > placed a link to the Haifux website. > I am thinking of preparing a talk for Haifux about my fight sometime in the > near > future, if there is interest ;-) > > Cheers, >Zvi. > > Zvi Devir wrote: > > > > News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! > > > > Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html > ___ > Haifux mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux > ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Rafi Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Zvi, > - First, congratulations for winning this important battle ! > > - Second, I myself intend to buy a laptop in the near future. > > And indeed, after surfing many israeli websites, I found out that all > of them come with windows. I don't intend to use windows on my laptop. > So may I ask: How long this process you ran took ? (from going to > court till getting that payment) ? what do you advice me to do ? > > Or let's put it this way: it seems that your important struggle took a lot > of time and headache. You won your case. However, from what appears > in that news item, I doubt whether it is a precedent. They say there > that it was a "pshara", and it says there that they are not > binded by this case and it is "לפנים משורת הדין", > > So what do you advice me to do ? to buy and then to go to court ? > It seems to me that all the hassle of such a procedure , and > traveling from the north the vendor offices (usually in the center) > and back in case I will win it, is simply is not acceptable for me. > > And if I am not wrong, I heard that there are man known vendors who seel > laptops with free linux abroad. And this is true for quite a time. > > > Regards, > Rafi > > Hi Rafi, I have recently bought an Eee Pc by Asus from Panda, with Pre-installed Linux and no Windows. However, the EeePc is only a modest mini laptop, which might not suit your needs. Orna. ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!
Zvi, - First, congratulations for winning this important battle ! - Second, I myself intend to buy a laptop in the near future. And indeed, after surfing many israeli websites, I found out that all of them come with windows. I don't intend to use windows on my laptop. So may I ask: How long this process you ran took ? (from going to court till getting that payment) ? what do you advice me to do ? Or let's put it this way: it seems that your important struggle took a lot of time and headache. You won your case. However, from what appears in that news item, I doubt whether it is a precedent. They say there that it was a "pshara", and it says there that they are not binded by this case and it is "לפנים משורת הדין", So what do you advice me to do ? to buy and then to go to court ? It seems to me that all the hassle of such a procedure , and traveling from the north the vendor offices (usually in the center) and back in case I will win it, is simply is not acceptable for me. And if I am not wrong, I heard that there are man known vendors who seel laptops with free linux abroad. And this is true for quite a time. Regards, Rafi On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Zvi Devir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! > > Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html > > ___ > Haifux mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux > > ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!
That is fantastic!!! Have you gave a notable statement yet? (one small step for man kinda statement...) On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Zvi Devir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! > > Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html > > > > ___ > Haifux mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux > > ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!
Well done. Congratulations. Thanks for insisting for publicity as well. Now it's time for party. ;-) On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Adir Abraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Congratulations. You rock :) > > On 12/3/08, Zvi Devir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! >> >> Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> Haifux mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux >> >> > > ___ > Haifux mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux > > ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!
Bravo Zvi! What was the reason not to go to court, though? I mean, I don't suppose you needed the 550 so badly... :-) Eyal ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!
That is not just a newsflash, that is a great achievement for you and for all of us! Well done! Orna. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Zvi Devir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! > > Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html > > ___ > Haifux mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux > > ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!
Eyal Rozenberg wrote: > Bravo Zvi! > > What was the reason not to go to court, though? I mean, I don't suppose > you needed the 550 so badly... :-) > What is the reason to go to court? They agreed to giving him everything he asked for, plus not require him to keep silent about it. It's not as if small claims can set a binding precedence anyways. Shachar ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!
Congratulations. You rock :) On 12/3/08, Zvi Devir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! > > Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html > > > > ___ > Haifux mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux > > ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
