Re: [DNG] automount Was: Re: A better default windows manager
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 00:09:45 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Cheer up Svante. This isn't for your corporation's web servers, it's for the guy with a desktop, the system's only user, a guy who already has root but just doesn't want to do su all the time, who just wants automounting to happen. That guy would be me. I think that xfce4 with automounting enabled will cover most of us desktop/laptop users as a (suggested) default. xfce4 works with 2d or even VESA video and so can work on older machines. xfce4 can be made to look like Windows XP (panel at the bottom, notifications on the right and applications on a menu on the left) which almost all of my family, friends, neighbours and students are familiar with. That reduces the 'unfamiliarity' of e.g. a laptop handed round a meeting or an old desktop in a cafe for Web surfing. cheers -- keithpeter ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] automount Was: Re: A better default windows manager
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 09:29:09AM +0100, kpb wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 00:09:45 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Cheer up Svante. This isn't for your corporation's web servers, it's for the guy with a desktop, the system's only user, a guy who already has root but just doesn't want to do su all the time, who just wants automounting to happen. That guy would be me. I think that xfce4 with automounting enabled will cover most of us desktop/laptop users as a (suggested) default. xfce4 works with 2d or even VESA video and so can work on older machines. xfce4 can be made to look like Windows XP (panel at the bottom, notifications on the right and applications on a menu on the left) which almost all of my family, friends, neighbours and students are familiar with. That reduces the 'unfamiliarity' of e.g. a laptop handed round a meeting or an old desktop in a cafe for Web surfing. I genuinely don't understand the familiarity argument, at all. Any Windows XP user is able to get around with the OSX GUI in a few hours, and will probably master it in two days. And the OSX GUI is the farthest thing you can imagine from Windows XP Isn't it that we have been too much concerned about how dumb a dumb user can be? Or is it just that GNOME, KDE Co. ended up sucking really a lot in their psychotic quest to emulate other GUIs instead of proposing something genuinely new when they had the opportunity to do so? The last true revolution in GUIs was NeXTSTEP, 25 years ago. What came after was just a plethora of mix-and-match of existing things... YetAnotherRant KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] automount Was: Re: A better default windows manager
On Tue, 2015-07-28 at 00:09 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:10:29 +0200 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2015-07-26 at 23:17 -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: Mounting should be restricted to only the most experienced users, never embedded in the software so every user can across the board. The default setup on too many Linux machines reminds me of Windows. Too sad to see this on GNU/Linux :( Cheer up Svante. This isn't for your corporation's web servers, it's for the guy with a desktop, the system's only user, a guy who already has root but just doesn't want to do su all the time, who just wants automounting to happen. To clarify: The annoying issue with windows is that e.g. if you put in a CD in the reader, some application starts automatically depending on the CD contents. This behaviour as default is also annoying on GNU/Linux. There are a million different use cases, and on some of them automounting makes sense. Other times, running a command as a normal user makes more sense. Other times, only someone with root should be mounting. Even if automounting sometimes makes sense, it should be easy configurable! I have not found that on Windows OS versions, maybe I did not dig enough. However, on Devuan GNU/Linux that would be adding value to user experience. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 01:08:26PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 03:17:11PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: Of course I have to guess whether the device has been plugged in as /dev/sdb, or /dev/sde, or whatever. In case of (frequent) doubt, I switch to a root console with control-alt-F1 and a login, unplug the device, and plug it in again. It will the tell me after a while, that a new device has been inserted, and tell me what /dev/sd* name it has dynamically installed. I end up, as root, mounting the device with root as the owner. It's usually a USB stick with one of the ubiquitous Microsoft file systems used on USB sticks, and all the files can be read or writen by root only. There is a much easier way. Instead of switching consoles and guessing, just plug the device in, and look at the last screen full of the output from dmesg. Yes, that would have been easier. Also, if you're mounting on your own laptop, it will usually have one hd, /dev/sda. When you plug in a usb device, it will probably have /dev/sdb. If you unplug it, and plug in the same device, or plug in another stick, it will probably have /dev/sdb still. For whatever reason, there was a time when it kept picking new letters if I umounted the stick, took it ouot, and put another in. Maybe there was a bug somewhere then? But I could not rely on it always being /dev/sdb. So, you could just put a line in /etc/fstab which will allow a normal user to mount /dev/sdb1 for example to whatever directory you want. All you would have to do as a normal user is to type: mount /dev/sdb1 after plugging in the drive, and you should be able to find its' contents under whatever directory you specified in fstab. Truth is, I no longer trust it to be consistent. -- hendrik Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager
