Re: [DNG] Devuan Rpi2 Lxde
On Sun, Mar 06, 2016 at 10:53:51AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2016 06 Mar 02:51 -0600, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I just uploaded an image of Devuan for Raspberry Pi 2 with LXDE. > > My guess is this will not run on the original Pi model B? > > - Nate > It probably won't, since rpi2 is armhf, while rpi1 and rpi0 are midway between armel and armhf. I have been running a few test with a custom toolchain to make a bootable image for rpi0/1. The base system works (single-user with bash and busybox, now I might play a bit around to have coreutils instead), even if there are a few tweaks to implement. The problem is that this would be an almost completely independent port, for which we might not have enough energy though. It would be good to have a pivuan for armv6 + FP2 for rpi0, but it is true that with the new rpi3 it would be far better and easier to invest time in a pivuan for armhf, which is what aitor is rightfully doing. The packages are already there, and there is no need to support another port... HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Strange NIC reconfiguration after Suspend in Devuan+XFCE
On 07/03/16 16:22, David Kuehling wrote: > Hi, > > just noticed that in Devuan after doing "Suspend" from the XFCE menu > bar, my primary network interface is reconfigured with a new IP-Address > retrieved via DHCP. DHCP server logs confirm that. > > However, I have *not* configured any interface to use DHCP! All my > interfaces use "static" primitives in /etc/network/interfaces, and > running '/etc/init.d/networking restart' actually reverts interface > settings to my static IP address. Any idea what is happening here? The > system is not running networkmanager, and I'm a little clueless which > kind of scripts may be interfering during suspend&resume. > something else is running dhclient or similar then... Do you have wicd installed? -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. 021 797 722 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Strange NIC reconfiguration after Suspend in Devuan+XFCE
Hi, just noticed that in Devuan after doing "Suspend" from the XFCE menu bar, my primary network interface is reconfigured with a new IP-Address retrieved via DHCP. DHCP server logs confirm that. However, I have *not* configured any interface to use DHCP! All my interfaces use "static" primitives in /etc/network/interfaces, and running '/etc/init.d/networking restart' actually reverts interface settings to my static IP address. Any idea what is happening here? The system is not running networkmanager, and I'm a little clueless which kind of scripts may be interfering during suspend&resume. thanks for any hints, cheers, David -- GnuPG public key: http://dvdkhlng.users.sourceforge.net/dk2.gpg Fingerprint: B63B 6AF2 4EEB F033 46F7 7F1D 935E 6F08 E457 205F ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] initscripts-2.88dsf-59.3+devuan2
Original Message Subject: Re: [DNG] initscripts-2.88dsf-59.3+devuan2 Local Time: March 6, 2016 9:09 PM UTC Time: March 6, 2016 9:09 PM From: dan...@centurion.net.nz To: dng@lists.dyne.org On 07/03/16 06:39, Rob wrote: > 1:)Saturday (5th mar) dist-upgrade, which included an update to openrc, > failed with a post install error: update-rc.d not found. Trying to > uninstall another package got the following error: > /var/lib/dpkg/info/liquidsoap.prerm: invoke-rc.d: not found Yeah - apologies debian had moved those scripts between sysvinit and init-system-helpers packages, and I'd updated sysvinit but not init-system-helpers. The fix is in and should hit the repo's in a couple of hours. If your desperate to have it now you need to add deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan main to your /etc/apt/sources.lisg > > 2)Setting up a new devuan installation on a spare disk, debootstrap > ceres failed on configuration with update-rc.d not found (problem > package initscripts?). > Same issue as above. -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. 021 797 722 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Thanks Rob___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Claywand dosplay bananager
