Re: [DMM] Additional questions/comments on draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-13

2021-07-28 Thread Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) 
Resending as there was a typo.

Inline with PC2.

Thanks.

From: Sridhar Bhaskaran 
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draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-13

Hi Pablo / Dave all,

See my additional comment inline marked [SB]

Regards
Sridhar

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:06 AM Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) 
mailto:40cisco@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
Hi Dave,

Many thanks for your comments. Inline with PC.

Cheers,
Pablo.

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David Allan I
Sent: viernes, 23 de julio de 2021 19:51
To: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] Additional questions/comments on 
draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-13

Hi:

Looking over this draft it strikes me that IF you are discussing a GTP 
replacement, there are a few unaddressed gaps...or at least I see no mention of 
them.

-  adding X2 to the list of interfaces to be supported
[PC] Do you think there is any new mechanism to be added to the currently 
defined ones?
[SB] If we are including X2 then F1U also needs to be considered. Both X2 and 
F1U also have GTPU flow control mechanism defined in TS 38.425. I am not sure 
if a corresponding feedback mechanism exists in SRv6 for flow control.
[PC2] The user plane message encoding, or Flow control, is out of the scope of 
this draft; but covered in draft-murakami-dmm-user-plane-message-encoding.
Speaking as a co-author of draft-murakami: up to now we did not consider F1U, 
but if the working group believes there is value, then we could add it. Thanks.


-  support for end-marker for handoff stream synchronization (probably could 
fit the unused bit in Args.Mob.Session but frankly I have not studied this in 
detail)
[PC] User Plane Message encoding is out of the scope of this draft. However, 
draft-murakami-dmm-user-plane-message-encoding-03 proposes a mechanism to 
encode the Echo Request, Echo Reply, Error Indication, and End Marker.

-  support for QMP (quality measurement protocol), which I believe needs to 
also extend across the radio interface so is not simply local to the GTP domain 
and can be "stunt doubled"
[PC] Excellent point. Seems we missed this one in draft-murakami! We can add in 
there the QoS Monitoring Packet indicator, as well as the encoding for the 
timestamps and average DL/UL delays.

-  support for paging policy presence/indication
[PC] Same as previous. Many thanks.

[PC], By the way, I've posted an updated revision as the reference to 
draft-murakami was missing.

If this has come up elsewhere, let me know

Cheers
Dave


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Re: [DMM] [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Additional questions/comments on draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-13

2021-07-28 Thread Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) 
Hi Sridhar,

Inline with PC2.

Thanks!

From: Sridhar Bhaskaran 
Sent: miércoles, 28 de julio de 2021 15:34
To: Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) 
Cc: David Allan I ; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [DMM] Additional questions/comments on 
draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-13

Hi Pablo / Dave all,

See my additional comment inline marked [SB]

Regards
Sridhar

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:06 AM Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) 
mailto:40cisco@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
Hi Dave,

Many thanks for your comments. Inline with PC.

Cheers,
Pablo.

-Original Message-
From: dmm mailto:dmm-boun...@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of 
David Allan I
Sent: viernes, 23 de julio de 2021 19:51
To: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] Additional questions/comments on 
draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-13

Hi:

Looking over this draft it strikes me that IF you are discussing a GTP 
replacement, there are a few unaddressed gaps...or at least I see no mention of 
them.

-  adding X2 to the list of interfaces to be supported
[PC] Do you think there is any new mechanism to be added to the currently 
defined ones?
[SB] If we are including X2 then F1U also needs to be considered. Both X2 and 
F1U also have GTPU flow control mechanism defined in TS 38.425. I am not sure 
if a corresponding feedback mechanism exists in SRv6 for flow control.
[PC2] The user plane message encoding, or Flow control, is out of the scope of 
this draft; but covered in draft-murakami-dmm-user-plane-message-encoding.
Speaking as a co-author of draft-murakami: up to now we did not consider X2, 
but if the working group believes there is value then we could add it. Thanks.

-  support for end-marker for handoff stream synchronization (probably could 
fit the unused bit in Args.Mob.Session but frankly I have not studied this in 
detail)
[PC] User Plane Message encoding is out of the scope of this draft. However, 
draft-murakami-dmm-user-plane-message-encoding-03 proposes a mechanism to 
encode the Echo Request, Echo Reply, Error Indication, and End Marker.

-  support for QMP (quality measurement protocol), which I believe needs to 
also extend across the radio interface so is not simply local to the GTP domain 
and can be "stunt doubled"
[PC] Excellent point. Seems we missed this one in draft-murakami! We can add in 
there the QoS Monitoring Packet indicator, as well as the encoding for the 
timestamps and average DL/UL delays.

-  support for paging policy presence/indication
[PC] Same as previous. Many thanks.

[PC], By the way, I've posted an updated revision as the reference to 
draft-murakami was missing.

If this has come up elsewhere, let me know

Cheers
Dave


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Re: [DMM] Additional questions/comments on draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-13

2021-07-28 Thread Sridhar Bhaskaran 
Hi Pablo / Dave all,

See my additional comment inline marked [SB]

Regards
Sridhar

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:06 AM Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)  wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Many thanks for your comments. Inline with PC.
>
> Cheers,
> Pablo.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: dmm  On Behalf Of David Allan I
> Sent: viernes, 23 de julio de 2021 19:51
> To: dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] Additional questions/comments on
> draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-13
>
> Hi:
>
> Looking over this draft it strikes me that IF you are discussing a GTP
> replacement, there are a few unaddressed gaps...or at least I see no
> mention of them.
>
> -  adding X2 to the list of interfaces to be supported
> [PC] Do you think there is any new mechanism to be added to the currently
> defined ones?
>
> [SB] If we are including X2 then F1U also needs to be considered. Both X2
and F1U also have GTPU flow control mechanism defined in TS 38.425. I am
not sure if a corresponding feedback mechanism exists in SRv6 for flow
control.

-  support for end-marker for handoff stream synchronization (probably
> could fit the unused bit in Args.Mob.Session but frankly I have not studied
> this in detail)
> [PC] User Plane Message encoding is out of the scope of this draft.
> However, draft-murakami-dmm-user-plane-message-encoding-03 proposes a
> mechanism to encode the Echo Request, Echo Reply, Error Indication, and End
> Marker.
>
> -  support for QMP (quality measurement protocol), which I believe needs
> to also extend across the radio interface so is not simply local to the GTP
> domain and can be "stunt doubled"
> [PC] Excellent point. Seems we missed this one in draft-murakami! We can
> add in there the QoS Monitoring Packet indicator, as well as the encoding
> for the timestamps and average DL/UL delays.
>
> -  support for paging policy presence/indication
> [PC] Same as previous. Many thanks.
>
> [PC], By the way, I've posted an updated revision as the reference to
> draft-murakami was missing.
>
> If this has come up elsewhere, let me know
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
>
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