Re: [Diversity-talk] UK Chapter Feedback on Diversity Statement

2020-04-23 Thread Rory McCann
Yes the diversity statement has been beneficial. Plenty of people from 
marginalized groups have experienced lots of bad things, so one cannot assume 
that everyone agrees 

On 23 April 2020 20:41:05 CEST, "Sören Reinecke via Diversity-talk" 
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Re: [Diversity-talk] UK Chapter Feedback on Diversity Statement

2020-04-23 Thread Sören Reinecke via Diversity-talk
Hey,is a Diversity Statement really necessary? I mean we are people who want diversity and we know that diversity is important for society's survival.CheersSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Diversity-talk] UK Chapter Feedback on Diversity StatementFrom: Rory McCann To: Adam Hoyle ,diversity-talk@openstreetmap.orgCC: Hi Adam,Thanks for the feedback from OSMUK.The 2nd line of the Diversity Statement says:> We have created this diversity statement because we believe that a diverse OpenStreetMap community is stronger and more vibrant. A diverse community where people treat each other with respect has more potential contributors and more sources for ideas, and will create a better map. Which could be read as a “why”. Personally, I view combating racism/sexism/bigotry as a moral imperative. Also some OSM groups around the world have welcomed the statement.Just FYI there is no Diversity Working Group, but instead a Special Committee. Working Groups are semi-permanent. This mailing list is for general interest in OSM & diversity and isn't specifically for the Diveristy & Inclusivity Special Committeee (DISCo!)(Although I am on this list and on the DISCo)On 19.04.20 22:38, Adam Hoyle wrote:> Hi Diversity Working Group,> > I'm writing on behalf of the UK Local Chapter (OSMUK). Regarding the OSM > Foundation Diversity Statement, we asked our members whether they > supported the statement and to provide any anonymous feedback which we > could pass on to the working group.> > The result was a broad level of support, with a few points, which I am > passing to you here:> >   I don't personally understand the problems yet and would love to> find out, and increase the size and breadth of the community.> > >   I support this as it is, on the basis that any pro-diversity> statement is better than none, but I think it's missing some> important points. It says that OSM wants a more diverse community> but not why! And it also fails to say clearly that diversity is> good, and that discrimination is also bad.> I would suggest, for example, adding a new sentence between the> second and third sentences like "We believe that the greater the> diversity in our community, the better OpenStreetMap will be.”> > >   It's a sad comment on life today that this is even necessary. Also> a policy statement is merely a set of fine words which will remain> empty without an action plan and without an enforcement procedure.> > >   I also agree with the comment about adding a sentence explaining why.> > > > Best,> > Adam> > ___> Diversity-talk mailing list> Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org> ___Diversity-talk mailing listCode of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConductContact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org___
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