Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
Le 30/12/2015 22:06, fsmithred a écrit : On 12/29/2015 09:30 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: >I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know how >to ask for it. My system boots into a green login screen and when I log >in it starts me off with xfce instead. In the old days when I ran >Debian, it would start with a login screen where I could find a menu and >select a window manager. > >I'm arguing for discoverability here. > >-- hendrik That green login screen is Slim display manager. I'm not sure what changed, but it's now possible to install lightdm on Devuan Jessie without pulling in any systemd libs. I just did it a couple hours ago, and I'm pretty happy about it. Whoever did whatever to fix that, thank you. At the lightdm login screen, you can choose the session you want by clicking on the wrench icon in the upper right corner. I didn't even notice this icon :-) But hitting F1 will let you circulate amongst the installed sessions. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock
Very sad news, It would be nice to see at least beta dedicated On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 11:08 PM, Go Linux wrote: > On Wed, 12/30/15, Franco Lanza wrote: > > Subject: [DNG] Ian Murdock > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2015, 3:01 PM > > >> I think we should release a communicate about Ian >> to celebrate him and mourn he's death. >> >> R.I.P. Ian, you are the father of devuan too. >> -- >> >> Franco (nextime) Lanza > > > > Perhaps Devuan should consider dedicating the Beta to Ian? After all > Devuan it the true lineage of Debian IMO. > > golinux > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Take back your privacy. Switch to www.StartMail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock
On 12/31/2015 12:25 AM, Teodoro Santoni wrote: Debian, is a statement of love Debian = Deborah + Ian Yes..., this is a sad loss for everyone. Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock
On 12/31/2015 12:25 AM, Go Linux wrote: Perhaps Devuan should consider dedicating the Beta to Ian? They did so with debian lenny when Thiemo Seufer died. Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock
On 12/31/2015 12:25 AM, Franco Lanza wrote: I think we should release a communicate about Ian to celebrate him and mourn he's death. R.I.P. Ian, you are the father of devuan too. +1 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ummmm, no
+1 On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Check out the final sentence of this post to debian-user: > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/12/msg00923.html > > === > "The difference is that in the Open Source community nobody is trying > to get rich off of your lack of knowledge" > === > > I contend that Red Hat, who runs a consultancy and training, gets > richer as Linux users know less. If Linux were simple, they'd get > business only from the stupid. > > Correlationally, Red Hat pays the salary of the group of > people most responsible for the randomized duct taping of Linux > sometimes referred to as systemd. > > Still to be determined: In this case, is the correlation causational? > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques > of the Successful Technologist > http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock
On Wednesday, 30 de December de 2015 21:01:17 Franco Lanza escribió: > I think we should release a communicate about Ian > to celebrate him and mourn he's death. > > R.I.P. Ian, you are the father of devuan too. Do it. And some other kind of homage will be fine too. er Envite -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? OpenPGP key: 1586 50C8 7DBF B050 DE62 EA12 70B4 00F3 EEC7 C372 Spiral galaxies always have at least TWO arms. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Windowmaker: was Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:47:35 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > I've been trying to understand Windowmaker since 1999, and have > failed. That's why I didn't mention it in my list of great window > managers: I figured no Devuaners would be using it. > > And yet I have respected friends who like it. And aesthetically it's > very, very nice. And it's supposed to be modeled after NeXTstep, which > is *highly* respected by many people whom I respect. > > I've tried about 5 times, over 1.5 decades, to get Windowmaker > functional. By "functional", I mean a state at which I could be > productive. And failed all 5 times. > > If you ever create a presentation about Windowmaker, or make a > Windowmaker document, please get me in the loop. I'll tell you all the > rabbit holes I've fallen down, and to the extent possible, I'll tech > edit your presentation or document os John Q. Public can easily create > a productive Windowmaker interface. Well Steve, the answer is quite simple IMHO: WindowMaker wasn't made for you, you have different needs so you choose another windowmanager. I have never stumbled upon something that made me look for another windowmanager. Well, I have played with xfce (and I lost all the icons on the desktop twice) and I tried LXDE, but these wm's were missing some particular WindowMaker features and thus I switched back to WindowMaker. Don't forget: one gets used to a particular windowmanager. And every habit is fighting for its life ;-) But I just think that WindowMaker deserves to be present in a non-systemd distro. Not as a default wm, but as one of the options. R. -- ___ It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak aloud and remove all doubt. +--+ | Richard Lucassen, Utrecht| +--+ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock
Sad news. Looks to be legit. Okay, I'm ready for 2015 to be over. :-( - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:46:03 -0300 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:25:53 +0100 > aitor_czr wrote: > > > > I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish! > > > >IMHO, YMMV etc. > > > Do you really think so? I'm a hooligan of PCManFM :) > > Like you, Altor, I prefer PCManfm, and moreover think Thunar to be a > piece of excrement... > Cheers, > > Ron. Ron, Except for Thunar's hit and miss handling of media like thumb drives and CDs, do you have anything against it? SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock
2015-12-30 22:01 GMT+01:00, Franco Lanza : > R.I.P. Ian, you are the father of devuan too. Although renamed, Debian and Devuan carry his name. The very same name, Debian, is a statement of love, and not the Miniluv kind of love. He's been a prominent figure in opensource, having been also project leader for OpenIndiana. Whatever has happened to him, this is a sad loss for everyone. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock
On Wed, 12/30/15, Franco Lanza wrote: Subject: [DNG] Ian Murdock To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2015, 3:01 PM > > I think we should release a communicate about Ian > to celebrate him and mourn he's death. > > R.I.P. Ian, you are the father of devuan too. > -- > > Franco (nextime) Lanza Perhaps Devuan should consider dedicating the Beta to Ian? After all Devuan it the true lineage of Debian IMO. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:25:53 +0100 aitor_czr wrote: > > I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish! > > >IMHO, YMMV etc. > Do you really think so? I'm a hooligan of PCManFM :) Like you, Altor, I prefer PCManfm, and moreover think Thunar to be a piece of excrement... Cheers, Ron. -- There never was a good war or a bad peace. -- B. Franklin -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Ummmm, no
Hi all, Check out the final sentence of this post to debian-user: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/12/msg00923.html === "The difference is that in the Open Source community nobody is trying to get rich off of your lack of knowledge" === I contend that Red Hat, who runs a consultancy and training, gets richer as Linux users know less. If Linux were simple, they'd get business only from the stupid. Correlationally, Red Hat pays the salary of the group of people most responsible for the randomized duct taping of Linux sometimes referred to as systemd. Still to be determined: In this case, is the correlation causational? SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:30:44 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know how > to ask for it. My system boots into a green login screen and when I > log in it starts me off with xfce instead. > In the old days > discoverability Are you serious? You're not: /etc/slim.conf –> $login_cmd (and perhaps $sessiondir) BTW, xdm is definitively lighter and can be made a (sober) beauty as well. Just look at CrunchBang. Cheers, Florian ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
On 12/30/2015 09:09 PM, Mitt Green wrote: I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish! >IMHO, YMMV etc. Do you really think so? I'm a hooligan of PCManFM :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
On 12/29/2015 09:30 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know how > to ask for it. My system boots into a green login screen and when I log > in it starts me off with xfce instead. In the old days when I ran > Debian, it would start with a login screen where I could find a menu and > select a window manager. > > I'm arguing for discoverability here. > > -- hendrik That green login screen is Slim display manager. I'm not sure what changed, but it's now possible to install lightdm on Devuan Jessie without pulling in any systemd libs. I just did it a couple hours ago, and I'm pretty happy about it. Whoever did whatever to fix that, thank you. At the lightdm login screen, you can choose the session you want by clicking on the wrench icon in the upper right corner. -fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Ian Murdock
I think we should release a communicate about Ian to celebrate him and mourn he's death. R.I.P. Ian, you are the father of devuan too. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net paypal: https://paypal.me/nexlab NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock's Twitter hijacked?
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 21:04:27 +0100 lilo wrote: > Il 29/12/2015 21:08, Wim ha scritto: > > Hi List, > > > > I'm not sure this is really appropriate for this list, but here > > goes: > > > > Ian Murdock, one of Debian's founder is threatening via Twitter to > > commit suicide after being beaten by Police twice. See: > > > > https://twitter.com/imurdock > > account closed. > > http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ > > :/ Exactly what are you saying here? Is http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ a hoax? SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] newly developed packages
shraptor writes: > What about newly developed programs like > https://github.com/albfan/miraclecast > > They are developed from start to use systemd. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/miracle/libwfd/ You should generally expect everything which is developed by people associated with freedesktop.org to cross-depend on everything else also developed by people associated with freedesktop.org, IOW, if you want the lipstick, you'll have to take the pig wearing it as well. But that's hardly different from the situation as it already was all of the time: Most software targets platforms developed or underwritten by Microsoft. News at 11 ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock's Twitter hijacked?