I know it's decided that XFCE will be the default, which is fine, and as a simply end user I'll be happy with a functional system. I do have a question though. I find JWM to be quite flexible, although I've still much to try and learn about configuring it. It seems to do about everything a person would want in a very small memory footprint. Does a WM like this have to pull done a lot of libraries that would be native(?) to XFCE to run the programs a typical user would want and does this increase a WMs footprint to that more like XFCE? My appologies for my popping into these conversations. You all, typically, are talking way over my head; but, I find this process fascinating and thanks for all your work. John ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan infrastructure mirror
Hi! I'm interested in mirroring the Devuan build infrastructure in case my galaxy is disconnected from universe. Could you please keep in mind this option while building the infrastructure now. To my understanding the project source code and documentation (some knowledge base also) should be replicapable and it is a great thing you keep it in one place in Gitlab. Other infrustructure components could be deployed and configured in an automated way with some DevOps magic. #Serge ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] automount Was: Re: A better default windows manager
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:38:08 +0200 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-07-28 at 00:09 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:10:29 +0200 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2015-07-26 at 23:17 -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: Mounting should be restricted to only the most experienced users, never embedded in the software so every user can across the board. The default setup on too many Linux machines reminds me of Windows. Too sad to see this on GNU/Linux :( Cheer up Svante. This isn't for your corporation's web servers, it's for the guy with a desktop, the system's only user, a guy who already has root but just doesn't want to do su all the time, who just wants automounting to happen. To clarify: The annoying issue with windows is that e.g. if you put in a CD in the reader, some application starts automatically depending on the CD contents. This behaviour as default is also annoying on GNU/Linux. I would never, ever, EVER enable automatic application start upon media/device insertion. My mama didn't raise no fool. I was only talking about mounting the thing to /mnt/whatever. That's all. There are a million different use cases, and on some of them automounting makes sense. Other times, running a command as a normal user makes more sense. Other times, only someone with root should be mounting. Even if automounting sometimes makes sense, it should be easy configurable! I have not found that on Windows OS versions, maybe I did not dig enough. However, on Devuan GNU/Linux that would be adding value to user experience. The thing I envision is configurable in that if you don't want it you don't install it :-). I spoze it wouldn't be too difficult to enable the user to define which /dev devices get automounted. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] automount Was: Re: A better default windows manager
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 09:51:08 +0100 KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote: xfce4 can be made to look like Windows XP (panel at the bottom, notifications on the right and applications on a menu on the left) which almost all of my family, friends, neighbours and students are familiar with. That reduces the 'unfamiliarity' of e.g. a laptop handed round a meeting or an old desktop in a cafe for Web surfing. I genuinely don't understand the familiarity argument, at all. I think I can explain it. Any Windows XP user is able to get around with the OSX GUI in a few hours, and will probably master it in two days. I've always had a lot of trouble operating Macs. And the OSX GUI is the farthest thing you can imagine from Windows XP I don't see it that way. IIRC OSX has a start menu, which is the major user interface entry point of Win95/XP. To me, things that are far from Windows XP are Windowmaker, Unity, Gnome3, and TWM. No start menu, and in the cases of Unity and Gnome3, no deterministic menu at all: The menu depends on past usage (you can't make this up, folks). Isn't it that we have been too much concerned about how dumb a dumb user can be? Of course we've been much to concerned about how dumb a dumb user can be. However, in the case of window managers, not so much. I hate Bill Gates. But I have to give him one thing: When he was designing Win95, he had a bunch of users sit down and work, and M$ people watched. For Win95, Bill Gates came up with a UI that was pure genius: A start menu button