Re: Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects"?

[Ben]

I recently read both and went thru all the examples in Pracitical
Django Projects.  It was a bit tough at first because some of it is a
little dated, but actually figuring out how to adapt it to 1.0 is
actually a good exercise in itself (learning how to debug and actually
understanding how things work).  I found learned a lot more this way
than if everything went smoothly by coping the examples.

There is also a doc that specifically points out what are backwards
incompatible changes 
http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/BackwardsIncompatibleChanges

-Ben



On Jan 5, 5:16 pm, "David Zhou"  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:57 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
>
>  wrote:
>
> > On Monday 05 Jan 2009 2:10:34 pm David Zhou wrote:
> >> >> and covers a lot of materials.
> >> >> What do you think?
>
> >> > As the author, I recommend waiting a couple months.
>
> >> Are you planning to update Practical Django Projects to 1.0?
>
> > isnt that obvious from the answer?
>
> Your perpetual grouchiness aside, not in any substantial way.
>
> Will the update be new online errata? Or a brand new printed version?
> Or perhaps a brand new volume?  A vague "wait a couple months" doesn't
> impart any real detail -- hence the further prompting.
>
> Perhaps there is no more detail to give at this stage.
>
> But then, that's not really for you to decide, is it?
>
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> da...@nodnod.net

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Re: Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects"?

[waltbrad]

On Jan 5, 3:21 am, HB <hubaghd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey,
> I'm reading "The Definitive Guide To Django" but it is too out dated.
> Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects" instead?
> It seems to me that "The Definitive Guide To Django" is more organized
> and covers a lot of materials.
> What do you think?
> Thanks.

I'm in the boat of going through "PDP".   I first went through instant-
django and then the django tutorial.  Reading "Practical" I found a
lot of help from this site:

http://tinyurl.com/4y6saw

I generally found that if I had a problem with the book, reading
Brett's comments made me see why I was having that problem.

Although even that didn't really help with writing the templates for
tagging. But I learned a lot from helping myself.

All the broken code aside, this book gives a lot of great examples of
django in action. Just be prepared to be frustrated and learn to
peruse the django documentation.

I intend to do a comprehensive reading of the django topic guides
after I'm done with this book.

http://tinyurl.com/7b9hoc


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Re: Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects"?

[Margie]

I was a total web framework newbie and got started with the SAMS
book.  I think it's called "learn Django in 24 hours" or something
like that.  It has a ton of errors and from that standpoint, it not a
good book.  However, it is the only book I've found that really leads
you step by step through creating a vey basic site.  I was able to
figure out the errors by searching around on the web.  Creating their
basic web site and having that hands on, practical code to refer to
was very helpful, in my opinion.  It definitely goes into much more
depth than the online tutorial.

I am now reading "Python Web Development with Django", by Forcier,
Bissex and Chun.  It is a better book, but since I was very
inexperienced in this area to start with, I don't think I really would
have understood it without first doing something more hands-on.



On Jan 5, 10:38 am, Benjamin Buch <benni.b...@gmx.de> wrote:
> I agree, Practical Django Projects is a great book!
> Altough I would only recommend it if you've read the docs and worked  
> you way through the tutorial (which are both excellent as someone  
> mentioned earlier...)
> It's full of best practices and a lot of bits and pieces that are not  
> covered by the tutorial.
> Which is good by the way because the tutorial is clearly for  
> beginners, and Practical Django Projects is more towards the  
> intermediate djangonaut I would say.
> As brad says, it gives you more of the big picture.
>
> I've learned a lot from it!
>
> So if you've got some time, wait a few months, if you are to eager or  
> to curious to learn django, just go and get it.
> Altough it's a little bit outdated, the biggest part of it (especially  
> best practices) is still up to date.
> If you know some django, you will recognize the parts where it's  
> behind django 1.0.2.
>
> benjamin
>
> Am 05.01.2009 um 15:42 schrieb brad:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 5, 2:21 am, HB <hubaghd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects" instead?
>
> > I got this book as soon as it came out, and very soon after Django hit
> > 1.0.  It's a good book, and I learned a few "big picture" ideas from
> > the sample apps, but I really had to read the docs to figure out how
> > to do the specifics.
>
> > If you're looking for the "big picture", grab it from a library or
> > borrow it from a friend.. otherwise, wait for the next edition or just
> > read the docs (which are very excellent, btw).- Hide quoted text -
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Re: Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects"?

[Benjamin Buch]

I agree, Practical Django Projects is a great book!
Altough I would only recommend it if you've read the docs and worked  
you way through the tutorial (which are both excellent as someone  
mentioned earlier...)
It's full of best practices and a lot of bits and pieces that are not  
covered by the tutorial.
Which is good by the way because the tutorial is clearly for  
beginners, and Practical Django Projects is more towards the  
intermediate djangonaut I would say.
As brad says, it gives you more of the big picture.

I've learned a lot from it!

So if you've got some time, wait a few months, if you are to eager or  
to curious to learn django, just go and get it.
Altough it's a little bit outdated, the biggest part of it (especially  
best practices) is still up to date.
If you know some django, you will recognize the parts where it's  
behind django 1.0.2.

benjamin

Am 05.01.2009 um 15:42 schrieb brad:

>
>
> On Jan 5, 2:21 am, HB <hubaghd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects" instead?
>
> I got this book as soon as it came out, and very soon after Django hit
> 1.0.  It's a good book, and I learned a few "big picture" ideas from
> the sample apps, but I really had to read the docs to figure out how
> to do the specifics.
>
> If you're looking for the "big picture", grab it from a library or
> borrow it from a friend.. otherwise, wait for the next edition or just
> read the docs (which are very excellent, btw).


