[DNG] Cosmetic quibble about aptitude

[Hendrik Boom]

I opened aptitude in interactive mode, ad the cursor fell on the category
'New Packages (41265)

The nexplanateion panel underneath tole me that 

These packages have been added to Debian since the last time you cleared the 
list of "new"
packages (choose "forget new packages" from the Actinos menu to empty this 
list).

Should it have said "Devuan" instead of "Debian"?

Technically, I suppose most of these new packages that have appeared in 
Devuan have probably arrived in Debian first.

But if we happen to be working on mentioning Devuan everywhere instead 
of Debian, this might be a place to make a change.

Still, it's probably not worth making our own version of aptitude for 
this detail unless we're making our own version anyway.

-- hendrik

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Re: [DNG] My virtual terminals seem amiss

[Rainer Weikusat]

Florian Zieboll  writes:
> Rainer Weikusat  wrote:
>
>
>> JFTR: The point of the [] in
>> 
>> ps faux | grep get[t]y
>> 
>> was that it eliminates the grep itself from the output.
>
>
> Would you please elaborate on this magic?! I found a great RegEx
> reference (1) by the way, but no answer, I'm stunned.

[t]

is a character class matching all characters which are t. Hence, the
regex matches getty but not get[t]y.
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Re: [DNG] My virtual terminals seem amiss

[dev]

On 03/07/2016 06:46 PM, fsmithred wrote:

Have you tried adding 'nomodeset' to the boot command? Which nvidia card
are you using?


This seems to have fixed it. Oddly enough, another devuan box I have 
does not need this boot param. hrm...  I took it one step further and 
rebooted with "vga=791" to make the text console a bit more "roomy".


Thanks for all the help everyone!



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Re: [DNG] My virtual terminals seem amiss

[Rainer Weikusat]

Didier Kryn  writes:
> Le 08/03/2016 17:32, dev a écrit :
>>
>> $ ls -l /dev/tty[1-6]
>> crw--w 1 root tty 4, 1 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty1
>> crw--w 1 root tty 4, 2 Mar  8 10:09 /dev/tty2
>> crw--w 1 root tty 4, 3 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty3
>> crw--w 1 root tty 4, 4 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty4
>> crw--w 1 root tty 4, 5 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty5
>> crw--w 1 root tty 4, 6 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty6 
>
> A device write-only for group looks strange.

Not really. That's what you get when running mesg y in a used tty so
that other people cane use write(1) to send message to you but not read
from your terminal.
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Re: [DNG] My virtual terminals seem amiss

[Florian Zieboll]

On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 16:45:59 +
Rainer Weikusat  wrote:


> JFTR: The point of the [] in
> 
> ps faux | grep get[t]y
> 
> was that it eliminates the grep itself from the output.


Would you please elaborate on this magic?! I found a great RegEx
reference (1) by the way, but no answer, I'm stunned.

Florian


(1) http://www.zytrax.com/tech/web/regex.htm
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Re: [DNG] My virtual terminals seem amiss

[Didier Kryn]

Le 08/03/2016 17:32, dev a écrit :


$ ls -l /dev/tty[1-6]
crw--w 1 root tty 4, 1 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty1
crw--w 1 root tty 4, 2 Mar  8 10:09 /dev/tty2
crw--w 1 root tty 4, 3 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty3
crw--w 1 root tty 4, 4 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty4
crw--w 1 root tty 4, 5 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty5
crw--w 1 root tty 4, 6 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty6 


A device write-only for group looks strange. On my old 
debian-wheezy I get


crw--- 1 root root 4, 0 mars   8 17:56 /dev/tty0
crw-rw 1 root tty  4, 1 mars   8 17:56 /dev/tty1
crw-rw 1 root tty  4, 2 mars   8 17:56 /dev/tty2
crw-rw 1 root tty  4, 3 mars   8 17:56 /dev/tty3
crw-rw 1 root tty  4, 4 mars   8 17:56 /dev/tty4
crw-rw 1 root tty  4, 5 mars   8 17:56 /dev/tty5
crw-rw 1 root tty  4, 6 mars   8 17:56 /dev/tty6
crw--- 1 root root 4, 7 mars   8 17:56 /dev/tty7
crw--- 1 root root 4, 8 mars   8 17:56 /dev/tty8
crw--- 1 root root 4, 9 mars   8 17:56 /dev/tty9

Didier

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Re: [DNG] Is Devuan Jessie secure enough?