that said start, and then you get walked level by level through a menu. It's just plain obvious, and there are no downsides. I don't know why so many window managers, and Windows itself, walked away from that interface. You could take a newly arrived Martian, sit him down at a Win95 (or default LXDE) computer, and he'd just start working. Or is it just that GNOME, KDE Co. ended up sucking really a lot in their psychotic quest to emulate other GUIs instead of proposing something genuinely new when they had the opportunity to do so? AFAIK, KDE is still a Win95 type interface with a deterministic start menu. I banned all KDE libraries from my computers for a completely different reason. Gnome is a perfect example of your observation of sucking a really a lot in their psychotic quest to emulate other GUIs. When Win7 came out with that fuzzy we know what you want menu, Gnome switched from the Gnome2 deterministic start menu to the Gnome3 hey, relax, we know what you want, just go with the flow interface. The last true revolution in GUIs was NeXTSTEP, 25 years ago. What came after was just a plethora of mix-and-match of existing things... If Windowmaker at all resembles NeXTStep, I'm not a fan. After a decade of trying, Windowmaker is still unfathomable to me. Also, what's so great about new? I'd prefer good to new every day of the week, and personally, I've seen little positive or negative correllation between new and good. But I digress: We're talking about the *default* window manager. It should be something obvious, and Xfce configured with a start button and taskbar is obvious. From there, you can switch to a NeXTStep type thing, and I can switch to a modified Openbox plus dmenu. Neither of which I'd wish on an uninitiated user. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks
Eventually, and I kinda realized this, work may be needed to write a udisks replacement for vdev that can work off vdev without loosing functionality to udisks using applications and file managers, especially for non-Linux systems. Nothing fancy, but as long as it works and allows for some level of control for admins, I don't have a problem with it. Thoughts? From: Hendrik Boommailto:hend...@topoi.pooq.com Sent: 7/28/2015 7:45 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.orgmailto:dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 01:08:26PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 03:17:11PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: Of course I have to guess whether the device has been plugged in as /dev/sdb, or /dev/sde, or whatever. In case of (frequent) doubt, I switch to a root console with control-alt-F1 and a login, unplug the device, and plug it in again. It will the tell me after a while, that a new device has been inserted, and tell me what /dev/sd* name it has dynamically installed. I end up, as root, mounting the device with root as the owner. It's usually a USB stick with one of the ubiquitous Microsoft file systems used on USB sticks, and all the files can be read or writen by root only. There is a much easier way. Instead of switching consoles and guessing, just plug the device in, and look at the last screen full of the output from dmesg. Yes, that would have been easier. Also, if you're mounting on your own laptop, it will usually have one hd, /dev/sda. When you plug in a usb device, it will probably have /dev/sdb. If you unplug it, and plug in the same device, or plug in another stick, it will probably have /dev/sdb still. For whatever reason, there was a time when it kept picking new letters if I umounted the stick, took it ouot, and put another in. Maybe there was a bug somewhere then? But I could not rely on it always being /dev/sdb. So, you could just put a line in /etc/fstab which will allow a normal user to mount /dev/sdb1 for example to whatever directory you want. All you would have to do as a normal user is to type: mount /dev/sdb1 after plugging in the drive, and you should be able to find its' contents under whatever directory you specified in fstab. Truth is, I no longer trust it to be consistent. -- hendrik Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 20:09:06 -0700 James Powell james4...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Hendrik Boommailto:hend...@topoi.pooq.com Sent: 7/28/2015 7:45 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.orgmailto:dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 01:08:26PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 03:17:11PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: Of course I have to guess whether the device has been plugged in as /dev/sdb, or /dev/sde, or whatever. In case of (frequent) doubt, I switch to a root console with control-alt-F1 and a login, unplug the device, and plug it in again. It will the tell me after a while, that a new device has been inserted, and tell me what /dev/sd* name it has dynamically installed. I end up, as root, mounting the device with root as the owner. It's usually a USB stick with one of the ubiquitous Microsoft file systems used on USB sticks, and all the files can be read or writen by root only. There is a much easier way. Instead of switching consoles and guessing, just plug the device in, and look at the last screen full of the output from dmesg. Yes, that would have been easier. Also, if you're mounting on your own laptop, it will usually have one hd, /dev/sda. When you plug in a usb device, it