Hendrik Boom writes: > On Sun, Mar 06, 2016 at 08:33:46PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> Teodoro Santoni writes: >> > 2016-03-06 18:23 GMT+01:00, Steve Litt : >> >> What did they replace X11 forwarding with? (I shudder to ask) >> > >> > Nothing afaik. >> > Some people are enabling VNC for wayland compositors though. >> > They are very akin technologies. >> >> Not at all, actually. VNC based on keeping two bitmapped displays in >> sync by sending by sending 'bitmap updates' from the remote machine to >> 'the local display'. Even in a LAN environment (disclaimer: Haven't used >> it since 2004) this is a clunky mechanism which sucks badly. > > Is that what I get with ssh -X? I've noticed it's sometimes quite klunky. > The doc says something about setting up a dummy X server that relays > everything to the real X server. ssh -X is basically 'straight X' but with the protocol traffic transparently forwarded over the SSH connection and some convenience features like "setting up a suitable DISPLAY" and "handling MIT magic cookie authentication". For this to work well (for applications where there's any hope that it could work well), the remote system needs to have good upstream bandwidth to "the internet" which will usually not be the case if ADSL is being used. Running dxpc over a ssh-tunneled TCP connection worked satisfactorily for me for this case. > As for the straight X protocol? Soe years ago it seems to have become > so paranoid I can't get it to talk to a server that isn't on the same > machine as the client. "Nowadays", X servers don't usually listen on TCP ports by default anymore but this can be enabled. But I consider 'ssh -X' or 'ssh + dxpc' a better solution as both support transparent compression which is very helpful with 'remote X'. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Claywand dosplay bananager
On Sun, Mar 06, 2016 at 08:33:46PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Teodoro Santoni writes: > > 2016-03-06 18:23 GMT+01:00, Steve Litt : > >> What did they replace X11 forwarding with? (I shudder to ask) > > > > Nothing afaik. > > Some people are enabling VNC for wayland compositors though. > > They are very akin technologies. > > Not at all, actually. VNC based on keeping two bitmapped displays in > sync by sending by sending 'bitmap updates' from the remote machine to > 'the local display'. Even in a LAN environment (disclaimer: Haven't used > it since 2004) this is a clunky mechanism which sucks badly. Is that what I get with ssh -X? I've noticed it's sometimes quite klunky. The doc says something about setting up a dummy X server that relays everything to the real X server. As for the straight X protocol? Soe years ago it seems to have become so paranoid I can't get it to talk to a server that isn't on the same machine as the client. And I've found the odd piece of software here and there that won't talk over ssh -X. > OTOH, X > uses a higher-level protocol where clients send "drawing commands" to an > X server which executes them on their behalf. It's just that this is one > of these "obsolete technologies" (2D graphics? Nobody uses that!) > so-called 'modern desktop applications' don't use: These do all their > rendering on the client (at least reportedly) and then send bitmaps to > the X server. As this still sucks badly, "network transparency" is > essentially useless for wayland as "like VNC" is the best it will ever > become. > > OTOH, I'm almost exclusively using applications which do use the > "obsolete 2D graphic features" (fvwm, 'lucid emacs', xterm) and this > means I can (and actually did for a long time) do stuff like "work from > home at the end of an ADSL link, using my local computer as better 'X > terminal' to run graphic applications on another computer located in an > office 30 miles away from me". That might even work if I could manage to clear the privilege barriers on my own machines. And remember the days when the window manager could run on yet another machine? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] initscripts-2.88dsf-59.3+devuan2
On 07/03/16 06:39, Rob wrote: > 1:)Saturday (5th mar) dist-upgrade, which included an update to openrc, > failed with a post install error: update-rc.d not found. Trying to > uninstall another package got the following error: > /var/lib/dpkg/info/liquidsoap.prerm: invoke-rc.d: not found Yeah - apologies debian had moved those scripts between sysvinit and init-system-helpers packages, and I'd updated sysvinit but not init-system-helpers. The fix is in and should hit the repo's in a couple of hours. If your desperate to have it now you need to add deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan main to your /etc/apt/sources.lisg > > 2)Setting up a new devuan installation on a spare disk, debootstrap > ceres failed on configuration with update-rc.d not found (problem > package initscripts?). > Same issue as above. -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. 021 797 722 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Claywand dosplay bananager