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Re: Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects"?

[Peter Herndon]

"Practical Django Projects" is a bit dated at the moment -- Django has
been moving very quickly.  However, there's a lot to learn from it,
particularly regarding structuring your applications to be reusable,
and lots of other best practices.

I'm in the middle of "Python Web Development with Django" by Jeff
Forcier, Paul Bissex and Wesley Chun, and while it almost covers 1.0,
it was obviously written mostly before 1.0 and updated as and when
possible.  The lag time between manuscript completion and printing is
long, so it's hard to be current considering Django's velocity.  That
said, it is a very good book, with some really good information in it.

Admittedly I'm something of an infovore, so my response should be
taken with a grain of salt, but if you have the time I'd recommend you
work through Forcier, et al. and refer back to the online
documentation as needed to flesh out individual topics.  *Then* go
back and take in James' book, sifting through it for the
still-relevant pieces.  But, if you've worked through the online
tutorial, your best teacher will be a comprehensive project of your
own.  Pick something that you need, and write it.  Refer back to the
online docs for specifics, and ask questions as needed to fill in the
blanks and keep you headed in the right direction.  Experience is the
best teacher, and if you already know Python reasonably well, Django
will fit your Pythonic expectations well.

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:42 AM, brad <bkmontgom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2:21 am, HB <hubaghd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects" instead?
>
> I got this book as soon as it came out, and very soon after Django hit
> 1.0.  It's a good book, and I learned a few "big picture" ideas from
> the sample apps, but I really had to read the docs to figure out how
> to do the specifics.
>
> If you're looking for the "big picture", grab it from a library or
> borrow it from a friend.. otherwise, wait for the next edition or just
> read the docs (which are very excellent, btw).
>
> >
>

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Re: Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects"?

[brad]

On Jan 5, 2:21 am, HB <hubaghd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects" instead?

I got this book as soon as it came out, and very soon after Django hit
1.0.  It's a good book, and I learned a few "big picture" ideas from
the sample apps, but I really had to read the docs to figure out how
to do the specifics.

If you're looking for the "big picture", grab it from a library or
borrow it from a friend.. otherwise, wait for the next edition or just
read the docs (which are very excellent, btw).

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Re: Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects"?

[David Zhou]

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:57 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
 wrote:
>
> On Monday 05 Jan 2009 2:10:34 pm David Zhou wrote:
>> >> and covers a lot of materials.
>> >> What do you think?
>> >
>> > As the author, I recommend waiting a couple months.
>>
>> Are you planning to update Practical Django Projects to 1.0?
>
> isnt that obvious from the answer?

Your perpetual grouchiness aside, not in any substantial way.

Will the update be new online errata? Or a brand new printed version?
Or perhaps a brand new volume?  A vague "wait a couple months" doesn't
impart any real detail -- hence the further prompting.

Perhaps there is no more detail to give at this stage.

But then, that's not really for you to decide, is it?

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da...@nodnod.net

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Re: Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects"?

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Monday 05 Jan 2009 2:10:34 pm David Zhou wrote:
> >> and covers a lot of materials.
> >> What do you think?
> >
> > As the author, I recommend waiting a couple months.
>
> Are you planning to update Practical Django Projects to 1.0?

isnt that obvious from the answer?

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Re: Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects"?

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Monday 05 Jan 2009 2:05:16 pm HB wrote:
> I'm trying to learn Django, what to do right now? :p

use the onsite tutorial

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Re: Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects"?

[David Zhou]

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:27 AM, James Bennett <ubernost...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Jan 5, 2:21 am, HB <hubaghd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey,
>> I'm reading "The Definitive Guide To Django" but it is too out dated.
>> Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects" instead?
>> It seems to me that "The Definitive Guide To Django" is more organized
>> and covers a lot of materials.
>> What do you think?
>
> As the author, I recommend waiting a couple months.

Are you planning to update Practical Django Projects to 1.0?

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Re: Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects"?

[HB]

I'm trying to learn Django, what to do right now? :p

On Jan 5, 10:27 am, James Bennett <ubernost...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 5, 2:21 am, HB <hubaghd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> > I'm reading "The Definitive Guide To Django" but it is too out dated.
> > Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects" instead?
> > It seems to me that "The Definitive Guide To Django" is more organized
> > and covers a lot of materials.
> > What do you think?
>
> As the author, I recommend waiting a couple months.
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Re: Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects"?

[James Bennett]

On Jan 5, 2:21 am, HB <hubaghd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey,
> I'm reading "The Definitive Guide To Django" but it is too out dated.
> Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects" instead?
> It seems to me that "The Definitive Guide To Django" is more organized
> and covers a lot of materials.
> What do you think?

As the author, I recommend waiting a couple months.
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Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects"?

[HB]

Hey,
I'm reading "The Definitive Guide To Django" but it is too out dated.
Do you recommend "Practical Django Projects" instead?
It seems to me that "The Definitive Guide To Django" is more organized
and covers a lot of materials.
What do you think?
Thanks.
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