will probably have /dev/sdb. If you unplug it, and plug in the same device, or plug in another stick, it will probably have /dev/sdb still. For whatever reason, there was a time when it kept picking new letters if I umounted the stick, took it ouot, and put another in. Maybe there was a bug somewhere then? But I could not rely on it always being /dev/sdb. So, you could just put a line in /etc/fstab which will allow a normal user to mount /dev/sdb1 for example to whatever directory you want. All you would have to do as a normal user is to type: mount /dev/sdb1 after plugging in the drive, and you should be able to find its' contents under whatever directory you specified in fstab. Truth is, I no longer trust it to be consistent. -- hendrik Greg JAMES POWELL SAID Eventually, and I kinda realized this, work may be needed to write a udisks replacement for vdev that can work off vdev without loosing functionality to udisks using applications and file managers, especially for non-Linux systems. Nothing fancy, but as long as it works and allows for some level of control for admins, I don't have a problem with it. Thoughts? JAMES POWELL SAID A glimpse at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udisks shows this udisks thing to be so thoroughly entangled with programs subsumed by systemd that it's just too much work. dbus, polkit, you have to enmesh it with how much stuff just to mount something. Just to inject some humor into it, see this section: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udisks#inotify Yeah, that's right: Arch is recommending that the actual plug-in detection be done with inotify, the isolated-from-systemd that I was going to use for my automounter if I got 20 people and Jude is using to replace part of udev. Meanwhile, as far as I can see, their entanglement with polkit does nothing more than my idea about sudo. Does anyone see any reason why polkit should be assumed more secure than sudo? And dbus? The only reason I can think of for dbus is so our good friends at Freedesktop.Org can have their desktop environment can phone in the request to unmount. About those phone-in requests via dbus: Is there any reason we can't have a program called Devuan Control Center that becomes the *real* place the user goes in order to tell the computer to unmount, reboot, poweroff, log out, etc. Seriously, why should mounting and unmounting, manually or automatically, have *anything* to do with a GUI? They're OS functions. I think rewriting udisks is a snipe hunt: we need to make a clean break, in my opinion. Otherwise we'll be forever chasing Lennart's latest great idea of the week. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:09 PM, James Powell james4...@hotmail.com wrote: Eventually, and I kinda realized this, work may be needed to write a udisks replacement for vdev that can work off vdev without loosing functionality to udisks using applications and file managers, especially for non-Linux systems. Nothing fancy, but as long as it works and allows for some level of control for admins, I don't have a problem with it. Thoughts? If all udisks2 needs from the device manager is libudev (or libgudev), then we should be good to go as-is. Libgudev should work unmodified with libudev-compat. However, replacing udisks[2] with a suite of simple setuid or setgid programs that implement the equivalent functionality might be a better long-term solution. It would be much easier to hook into a GUI, for example, and if done right, it would remove the need for polkit and dbus integration. -Jude -- From: Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com Sent: 7/28/2015 7:45 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 01:08:26PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 03:17:11PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: Of course I have to guess whether the device has been plugged in as /dev/sdb, or /dev/sde, or whatever. In case of (frequent) doubt, I switch to a root console with control-alt-F1 and a login, unplug the device, and plug it in again. It will the tell me after a while, that a new device has been inserted, and tell me what /dev/sd* name it has dynamically installed. I end up, as root, mounting the device with root as the owner. It's usually a USB stick with one of the ubiquitous Microsoft file systems used on USB sticks, and all the files can be read or writen by root only. There is a much easier way. Instead of switching consoles and guessing, just plug the device in, and look at the last screen full of the output from dmesg. Yes, that would have been easier. Also, if you're mounting on your own laptop, it will usually have one hd, /dev/sda. When you plug in a usb device, it will probably have /dev/sdb. If you unplug it, and plug in the same device, or plug in another stick, it will probably have /dev/sdb still. For whatever reason, there was a time when it kept picking new letters if I umounted the stick, took it ouot, and put another in. Maybe there was a bug somewhere then? But I could not rely on it always being /dev/sdb. So, you could just put a line in /etc/fstab which will allow a normal user to mount /dev/sdb1 for example to whatever directory you want. All you would have to do as a normal user is to type: mount /dev/sdb1 after plugging in the drive, and you should be able to find its' contents under whatever directory you specified in fstab. Truth is, I no longer trust it to be