Mitt Green writes: > This question is long-standing, but I forget to > ask it. What's wrong with Wayland? For instance, it (reportedly) doesn't have any support for IPC. This means it can't support "window manager/ desktop environment tranparent" copy&paste anymore. That's instead supposed to be provided by "the desktop environment" and people who don't run a desktop environment, well, why would we care about these stupid, change-resistent geezers? I've been using fvwm for about 20 years now (and with a basically unchanged configuration since 1998) and I'd like to keep this environment as it works very nicely *for me*. I don't care if the legendary, hypothetical, less-than-bright grandma could use it, too, I don't expect her to. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Claywand dosplay bananager
Teodoro Santoni writes: > 2016-03-06 18:23 GMT+01:00, Steve Litt : >> What did they replace X11 forwarding with? (I shudder to ask) > > Nothing afaik. > Some people are enabling VNC for wayland compositors though. > They are very akin technologies. Not at all, actually. VNC based on keeping two bitmapped displays in sync by sending by sending 'bitmap updates' from the remote machine to 'the local display'. Even in a LAN environment (disclaimer: Haven't used it since 2004) this is a clunky mechanism which sucks badly. OTOH, X uses a higher-level protocol where clients send "drawing commands" to an X server which executes them on their behalf. It's just that this is one of these "obsolete technologies" (2D graphics? Nobody uses that!) so-called 'modern desktop applications' don't use: These do all their rendering on the client (at least reportedly) and then send bitmaps to the X server. As this still sucks badly, "network transparency" is essentially useless for wayland as "like VNC" is the best it will ever become. OTOH, I'm almost exclusively using applications which do use the "obsolete 2D graphic features" (fvwm, 'lucid emacs', xterm) and this means I can (and actually did for a long time) do stuff like "work from home at the end of an ADSL link, using my local computer as better 'X terminal' to run graphic applications on another computer located in an office 30 miles away from me". ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] initscripts-2.88dsf-59.3+devuan2
1:)Saturday (5th mar) dist-upgrade, which included an update to openrc, failed with a post install error: update-rc.d not found. Trying to uninstall another package got the following error: /var/lib/dpkg/info/liquidsoap.prerm: invoke-rc.d: not found 2)Setting up a new devuan installation on a spare disk, debootstrap ceres failed on configuration with update-rc.d not found (problem package initscripts?). debootstrap jessie installed ok. Rob Sent from [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.ch), encrypted email based in Switzerland.___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Claywand dosplay bananager
2016-03-06 18:23 GMT+01:00, Steve Litt : > What did they replace X11 forwarding with? (I shudder to ask) Nothing afaik. Some people are enabling VNC for wayland compositors though. They are very akin technologies. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Claywand dosplay bananager
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 15:13:36 +0100 Stephan Seitz wrote: > On Sun, Mar 06, 2016 at 04:57:16PM +0300, Mitt Green wrote: > >ask it. What's wrong with Wayland? I never used > > As far as I know Wayland doesn’t support TCP connections anymore, so > you don’t have X11 forwarding anymore. If that's true, what a steaming pile of dog excrement! What did they replace X11 forwarding with? (I shudder to ask) SteveT Steve Litt March 2016 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Claywand dosplay bananager
On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 16:57:16 +0300 Mitt Green wrote: > This question is long-standing, but I forget to > ask it. What's wrong with Wayland? I never used > it, except for a couple of broken Fedora Live > sessions, when everything freezes. > > Mitt From what I understand, Wayland is shot through with systemd-isms. Better let that sleeping dog lie. SteveT Steve Litt March 2016 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Rpi2 Lxde