Il 29/12/2015 21:08, Wim ha scritto: Hi List, I'm not sure this is really appropriate for this list, but here goes: Ian Murdock, one of Debian's founder is threatening via Twitter to commit suicide after being beaten by Police twice. See: https://twitter.com/imurdock account closed. http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ :/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] newly developed packages
What about newly developed programs like https://github.com/albfan/miraclecast They are developed from start to use systemd. Miraclecast uses systemd, sd-bus and kdbus(not really, only the independent and experimental sd-libraries) also DHCP but it will be removed once sd-dns gains DHCP-server capabilities. Seems like a lot of hacking to run without systemd? I'd really like to use that one. Do you think it can be cleaned? /scooby ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
>I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish! >IMHO, YMMV etc. SpaceFM doesn't use any of Xfce/LXDE dependencies, has an embedded automounter and tons of other features.___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
So try Thunar. By the way, if part of your objection to pcfmanager or whatever it's called is its inconsistent way of mounting thumb drives, that's exactly why I wrote Amounter. SteveT On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:22:36 + Dave Turner wrote: > I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish! > IMHO, YMMV etc. > DaveT > > On 30/12/15 06:09, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:30:44 -0500 > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > >> I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know > >> how to ask for it. My system boots into a green login screen and > >> when I log in it starts me off with xfce instead. In the old days > >> when I ran Debian, it would start with a login screen where I > >> could find a menu and select a window manager. > >> > >> I'm arguing for discoverability here. > > :-) > > > > I've gotten so used to knowing that you put "exec lxsession" in > > your .xinitrc (so startx starts LXDE, there's a different file for > > starting from a display manager), that I forgot that yes, people > > shouldn't need to rely on folklore handed from father to son to be > > able to run their computer. > > > > I think Devuan uses a display manager, and that display manager > > *should* have a hoverable icon of some kind that lets you pick your > > wm/de. Neckbeard that I am, I kinda wish you didn't have to hover > > everything on the screen to discover where you want to go next. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish! IMHO, YMMV etc. DaveT On 30/12/15 06:09, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:30:44 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know how to ask for it. My system boots into a green login screen and when I log in it starts me off with xfce instead. In the old days when I ran Debian, it would start with a login screen where I could find a menu and select a window manager. I'm arguing for discoverability here. :-) I've gotten so used to knowing that you put "exec lxsession" in your .xinitrc (so startx starts LXDE, there's a different file for starting from a display manager), that I forgot that yes, people shouldn't need to rely on folklore handed from father to son to be able to run their computer. I think Devuan uses a display manager, and that display manager *should* have a hoverable icon of some kind that lets you pick your wm/de. Neckbeard that I am, I kinda wish you didn't have to hover everything on the screen to discover where you want to go next. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Lumina . Was Re: Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
On 30/12/2015 17:16, Didier Kryn wrote: > ... > It seems, from the dependencies, as being built on top of lxde > libraries. May I suggest to visit: lumina-desktop.org It is much more illuminating as a 1000 words from me. Regards Fred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Lumina . Was Re: Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
On 30/12/2015 14:43, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 30/12/2015 00:38, Dragan FOSS a écrit : >> On 12/30/2015 12:03 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: >>> Out of the description it seems to come out of a Devuan dream, both for >>> what it provides and for what it doesn't. >> >> You can try, deb packages are there: >> http://mirror.org.rs/lumina/ >> > > Thanks for the link. I tried to install lumina and I must tell it > isn't light of dependencies. It requires almost all existing qt5 > packages including extras, many qt5-quick and qt5-phonon packages, plus > fluxbox, many lxde packages and dozens of others. Since I installed it > directly with dpkg, I had to install manually (in apt parlance) the > dependencies and at some point I gave up, in order to stop bloating my > system. > > Didier > Hi Didier, With a fairly minimal existing xfce install and using: apt-get --no-istall-recommends etc lumina-desktop --> additional 102 MB apt-get etc lumina-desktop --> additional 152 MB Compared with some other DE's I think this is not too bad. It is still under heavy development and is unfortunately not yet ready for prime time, but it is on my watchlist. I must admit, I did like what I saw. Fred Tip: I am on Ascii: I used the usbmount-package from sid. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Lumina . Was Re: Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
Le 30/12/2015 00:38, Dragan FOSS a écrit : On 12/30/2015 12:03 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Out of the description it seems to come out of a Devuan dream, both for what it provides and for what it doesn't. You can try, deb packages are there: http://mirror.org.rs/lumina/ Thanks for the link. I tried to install lumina and I must tell it isn't light of dependencies. It requires almost all existing qt5 packages including extras, many qt5-quick and qt5-phonon packages, plus fluxbox, many lxde packages and dozens of others. Since I installed it directly with dpkg, I had to install manually (in apt parlance) the dependencies and at some point I gave up, in order to stop bloating my system. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock's Twitter hijacked?
Hum, ..have I seen this before?: http://dilbert.com/strip/2012-09-27 ..todays translation: http://heltnormalt.no/dilbert/2015/12/29 ..key to improved relevance: https://translate.google.com/ ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
