Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 05:40:57PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:52:41PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> > Dear Devuaners,
> > 
> > inspired by the recent thread about unofficial devuan live images
> > obtained with refracta tools, in the last few days I have been
> > experimenting with a small-footprint version of Devuan Jessie Beta. My
> > goal was to obtain a fully functional minimal system using standard
> > Devuan packages and less than 250 MB. The main purpose would be a
> > minimal system to put on a small USB key or on a card CDROM.
> > 
> > The results of those experiments can be found here:
> > 
> >   http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu/
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The link provided on this page doesn't resolve:
> 
> http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu/iso/devuan-1.0-beta-minimal-unofficial-20160511_1204.iso
> 

Sorry, I was playing around with two new images. Please try now. The
link for that image is:

http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu/iso/old/devuan-1.0-beta-minimal-unofficial-20160511_1204.iso

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Joel Roth]

On Sat, May 07, 2016 at 11:43:48AM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
> If someone want to see what Devuan-Jessie beta looks like without
> installing it, I made some live isos. I expect that there will eventually
> be an official Devuan-Live, but this is not it. HTH.
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/

I found this:

unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160506_1604.iso

Can it be booted with qemu?

I tried this, and got a kernel panic:

qemu-system-x68_64 --enable-kvm -cdrom 
unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160506_1604.iso

Anyone have a better incantation?
 
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

[Joel Roth]

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:52:41PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> Dear Devuaners,
> 
> inspired by the recent thread about unofficial devuan live images
> obtained with refracta tools, in the last few days I have been
> experimenting with a small-footprint version of Devuan Jessie Beta. My
> goal was to obtain a fully functional minimal system using standard
> Devuan packages and less than 250 MB. The main purpose would be a
> minimal system to put on a small USB key or on a card CDROM.
> 
> The results of those experiments can be found here:
> 
>   http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu/

Hi,

The link provided on this page doesn't resolve:

http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu/iso/devuan-1.0-beta-minimal-unofficial-20160511_1204.iso

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Re: [DNG] USB file transfer to your Android device

[Brad Campbell]

On 13/05/16 09:35, Steve Litt wrote:

The following document looked pretty good, but the author kept pulling
unexplained things out of every orifice, so it was impossible to know
how the commands applied to me:

https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/USB_Devices_in_Virtual_Machines

USB passthrough is a pretty complex thing because I have a Void host, a
Devuan guest, by necessity I have a USB hub. There are so many
variables that, without finding a person who really knows how this
stuff works, I could spend days.


Hey Steve,

USB passthrough can be either complex or simple. I kinda like it the 
simple way.


Here's how I pass iOS devices through to a Windows VM on my desktop and 
laptop.


 I add these three lines to my qemu command line script

 -usb\
 -device nec-usb-xhci,id=xhci\
 -device usb-host,bus=xhci.0,vendorid=0x05ac,productid=0x1261 \

The first tells qemu we want the usb stack. The second creates a virtual 
xhci controller and associated root hub, and the third assigns any 
device plugged into the host with the VID/PID pair through to the VM.


With that, when I plug my iOS device into the host, qemu claims it and 
pokes it through to the VM. VID/PID can be just pulled from lsusb when 
you plug the device into your host.


There are other ways whereby you can attache busses and hubs to the qemu 
instance, but that seems pretty complex when you just want to pass a 
single device through (or multiple devices even).


eg :
 -usb\
 -device nec-usb-xhci,id=xhci\
 -device usb-host,bus=xhci.0,vendorid=0x05ac,productid=0x1261 \
 -device usb-host,bus=xhci.0,vendorid=0x05ac,productid=0x12ab \
 -device usb-host,bus=xhci.0,vendorid=0x05ac,productid=0x12aa \
 -device usb-host,bus=xhci.0,vendorid=0x05ac,productid=0x1281 \


That passes through my iPad, my Wife's iPad, my iPod and a mates iPod if 
any or all of them are connected to the host simultaneously.


Now this works with pretty much anything I've tried from iPads to HASP 
dongles, digital cameras. You get the idea.


When I pass through my Blackberry for a firmware update, it uses one PID 
for normal mode and another PID for the bootloader, so I need both of 
those. Come to think of it, so do the iOS devices when you are firmware 
updating them. Just claim both and you are good to go.


Normally I'd just pass the VID through  and wildcard the PID, but since 
my desktop and laptop are Apple hardware I end up claiming the accessory 
devices as well (like camera, sound card and keyboard), so I use both 
VID and PID.



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Re: [DNG] devuan-sdk

[. fsmithred]

Yes, I'd like to help. How do I get up to speed on the sdk?

Note: I'm probably going to be slow in responding, because I'm away from
home this week, and using a web browser for email makes me want to kill
someone. But I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you.

