Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:  timgraham
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
  commands)  |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  1.9  | Triage Stage:  Ready for
 |  checkin
Has patch:  1|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by Tim Graham ):

 In [changeset:"20dfd02db0e57006bec763d67c8845987cc37740" 20dfd02]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="20dfd02db0e57006bec763d67c8845987cc37740"
 [1.8.x] Refs #25144 -- Revised deprecation timeline: migrations won't
 become compulsory.

 Backport of e133b55943f26e87cff5b22215a776a9ce3fc6f3 from master
 }}}

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Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:  timgraham
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
  commands)  |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  1.9  | Triage Stage:  Ready for
 |  checkin
Has patch:  1|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by Tim Graham ):

 In [changeset:"2d2eeff3b1cbdaa3b8f22a904da044ac709cc07e" 2d2eeff]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="2d2eeff3b1cbdaa3b8f22a904da044ac709cc07e"
 [1.7.x] Refs #25144 -- Revised deprecation timeline: migrations won't
 become compulsory.

 Backport of e133b55943f26e87cff5b22215a776a9ce3fc6f3 from master
 }}}

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Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:  timgraham
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
  commands)  |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  1.9  | Triage Stage:  Ready for
 |  checkin
Has patch:  1|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Changes (by Tim Graham ):

 * status:  assigned => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


Comment:

 In [changeset:"721d8e50ac2e1545ee112000f6e852f56c51d9f8" 721d8e5]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="721d8e50ac2e1545ee112000f6e852f56c51d9f8"
 Fixed #25144 -- Allowed migrate to create tables for apps without
 migrations.
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Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:  timgraham
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
  commands)  |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  1.9  | Triage Stage:  Ready for
 |  checkin
Has patch:  1|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
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Comment (by Tim Graham ):

 In [changeset:"e133b55943f26e87cff5b22215a776a9ce3fc6f3" e133b55]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="e133b55943f26e87cff5b22215a776a9ce3fc6f3"
 Refs #25144 -- Revised deprecation timeline: migrations won't become
 compulsory.
 }}}

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Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:  timgraham
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
  commands)  |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  1.9  | Triage Stage:  Ready for
 |  checkin
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Changes (by MarkusH):

 * stage:  Accepted => Ready for checkin


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Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:  timgraham
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
  commands)  |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  1.9  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Changes (by timgraham):

 * status:  new => assigned
 * owner:   => timgraham
 * has_patch:  0 => 1


Comment:

 A [https://github.com/django/django/pull/5212 possible solution].

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Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  new
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
  commands)  |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  1.9  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Changes (by timgraham):

 * keywords:   => 1.9
 * type:  Bug => New feature
 * severity:  Release blocker => Normal
 * stage:  Unreviewed => Accepted


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Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  new
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
  commands)  |
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:
 |  Unreviewed
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Comment (by JulianGindi):

 Tim, good idea. I'll pitch my ideas and get feedback before jumping into
 this one. Un-assigning for now in case someone more qualified comes by and
 wants to take a crack at it.

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Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  new
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
  commands)  |
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
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Changes (by JulianGindi):

 * owner:  JulianGindi =>
 * status:  assigned => new


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Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:
 |  JulianGindi
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
  commands)  |
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:
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Comment (by timgraham):

 Hi Julian, I'd suggest to sketch out your ideas and say how it will relate
 to #24481 before diving too deep into an implementation.

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Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:
 |  JulianGindi
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
  commands)  |
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:
 |  Unreviewed
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Changes (by JulianGindi):

 * owner:  nobody => JulianGindi
 * status:  new => assigned


Comment:

 I'm going to take a stab at this, if I don't make some good progress in
 the next couple of days, I'll release the ticket.

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Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  new
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
  commands)  |
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:
 |  Unreviewed
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Comment (by timgraham):

 Claude has proposed the idea on the [https://groups.google.com/d/topic
 /django-developers/qHP4ZQSK9xM/discussion mailing list]. I don't think
 there are any objections to the idea, and I think we mostly just need a
 viable patch.

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Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  new
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
  commands)  |
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
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Comment (by MarkusH):

 I think it is more related to the outcome of #24481 and how we proceed
 with the removal of syncdb. I'm not convinced anymore that enforcing
 migrations for every app is the right choice. I try to write down my
 thoughts during PyConAU on django-developers.

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Re: [Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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 Reporter:  MarkusH  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  new
Component:  Core (Management |  Version:  master
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 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:
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Comment (by timgraham):

 Can we consider it a duplicate of #24919? Why is it a blocker despite the
 deprecation?

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[Django] #25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations

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#25144: No way to create tables for apps without migrations
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   Reporter:  MarkusH|  Owner:  nobody
   Type:  Bug| Status:  new
  Component:  Core   |Version:  master
  (Management commands)  |
   Severity:  Release|   Keywords:
  blocker|
   Triage Stage: |  Has patch:  0
  Unreviewed |
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Patch needs improvement:  0  |  Easy pickings:  0
  UI/UX:  0  |
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 The `migrate` management command uses a undocumented flag `run_syncdb`
 which is used within our own test suite as well as when creating the test
 databases. However, there is now way to pass this flag to the command and
 thus no database tables for apps without migrations are created.

 I mark this as a release blocker as it is currently impossible to create
 the database tables, even though the 1.7 release notes stated we are going
 to drop that support with 1.9.

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