Re: [dmarc-ietf] Messages from the dmarc list for the week ending Sun Apr 30 06:00:04 2023

2023-04-30 Thread Scott Kitterman


On April 30, 2023 4:06:49 PM UTC, Hector iPhone6 
 wrote:
>
>
>> On Apr 30, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Eliot Lear  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30.04.23 13:49, Hector Santos wrote:
>>> What is the count based on?  Is the count the amount of mail created since 
>>> the last date of this report which was 1 week ago? 
>>> 
>>> Did Scott create 25 messages and myself 14 messages in one week? I don't 
>>> think so. 
>> 
>> I do.
>> 
>> Here's what I learned after a few minutes of review.  The point of the 
>> script is to help you self-moderate, so perhaps there's something for you to 
>> discover in these numbers. At the very least, you could check the IETF mail 
>> archives before complaining.
>> 
>> Eliot
>> 
>
>Fair enough.  I count 12-13 so there is a bug. 
>
>So is this point is this report? 
>
>To shame people for participating like Scott, myself and the other top 10?  
>
>How about shaming those that seem to only post to shame others? Th low posters 
>that dont really care with top posters are saying. 
>
>How about showing a report that shows the top posters and top topics, and most 
>important, the response rate to compare which post have no responses. That 
>would have a better feel representation of WG than rather trying to shame 
>people.

I, for one, appreciate the reports.  When working for consensus that's only as 
rough as it absolutely needs to be, it's important to hear from all voices and 
that one voice doesn't drown out the others.  In the past, I have been 
surprised at how much I was posting and took it as a sign to think twice before 
hitting send.

Shame, however, has nothing to do with it.  The IETF process works better when 
one person doesn't try to monopolize the conversation.  I have no shortage of 
opinions on the topics addressed on this list and can sometimes use the 
reminder that less can be more.

Scott K

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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Messages from the dmarc list for the week ending Sun Apr 30 06:00:04 2023

2023-04-30 Thread John Levine
It appears that Eliot Lear   said:
>
>On 30.04.23 13:49, Hector Santos wrote:
>> What is the count based on?  Is the count the amount of mail created 
>> since the last date of this report which was 1 week ago?
>>
>> Did Scott create 25 messages and myself 14 messages in one week? I 
>> don't think so.
>
>I do.

If anyone's wondering where those counts come from, it's a little python script
that counts the messages in the IETF's IMAP server.  You can try it yourself
if you want:

https://www.taugh.com/imapcount/

R's,
John

PS: Please note reply-to, since this is not related to getting our DMARC drafts 
done.

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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Messages from the dmarc list for the week ending Sun Apr 30 06:00:04 2023

2023-04-30 Thread Hector iPhone6


> On Apr 30, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Eliot Lear  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30.04.23 13:49, Hector Santos wrote:
>> What is the count based on?  Is the count the amount of mail created since 
>> the last date of this report which was 1 week ago? 
>> 
>> Did Scott create 25 messages and myself 14 messages in one week? I don't 
>> think so. 
> 
> I do.
> 
> Here's what I learned after a few minutes of review.  The point of the script 
> is to help you self-moderate, so perhaps there's something for you to 
> discover in these numbers. At the very least, you could check the IETF mail 
> archives before complaining.
> 
> Eliot
> 

Fair enough.  I count 12-13 so there is a bug. 

So is this point is this report? 

To shame people for participating like Scott, myself and the other top 10?  

How about shaming those that seem to only post to shame others? Th low posters 
that dont really care with top posters are saying. 

How about showing a report that shows the top posters and top topics, and most 
important, the response rate to compare which post have no responses. That 
would have a better feel representation of WG than rather trying to shame 
people.

I have such a groupware report generator.

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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Messages from the dmarc list for the week ending Sun Apr 30 06:00:04 2023

2023-04-30 Thread Eliot Lear


On 30.04.23 13:49, Hector Santos wrote:
What is the count based on?  Is the count the amount of mail created 
since the last date of this report which was 1 week ago?


