Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

[Trond Arild Ydersbond]

19. april 2016 15.45  Jaromil :


>thanks to Hellekin and Golinux.
>I agree they have done an outstanding job!

>the aim is really at consolidating short and sharp documentation.

>one thing Debian really suffers from: the dispersion of its docs.
>This is understandable since it is sedimented from years of
>activity.

>By starting from scratch with Devuan's documentation I think we can
>really make the life easier to newcomers and professionals using
>Devuan.


I agree. And IMHO, it is not only the docs, but the whole approach to 
information handling where we need to improve on Debian.  How do we cater for 
tens of thousands or more users, spread over the whole spectrum of computing 
needs and with widely differing skills? We have to prepare for becoming hugely 
successful :-) 


Trond
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Re: [DNG] asteroids and release names.

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 05:58:38PM +, hellekin wrote:
> On 04/19/2016 12:36 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > Ascii will be the name of version 1, won't it?
> >
> 
> 1.0 is Jessie (upcoming beta...)
> 2.0 is ASCII
> 3.0 is B...
> 4.0 is C...

What!?  Only 26 releases?

> ...
> sid is CERES
> 
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Re: [DNG] asteroids and release names.

[hellekin]

On 04/19/2016 12:36 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Ascii will be the name of version 1, won't it?
>

1.0 is Jessie (upcoming beta...)
2.0 is ASCII
3.0 is B...
4.0 is C...
...
sid is CERES

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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[Didier Kryn]

Le 19/04/2016 15:41, BohwaZ a écrit :

For Skype you can use apulse (like this: $ apulse skype) which wraps
calls to PulseAudio directly to Alsa without requiring any PA
component. It works well.


Sure I will try this! Not only Skype requires pulse, but it wants 
the 32-bit version of it. If apluse can run 64-bit, it will remove a lot 
of mess. Thanks.


Didier

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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[hellekin]

On 04/19/2016 01:38 PM, Go Linux wrote:
> 
>> More to the point, what is being used s a bug tracker now?  Something
>> on github, maybe?
>> 
>> -- hendrik
>
> To report a bug, open an issue under the appropriate project in
> Devuan's gitlab (not github) at https://git.devuan.org/.  You will
> need to register to do so.
>
> golinux
>

That's https://git.devuan.org/

==
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Re: [DNG] The website of Devuan

[richard lucassen]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 17:41:12 +0200
Jaromil  wrote:

> yes, it has multilingual support and is translatable.
> 
> work is ongoing, beta should be out this week

And please put a "last updated on " ;-)

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Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50

[aitor_czr]

El 19/04/16 a las 10:09, Noel Torres  escribió:

aitor_czr  escribió:

>On 19/04/16 04:15, Gregory Nowak  wrote:

>>On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 08:36:13PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

Ascii will be the name of version 1, won't it?

>>That will be jessie as far as I know.
> > Ascii is the codename of the testing branch in the same way as 
Ceres > is the codename of the unstable branch (sid in debian). Isn't 
it? > > Aitor.
Ascii is the codename for the _current_ testing, not "for the testing 
branch". Ascii will become stable, someday. Ceres is the codename for 
unstable, which will be always unstable. It gets copied to testing on 
stable release (and as such the disappearing of the previous testing)

Ok, thanks for your clarification.

  Aitor.
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

[Jaromil]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Simon Walter wrote:

> Just from a quick glance, it looks really nice - much better than
> the current site.

thanks to Hellekin and Golinux.
I agree they have done an outstanding job!

the aim is really at consolidating short and sharp documentation.

one thing Debian really suffers from: the dispersion of its docs.
This is understandable since it is sedimented from years of
activity.

By starting from scratch with Devuan's documentation I think we can
really make the life easier to newcomers and professionals using
Devuan.

ciao
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Re: [DNG] The website of Devuan

[Jaromil]

dear Aitor,

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, aitor_czr wrote:
>  On the other hand, will be the website multilingual?

yes, it has multilingual support and is translatable.

work is ongoing, beta should be out this week

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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 23:41:34 +1000
BohwaZ  wrote:


> For Skype you can use apulse (like this: $ apulse skype) which wraps
> calls to PulseAudio directly to Alsa without requiring any PA
> component. It works well.

If this is true, BohwaZ, I'll owe you a BIG favor.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[BohwaZ]

Le Mon, 18 Apr 2016 16:31:51 +0200, Didier Kryn  a
écrit :

>  All of this seems very attractive. At the moment I just see one 
> point which is still a nightmare and is not in your list: the sound
> system.
> 
>  Could it be possible to work out a setup of the sound system
> simple enough for the random admin to understand  how it works and
> make educated choices? Eg some set up which would not use Pulse,
> except for those apps which exclusively want it, like Skype.
> 
>  Do you seriously consider it possible to keep systemd in one of 
> these eggs?