[Florian Zieboll]

On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 22:24:56 -0500
Hendrik Boom  wrote:


> Anyone know how to tell roxterm not to use chrome as its default 
> browser?  I've told xfce, and it's now calling firefox, but roxterm 
> still thinks that when I mouse onto a URL and click "open in browser" 
> that I soud use chrome.

Just a shot in the dark, as I never used roxterm: Did you
update-alternatives?

Florian

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Re: [DNG] My virtual terminals seem amiss

[Rainer Weikusat]

dev  writes:

> On 03/07/2016 11:28 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> :: Step 1 is this:
> ::
> :: ps ax | grep getty
>
>
> Thanks Steve. Mine is:
>
> $ ps ax | grep getty
>  2575 tty1 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
>  2576 tty2 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
>  2577 tty3 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
>  2578 tty4 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
>  2579 tty5 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
>  2580 tty6 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
>  6301 pts/7S+ 0:00 grep getty

JFTR: The point of the [] in

ps faux | grep get[t]y

was that it eliminates the grep itself from the output.

You could try killing one of them and then switching to the VT. init
should restart it which may cause it to become alive again. Pressing
enter a couple of times might also help as the first should cause the
getty to hand control over to login and the second should cause a login
failure followed by getty being restarted.
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Re: [DNG] My virtual terminals seem amiss

[dev]

On 03/07/2016 11:28 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
:: Step 1 is this:
::
:: ps ax | grep getty


Thanks Steve. Mine is:

$ ps ax | grep getty
 2575 tty1 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
 2576 tty2 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
 2577 tty3 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
 2578 tty4 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
 2579 tty5 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
 2580 tty6 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
 6301 pts/7S+ 0:00 grep getty



RE: anon.ud...@subscribed.udmvt.ru
Here is my tty listing:

$ ls -l /dev/tty[1-6]
crw--w 1 root tty 4, 1 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty1
crw--w 1 root tty 4, 2 Mar  8 10:09 /dev/tty2
crw--w 1 root tty 4, 3 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty3
crw--w 1 root tty 4, 4 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty4
crw--w 1 root tty 4, 5 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty5
crw--w 1 root tty 4, 6 Mar  8 08:08 /dev/tty6


:: Do you also have at least one /sbin/getty implementation installed?
Yes, it appears to be a symlink however. maybe does not matter:

$ dir /sbin/getty
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 May 25  2015 /sbin/getty -> agetty

$ dir /sbin/agetty
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 39792 May 25  2015 /sbin/agetty


:: Make sure /sbin/getty is runnable by root, test how it runs:
This appears to function correctly also.
# /sbin/getty 38400 tty8
^Z
[1]+  Stopped /sbin/getty 38400 tty8

# bg
[1]+ /sbin/getty 38400 tty8 &

# ps -ef | grep getty
root  2575 1  0 08:08 tty1 00:00:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
...
root  7064  6909  0 10:16 pts/700:00:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty8


:: And also do cat /dev/vcs7 | less
It's there :)
# fgrep login /dev/vcs8
 login:

::  be sure you are in the runlevel 2 or 3
looks good.
# runlevel
N 2

:: vbetool vbemode set 3
I ran this in xfce4-terminal from the desktop. It blinked out the video 
signal then returned to the desktop. I'm assuming this should be run 
from rc.local or something similar when in a true textmode environment?