Did Scott create 25 messages and myself 14 messages in one week? I 
don't think so.



I do.

Here's what I learned after a few minutes of review.  The point of the 
script is to help you self-moderate, so perhaps there's something for 
you to discover in these numbers. At the very least, you could check the 
IETF mail archives before complaining.


Eliot


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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Messages from the dmarc list for the week ending Sun Apr 30 06:00:04 2023

2023-04-30 Thread Benny Pedersen

Hector Santos skrev den 2023-04-30 13:49:

and i top posted once with one msg ? :=)

can it be with extended info like DMARC,DKIM,ARC,SPF,ADSP you name it ?


What is the count based on?  Is the count the amount of mail created
since the last date of this report which was 1 week ago?

Did Scott create 25 messages and myself 14 messages in one week? I
don't think so.


On 4/30/2023 5:59 AM, John Levine wrote:

Count|  Bytes |  Who
++---
  94 ( 100%) | 946980 ( 100%) | Total
  25 (26.6%) | 200417 (21.2%) | Scott Kitterman 
  14 (14.9%) | 190300 (20.1%) | Hector Santos 
  12 (12.8%) |  81505 ( 8.6%) | Alessandro Vesely 
   9 ( 9.6%) | 102937 (10.9%) | Jesse Thompson 
   7 ( 7.4%) | 123062 (13.0%) | Brotman, Alex 

   6 ( 6.4%) |  95933 (10.1%) | Douglas Foster 


   6 ( 6.4%) |  31018 ( 3.3%) | John Levine 
   3 ( 3.2%) |  30536 ( 3.2%) | Dotzero 
   3 ( 3.2%) |  17389 ( 1.8%) | Matthäus Wander 
   2 ( 2.1%) |  25665 ( 2.7%) | Barry Leiba 
   2 ( 2.1%) |  12106 ( 1.3%) | John R. Levine 
   2 ( 2.1%) |   5589 ( 0.6%) |  
   1 ( 1.1%) |  20637 ( 2.2%) | Seth Blank 
   1 ( 1.1%) |   5569 ( 0.6%) | Benny Pedersen 
   1 ( 1.1%) |   4317 ( 0.5%) | Jim Fenton 

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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Messages from the dmarc list for the week ending Sun Apr 30 06:00:04 2023

2023-04-30 Thread Hector Santos
What is the count based on?  Is the count the amount of mail created 
since the last date of this report which was 1 week ago?


Did Scott create 25 messages and myself 14 messages in one week? I 
don't think so.



On 4/30/2023 5:59 AM, John Levine wrote:

Count|  Bytes |  Who
++---
  94 ( 100%) | 946980 ( 100%) | Total
  25 (26.6%) | 200417 (21.2%) | Scott Kitterman 
  14 (14.9%) | 190300 (20.1%) | Hector Santos 
  12 (12.8%) |  81505 ( 8.6%) | Alessandro Vesely 
   9 ( 9.6%) | 102937 (10.9%) | Jesse Thompson 
   7 ( 7.4%) | 123062 (13.0%) | Brotman, Alex 
   6 ( 6.4%) |  95933 (10.1%) | Douglas Foster 

   6 ( 6.4%) |  31018 ( 3.3%) | John Levine 
   3 ( 3.2%) |  30536 ( 3.2%) | Dotzero 
   3 ( 3.2%) |  17389 ( 1.8%) | Matthäus Wander 
   2 ( 2.1%) |  25665 ( 2.7%) | Barry Leiba 
   2 ( 2.1%) |  12106 ( 1.3%) | John R. Levine 
   2 ( 2.1%) |   5589 ( 0.6%) |  
   1 ( 1.1%) |  20637 ( 2.2%) | Seth Blank 
   1 ( 1.1%) |   5569 ( 0.6%) | Benny Pedersen 
   1 ( 1.1%) |   4317 ( 0.5%) | Jim Fenton 

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