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 12:06:42 +0100 "Ivan J." wrote: > Another thing is, you might need polkit/consolekit to run it > unprivileged. I think polkit and consolekit are the kind of thing we're trying to stay away from. Why not just make a group and put the group in sudoers? SteveT Steve Litt March 2016 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Rpi2 Lxde
* On 2016 06 Mar 02:51 -0600, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi all, > > I just uploaded an image of Devuan for Raspberry Pi 2 with LXDE. My guess is this will not run on the original Pi model B? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Claywand dosplay bananager
On Sun, Mar 06, 2016 at 04:57:16PM +0300, Mitt Green wrote: ask it. What's wrong with Wayland? I never used As far as I know Wayland doesn’t support TCP connections anymore, so you don’t have X11 forwarding anymore. So for me Wayland is useless. Shade and sweet water! Stephan -- | Stephan Seitz E-Mail: s...@fsing.rootsland.net | | Public Keys: http://fsing.rootsland.net/~stse/keys.html | smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Claywand dosplay bananager
This question is long-standing, but I forget to ask it. What's wrong with Wayland? I never used it, except for a couple of broken Fedora Live sessions, when everything freezes. Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Rpi2 Lxde
Thanks Ivan, On 06/03/16 12:00, "Ivan J." wrote: To address that issue, you might try # echo "needs_root_rights = yes" > /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config Another thing is, you might need polkit/consolekit to run it unprivileged. -- I think it was a problem of free space in the disk. Maybe i resized the rootfs, but i did not save the changes. If there is not space in the disk, you won't be able to start Xsessions. I tested it again, and it works. So..., sharing it again :) You will need to change the date. The format is: date 03061350 This is: mounth=03, day=06, hour=13, minuts=50 This is my first image for raspberry. So, *use it at your own risk* Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Rpi2 Lxde
aitor_czr writes: > Mmmm... There is a bug. I can't start Xsession as "pi", only as > "root". So, i remove the image. I will rectify this issue along the > day. That's not a fug. It's a beature. It makes the system oh-so-much-more-secure against undesirable invididuals using graphics hardware the claywand dosplay bananager will never support. This already featured here a couple of times: For no particular reason, X is no longer setuid-0 in "current Debian", hence, starting it as unprivileged user without 'suitable middleware' won't work. There's reportedly a wrapper package available restoring this feature. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Rpi2 Lxde
To address that issue, you might try # echo "needs_root_rights = yes" > /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config Another thing is, you might need polkit/consolekit to run it unprivileged. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Rpi2 Lxde
Mmmm... There is a bug. I can't start Xsession as "pi", only as "root". So, i remove the image. I will rectify this issue along the day. Sorry. Aitor. On 06/03/16 10:42, aitor_czr wrote: Hi again, On 06/03/16 08:49, aitor_czr wrote: Hi all, I just uploaded an image of Devuan for Raspberry Pi 2 with LXDE. Download zone: http://gnuinos.org/raspberry/ User: "pi" Password: "raspberry" The password for root is also "raspberry". Cheers, Aitor. You must type the following: cat unofficial-devuan-rpi2_armhf.img.gz | gzip -dc | dd of=/dev/sdX where sdX is your SD card. This will create two partitions in the SD card. The first one is the bootloader, in FAT16. The second one is the rootfs, in ext4. *You have to expand this partition with gparted* Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Rpi2 Lxde
Hi again, On 06/03/16 08:49, aitor_czr wrote: Hi all, I just uploaded an image of Devuan for Raspberry Pi 2 with LXDE. Download zone: http://gnuinos.org/raspberry/ User: "pi" Password: "raspberry" The password for root is also "raspberry". Cheers, Aitor. You must type the following: cat unofficial-devuan-rpi2_armhf.img.gz | gzip -dc | dd of=/dev/sdX where sdX is your SD card. This will create two partitions in the SD card. The first one is the bootloader, in FAT16. The second one is the rootfs, in ext4. *You have to expand this partition with gparted* Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan Rpi2 Lxde
Hi all, I just uploaded an image of Devuan for Raspberry Pi 2 with LXDE. Download zone: http://gnuinos.org/raspberry/ User: "pi" Password: "raspberry" The password for root is also "raspberry". Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