RE: hendrik "...terminals...don't come back until a reboot.":
Have rebooted, still no luck :/


RE: Rainer Wikusat:
:: You aren't per chance running a display manager on tty1..
I don't know how to tell. When I reboot, Slim comes up on the screen and 
I login.


tty output (from xfce4-terminal):
$ tty
/dev/pts/10

who output:
$ who
devuanuser  tty5 Mar  8 10:21
devuanuser  pts/0Mar  8 08:10 (:0.0)
devuanuser  pts/1Mar  8 08:10 (:0.0)
devuanuser  pts/3Mar  8 08:13 (:0.0)
devuanuser  pts/4Mar  8 08:57 (:0.0)
devuanuser  pts/5Mar  8 09:05 (:0.0)
devuanuser  pts/6Mar  8 09:08 (:0.0)
devuanuser  pts/7Mar  8 10:08 (:0.0)
devuanuser  pts/8Mar  8 10:15 (:0.0)
devuanuser  pts/9Mar  8 10:30 (:0.0)
devuanuser  pts/10   Mar  8 10:30 (:0.0)



Here is the ps output you mention:
# ps faux | grep get[t]
root  2575  0.0  0.0  14416  1940 tty1 Ss+  08:08   0:00 
/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
root  2576  0.0  0.0  14416  2056 tty2 Ss+  08:08   0:00 
/sbin/getty 38400 tty2
root  2577  0.0  0.0  14416  1996 tty3 Ss+  08:08   0:00 
/sbin/getty 38400 tty3
root  2578  0.0  0.0  14416  1928 tty4 Ss+  08:08   0:00 
/sbin/getty 38400 tty4
root  2580  0.0  0.0  14416  1944 tty6 Ss+  08:08   0:00 
/sbin/getty 38400 tty6



RE: fsmithred
:: Have you tried adding 'nomodeset' to the boot command?
Hrm.. not yet, I will try later this morning.

:: Which nvidia card are you using?
$ lspci  | grep NV
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 
750 Ti] (rev a2)

01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation Device 0fbc (rev a1)
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[DNG] Categorical Confusion (was: systemd==bad)

[Rainer Weikusat]

Steve Litt  writes:

[...]

> Why this is important is that, to the extent this is perceived as an
> age thing (with the must-have pejorative "neckbeard" or "graybeard"),
> you give PoetterPoser more credibility when he characterizes systemd
> resistance as "you can't teach an old dog new tricks."

As far as I can tell, I'm probably somewhat older than Lennart
Poettering. Does this now mean I'm old? OTOH, I'm somewhat younger than
Linus Torvalds, so, am I now young? As additional complication, I
probably encountered Linux at roughly the same age Poettering did, yet,
to me, it was first and foremost an opportunity to learn about an
interesting new way of solving certain old problems, while he based
his career on replacing things done in a way he'd never do them himself
by things done by him. So, am I now the old poodle incapable of learning
a new trick or is he the new poodle nobody can teach any old tricks?

Or are 'old' and 'young' (or 'new') just ill-defined categories with no
inherent bearing on the issue under discussion (but very useful for
divide-et-impera)?.

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Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

[anon . udmvt]

On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:21:00PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 17:16:32 +0400
> anon.ud...@subscribed.udmvt.ru wrote:
> 
> I'd think twice before phrasing this as an age issue (the way
> PoetterPoser does). I've seen photos of (vdev creator) Jude Nelson,
> and he doesn't look like he's ready for a cane and suspenders.
Sorry...
> 
> Also, I think it depends more on experience than age. I'd imagine a
> person, who had been in San Francisco during the Summer of Love, who
> just came to Linux in 2015, wouldn't care about his init. I'd also
> imagine a 21 year old just graduating college, who has been using Linux
> since 2004, would dumpster all systemd distros.
That's exactly not an age issue, but of experience of course.
Thanks for understanding me and rephrasing it all correctly.
> 
> Why this is important is that, to the extent this is perceived as an
> age thing (with the must-have pejorative "neckbeard" or "graybeard"),
> you give PoetterPoser more credibility when he characterizes systemd
> resistance as "you can't teach an old dog new tricks."
+1
> 
> SteveT
Sorry, for me it was obvious, that an age in that context have the only 
explanation
of experience. The other explanation is a surprise for me. What a frustrating 
surprise.
Some people really have demonstrated an "alternative thinking", potter-thinking 
maybe.
I'll try to keep myself as exact as it is possible for a russian-thinking 
person :)).

Best wishes.

-- 
Anon.Udmvt
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