Re: Inside look at Ellington?
On Nov 17, 9:16 am, "James Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Screenshots probably wouldn't be all that exciting, though, because > they'd just look like the Django admin interface -- that's what they > are, really (we eat our own dogfood). Perhaps some screencasts or flash demos of Ellington in action (admin app in particular) could be good PR for both, Django and Ellington. -- serg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: So I made a forum with Django
On Nov 4, 6:30 pm, "Rob Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Or throw it up on Google Code and start accepting patches and things. > One thing I'm wanting to add to the forums I'm going to create is a > thumbs up/thumbs down thing similar to Digg so users can set the forum > to not show them posts lower than a certain threshold. I like the idea too. It also called signal-noise ratio (for example http://forums.luxology.com/) But for bigger discussions (like this newsgroup) perhaps a little more sophisticated rating system needed - to distinguish good article from just good answer to a question, and over all thread worthiness. -- serg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: So I made a forum with Django
On Nov 3, 8:15 pm, "argh44z" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm thinking about cleaning up the code and open-sourcing it. Is anyone > interested? I ask this because 3 weeks ago when I started working on > it, I didn't really see much forum software written with Django that > was in much actual usage. There were things like Zyons and Myghty, but > I didn't see many sites using them. Sure! The forum project is one I personally most interested. BTW, it's a bit embarrassing that sites like djangoforums.org actually uses PHP forum engine =) -- serg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need an advice: simple Online Store project (long)
No, I wasn't. Thanks for pointing out. Although I didn't found (yet) anything regarding attributes inheritance, project itself looks interesting. And it have it's own news group! Perhaps worth to checkout code... On Oct 16, 11:35 pm, Steven Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you aware of satchmo? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Need an advice: simple Online Store project (long)
Hello. I'd like to try to build a simple (I believe) project with Django - an Online Store. That is, browseble and manageable catalog of arbitrary goods. Here is the draft data models for my project. * Item. Representation of actual goods. Belong to one of the Categories. Category defines attributes, which may have values. As well inherit attributes from all parent categories. * Category. Hierarchy tree consist of Category entities. Each of categories can have arbitrary set of Attributes. * Attribute. Simple attribute of a Category. Defines name and type (text, int, bool, etc.). Possibly, can be shared between categories. * AttributeValue. Concrete value of Attribute. Each belong to individual item. assumptions: * Parent attributes should be inherited - that's the nature of real-world hierarchies. * Same attributes may be used in different categories not through inheritance (that is, many to many relationship). For example car audio and computer parts usually does have a brand, but fruits usually doesn't. Example (categories are in '', and attributes are in []): 'root' [name, price] |-'electronics' [brand] | |-'car audio' | | |-'in-dash receivers' [has_removable_panel, plays_mp3] | | \-'speakers' [power, size] | \-'portable players' [battery_capacity] |-'computers' [brand] | |-'workstations' [cpu, ram, hdd] | |-'laptops' [battery_capacity, cpu, ram, hdd] | \-'parts' \-'books' [publisher, author, pages] |-'science fiction' \-'for kids' E.g. every Item in 'laptops' Category can have unique AttributeValue for [name, price, brand, battery_capacity, cpu, ram, hdd] Attribute. My concerns are: - how to implement attributes hierarchy (inheritance part) with Django models API? - Is there a way to use built-in admin interface to manage this data? - There are maybe flaws in assumptions and/or data models for given subject. For example I'm not sure if many-to-many relations are best for attributes - maybe duplicate attributes could be used instead. Or force user to refactor hierarchy to avoid attribute duplications... Thanks. -- serg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mod_python
Note, that you have to restart apache after you make changes in your python source files. On Oct 13, 4:04 am, "doug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am setting up mod_python on test server and having some problems. I > am getting 'it worked!' initially- I am able to access admin and set up > flatpages. But I hit a wall when just trying to do 'polls' app ... > getting 404s only . No problem when using development server. > > test server with settings is here-> http://oviparo.us > > Thanks-Doug --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
What IDE do you use? (semi-OT)
Hello everybody, sorry if it may sounds a bit of off-topic, but still... I'd like to know what editor/IDE Django users (and developers) uses on daily basis, to boost development process. And why exactly - what features you find useful, how it helps you to save time (or just makes coding enjoyable, which probably increase productivity as well). Kind of best practices in terms of tools. Personally, I use EditPlus (Windows). Not really IDE, but I like it's minimalistic beauty. At least I see it so. But often I feel like I miss project-level code navigation (like Class Explorer in VisualC++). Code completion perhaps could be useful (not sure yet). I have (periodically in fact) tried Komodo (3.5, 4.0) Eclipse (pydev, trustudio), and recently WingIDE. But for different reasons I'm not happy with them... Thanks, -- serg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Django's target applications?