consistent. -- hendrik Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 09:29:09AM +0100, kpb wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 00:09:45 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Cheer up Svante. This isn't for your corporation's web servers, it's for the guy with a desktop, the system's only user, a guy who already has root but just doesn't want to do su all the time, who just wants automounting to happen. That guy would be me. I think that xfce4 with automounting enabled will cover most of us desktop/laptop users as a (suggested) default. xfce4 works with 2d or even VESA video and so can work on older machines. Over the years the state of mounting USB drives has steadily deteriorated on my Debian Jessie laptop. I have done regular upgrades, have dumped gnome3 and KDE4, have removed systemd, but mostly it has been the regular updates that seem to have made things worse. Perhaps the Debian developers have managed to wrangle systemd into a form that would have worked better recently, but if so I have no knowledge of it. I have my doubts. I now use xfce. Automounting has never been satisfactory, but the the ability to mount has gone from bad to worse, auto or not. Once, it would automount, but as the wrong user. I would have to become root and unmount it, then mount it as myself. Once, an icon for the device would appear on my screen that I could click to mount. Later, I wowld have to open the file manager to get the icon on which I could open a menu that allowed me to mount. But the system would think of a place to mount it and add it to /dev. Great if I wanted to go on using the file manager to manipulate it. Not so great of I had to guess the mount point. Later, I was told I did not have the privileges needed to do the mount, but it would let me mount it anyway if I entered the root password. Nowadays, it won't even let me enter the root password to identify myself as privileged. I can only mount by opening a terminal, becoming root, and typing in a mount command. Of course I have to guess whether the device has been plugged in as /dev/sdb, or /dev/sde, or whatever. In case of (frequent) doubt, I switch to a root console with control-alt-F1 and a login, unplug the device, and plug it in again. It will the tell me after a while, that a new device has been inserted, and tell me what /dev/sd* name it has dynamically installed. I end up, as root, mounting the device with root as the owner. It's usually a USB stick with one of the ubiquitous Microsoft file systems used on USB sticks, and all the files can be read or writen by root only. Now I also use the sshfs file system on my laptop, to access most of my files, which are kept on a server at home. I mount it as myself. Then the ssh file systtem won't allow anyone other than me to read or write it. In particular, I can't execute cp from the usb stick to my home server, either as myself or as root. I end up cp'ing it to my laptop as root, chown'ing it to be mine as root, and then copyying it to the server as myself. Woe be to me if the laptop doesn't have enough temporary disk space. Of course, I suppose I could establish a second sshfs connection as root, but I really think it's getting too complicated by now. Now I realize that there are circumstances where all this is necessary for security reasons. But when it's my laptop and a USB stick my friend (one of them who uses Windows, another uses Mac, by the way) hands to me, it is crazy that I can just stick the thing into almost anybody's machine in the coffee shop and they can read and write it, but not my Jessie laptop. Now I don't need automounting. But I do need to be able to read and write ordinary unencrypted USB sticks withoug haveing to become root and guess a device names, and then still have trouble. Please make this easier. My friends see me struggling with this and thank God they are not using Linux. Poor PR, if nothing else. I get asked why I use Linux if it gives me such trouble. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 03:17:11PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: Of course I have to guess whether the device has been plugged in as /dev/sdb, or /dev/sde, or whatever. In case of (frequent) doubt, I switch to a root console with control-alt-F1 and a login, unplug the device, and plug it in again. It will the tell me after a while, that a new device has been inserted, and tell me what /dev/sd* name it has dynamically installed. I end up, as root, mounting the device with root as the owner. It's usually a USB stick with one of the ubiquitous Microsoft file systems used on USB sticks, and all the files can be read or writen by root only. There is a much easier way. Instead of switching consoles and guessing, just plug the device in, and look at the last screen full of the output from dmesg. Also, if you're mounting on your own laptop, it will usually have one hd, /dev/sda. When you plug in a usb device, it will probably have /dev/sdb. If you unplug it, and plug in the same device, or plug in another stick, it will probably have /dev/sdb still. So, you could just put a line in /etc/fstab which will allow a normal user to mount /dev/sdb1 for example to whatever directory you want. All you would have to do as a normal user is to type: mount /dev/sdb1 after plugging in the drive, and you should be able to find its' contents under whatever directory you specified in fstab. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