I have been using Alsa alone with great success for years, it just
works, with dmix and dplug to manage multiple sources and channels. I
used to have PulseAudio and every time it was a nightmare: the
configuration is weird and complicated, the GUI tools sometimes don't
work giving no helpful message, and the network forwarding of sound
crashed all the time.

For about 4 years PulseAudio was my nightmare at each upgrade it broke
again. Then I just removed it and used Alsa, never had any regret.

For Skype you can use apulse (like this: $ apulse skype) which wraps
calls to PulseAudio directly to Alsa without requiring any PA
component. It works well.

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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[Go Linux]

On Tue, 4/19/16, Hendrik Boom  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
 To: dng@lists.dyne.org
 Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2016, 8:32 AM
 
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 02:17:43PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote:
> On 04/18/2016 07:13 PM, Noel Torres wrote:
> >* our own bug reporting system
> >
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am a bit surprised there is no bug tracker and some other architecture.
>
> I would like to help make this a reality. Who is "in charge" of that
> and who decides this kind of thing?

More to the point, what is being used s a bug tracker now?  Something
on github, maybe?

-- hendrik



To report a bug, open an issue under the appropriate project in Devuan's gitlab 
(not github) at https://git.devuan.org/.  You will need to register to do so.

golinux
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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 02:17:43PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote:
> On 04/18/2016 07:13 PM, Noel Torres wrote:
> >* our own bug reporting system
> >
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am a bit surprised there is no bug tracker and some other architecture.
> 
> I would like to help make this a reality. Who is "in charge" of that
> and who decides this kind of thing?

More to the point, what is being used s a bug tracker now?  Something 
on github, maybe? 

-- hendrik
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[DNG] jessie, ascii, ceres, and beta.

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:01:15AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 09:46:36PM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> > Go Linux  escribió:
> > >
> > >This is putting the cart before the horse IMO.  It would be nice
> > >to get the beta out the door before focusing on ascii.   Any
> > >chance some of that energy could be directed towards the beta
> > >release?
> > >
> > My energy is mostly useless for Jessie beta, as it is now. The best
> > I can do at this stage is report bugs (and we don't have a bug
> > tracker) and think about things when I have a little time. And this
> > is what I'm doing :D
> 
> I have not followed things very closely. Is the implication that "beta"
> is now being named testing/Ascii?

beta is the beta for jessie, which corresponds to Debian jessie, which 
is currently Debian stable.

And if I recall the other names correctly,

ascii corresponds to the next Debian release, which I think is 
testing/stretch.

Ceres corresponds to unstable/sid.

> I'm still running debian Wheezie on my main system and devuan Jessie on
> a secondary system.

I'm running devuan jessie on my laptop and debian wheezy on my server.
I plan to upgrade the server to devuan jessie when I have the time.
I may have to replace the hardware first, which is failing in ways that 
do not seriously affect daily operation, but do affect long-term 
stability.

> While I could install Jessie on the main system and
> remove systemd, there's so many other problems with Jessie that I
> hesitate to do so and await Devuan beta/Ascii. But this has been a long
> wait. Is there any sense of when beta/testing/Ascii will be ready? This
> year? In six months?

It'll be jessie that emerges as beta.  The discussion about 
ascii here is about what we might do after jessie finally gets its 
official roduction release.  (never mind that a number of people are 
successfully using it for production now).

I think the developers are being *very* conservative about when they 
consider it ready for beta, given the poisonous political atmosphere 
that has developed around systemd-or-not.

-- hendrik

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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[Haines Brown]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 09:46:36PM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> Go Linux  escribió:
> >
> >This is putting the cart before the horse IMO.  It would be nice
> >to get the beta out the door before focusing on ascii.   Any
> >chance some of that energy could be directed towards the beta
> >release?
> >
> My energy is mostly useless for Jessie beta, as it is now. The best
> I can do at this stage is report bugs (and we don't have a bug
> tracker) and think about things when I have a little time. And this
> is what I'm doing :D

I have not followed things very closely. Is the implication that "beta"
is now being named testing/Ascii?

I'm still running debian Wheezie on my main system and devuan Jessie on
a secondary system. While I could install Jessie on the main system and
remove systemd, there's so many other problems with Jessie that I
hesitate to do so and await Devuan beta/Ascii. But this has been a long
wait. Is there any sense of when beta/testing/Ascii will be ready? This
year? In six months?

Haines Brown
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Re: [DNG] asteroids and release names.

[Noel Torres]

aitor_czr  escribió:


On 19/04/16 04:15, Gregory Nowak  wrote:

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 08:36:13PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

Ascii will be the name of version 1, won't it?

That will be jessie as far as I know.


Ascii is the codename of the testing branch in the same way as Ceres  
is the codename of the unstable branch (sid in debian). Isn't it?


  Aitor.


Ascii is the codename for the _current_ testing, not "for the testing  
branch". Ascii will become stable, someday.


Ceres is the codename for unstable, which will be always unstable. It  
gets copied to testing on stable release (and as such the disappearing  
of the previous testing)


Regards

Noel
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