I'd like to add that I came to Python actually because of Django. I have watched for long time different frameworks (of different languages) and Django seems most like-minded to me. And I was pleasantly surprised on how mod_python and Django actually works. The fact that mod_python caching (compiled?) scripts in memory is just great. That is what I always wanted! And its probably Django's feature (I m not sure yet how it works) - some operations, like evaluation of settings and url files done only once, at application start up, not on every page hit. Even better than one could imagine! That is pretty much issue for PHP. I was forced to actually cache stuff that could be computed only once, by serializing this data. But still there was some overhead (although unserialization is even cheaper than evaluation of actual PHP code). That alone just amazing and worth considering to use Django/mod_puthon regardless of other framework features. -- serg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Django's target applications?
Thanks for replays, everyone. My fault - I didn't said I already went through official tutorial, some of the documentation and faq. I have set up and studied django website sources, and also red a few articles, including "How Django processes a request" (both, James and Simon's). Presentations from google techtalks and snakes-and-rubies thing were quite interesting - general overview of framework with examples, etc. - You should do more of such things probably. And Tom's screencast of course... Still, I do not understand this "shared-nothing" thing. Sounds like cool marketing slogan =) Regarding performance. Throwing more ram, moving tasks to separated rigs, and setting caching proxy rigs are indeed effective options. But not in first place. In fact this should be more like last resort. Framework-level caching on different stages are much better solution. Even better is what is called "to do things faster is to do less". It is one of my mantras (I share yours as well - DRY, Loose Coupling, and Explicit is Better). Although often they might conflict with each other - Explicit is Better vs Less Code, and Faster is Less vs DRY/Quick Development... To not violate the "Faster is Less" principle, one should know framework pretty well, and framework itself should presuppose this on design level. Thats what I was asking about - does Django scales good in term of application growth (not just data growth, in fact usually it is both). Adding more and more features often lead to application doing unnecessary stuff behind scenes. Things that could be avoided - computations, database calls, etc. That is, just waste of resources. Or else, it will lead to loosing abstraction level in favor of performance. That is, maintenance hell. Its hard to me to explain my concerns exactly, but hope you got the idea. I looked though list of Django-powered sites, and surfed some of them. But it can't tell me how they works. What set up the use, and how big they are in terms of domain logic and how efficient resulted (framework + site) code is. So I just asked here =) Question should be more like "Do Django designed to helps big sophisticated projects to stay maintainable and yet efficient in terms of performance while growing further?" I'm sure for good developers it is possible to achieve this with or without any framework, but key is "Do Django *designed*" that way? -- serg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Django's target applications?
Hello, I'm new to Django (and Python) and have a few general questions. Is Django meant to be used to create a sophisticated (as opposite to rapid) web applications such as (for example) forums or e-shops? With all bells and whistles, you know... Does applications written on top of Django framework are scalable (for example - newsgroup application like this one (Google groups) and systems like eBay or Amazon)? My questions are both in terms of performance and domain logic. E.g. How easy/painful to maintain big Django-based project and how small/big is performance overhead in such applications. I'm asking because rapid web application development (RAD, RWAD?) is indeed cool (and in real life deadlines are quite issues), but I'm more interested in development of robust, maintainable, and scalable (mostly big) applications. Thanks. -- serg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