-fsr


On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Ozi Traveller 
wrote:

> Thanks you Jaromil, I appreciate your effort in the sdk and devuan as a
> whole!
>
> I have see Parazyd's work in advancing the sdk and applaud his efforts
> too!
>
> As part of the refactored buildpackage process, will it be possible to
> bring packages from upstream to stable backports, e.g i3, spacefm, ...?
>
> Ozi
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Jaromil  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 May 2016, Ozi Traveller wrote:
>>
>> >I did a an install and setup up last night in a vm, and I need to
>> install
>> >a couple of packages that weren't in the instructions: git-core, zsh.
>>
>> ACK. will add those
>>
>> >I managed to get sdk-init to work, after some fiddling.
>> >
>> >I did sdk-chroot-arch amd64 which looked successful, but
>> sdk-chroot-build
>> >failed with errors.
>>
>> I know this part is currently under re-factoring because many things
>> have changed in the past 2 years. This SDK was useful to completely
>> bootstrap Devuan at a time in which our repositories did not
>> exist. Now the situation is far better and I plan to drop some code
>> and functionalities to have a more lean and modular system.
>>
>> in particular the package building part should be refactored to work
>> with git-buildpackage, to optionally import debian packages from
>> alioth and then finally to offer a local repository of built packages
>> for the chroot.
>>
>> I'm planning to do this in the coming months, but cannot provide an
>> exact schedule.
>>
>> >It would be good, if there was someone who has this working to do a
>> step
>> >by step to do the setup. Also to do a build too, because the
>> instructions
>> >aren't clear.
>>
>> you are welcome to propose corrections wherever you think they should
>> be. With exception for the package building part which has to be
>> rewritten.
>>
>> >If devuan-sdk is the way forward for creating an iso, then I'd like
>> to
>> >understand it better.
>>
>> it is one of the ways forward and is provided for people wanting to
>> prepare custom isos with custom packages. Please note we have
>> modularised the whole setup so now there is:
>>
>> - devuan-sdk : local chroot and package build (TODO refactor)
>> - vm-sdk : takes any iso (also devuan-sdk) and build various VM images
>> - arm-sdk : takes any iso (also devuan-sdk) and build various ARM images
>>
>> >In terms of features, will the sdk replace live-build at some stage?
>>
>> I think that will be another module, live-sdk, and will likely be
>> built on top of refracta scripts. Parazyd is investigating this now
>> and proposing to fsmithred some changes to enhance interoperability
>> with our setup, lets see how that goes. I'd like to have fsmithred
>> included in our team to maintain it, but maybe he doesn't want to get
>> involved that much.
>>
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[DNG] The beta theme looks great!

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

I just installed the beta, in a VM, using the x64 DVD iso.

In my opinion, the user interface was very pleasing. The faded purple
is very relaxing. The fonts are all crisp and clear, even in a tiny VM.
And I **LOVE** the fact that the titlebar of the focused window is an
extremely different color than those without focus. I'm a production
man, and appreciate knowing at the quickest glance which window has
focus.

Great job on the UI.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] USB file transfer to your Android device

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 11 May 2016 18:03:23 +0200
Adam Borowski  wrote:

> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 11:31:19AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Unfortunately, I don't have metal hardware installed with Devuan,
> > and I don't know how to simulate USB on Qemu VM guests, so this
> > wasn't done on Devuan.  
> 
> http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/USB_Host_Device_Assigned_to_Guest

Thanks Adam,

Unfortunately, I couldn't get the preceding to work. I googled for a
couple hours and tried to get some way to do USB passthrough, but
everything I found was both ambiguous and contradicted the other things
on the net.

The following document looked pretty good, but the author kept pulling
unexplained things out of every orifice, so it was impossible to know
how the commands applied to me:

https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/USB_Devices_in_Virtual_Machines

USB passthrough is a pretty complex thing because I have a Void host, a
Devuan guest, by necessity I have a USB hub. There are so many
variables that, without finding a person who really knows how this
stuff works, I could spend days.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] devuan security repo working? Samba error

[Daniel Reurich]

Hi NCW

Your issue with samba stems security.debian.org having a really sloppy
repository with 2 versions of the same package in the same suite and
amprolla ignores the second entry in the Packages file for that one.
Additionally security.debian.org also has an issue in that samba-common
shouldn't be in Binary-amd64/Packages[.gz|.xz] at all as it's an
Architecture independent package.  So somebody or something really
screwed up there.  I've raised the issue with s.d.o about their archive
being borked.

Anyway to work around this we'll need to fix amprolla to deal with the
first issue... the second doesn't seem harmful and we don't want the
additional overhead of having to check that whilst building the merged
mirrors.








On 03/05/16 09:01, NCW RC wrote:
> It appears that the devuan repo is not pulling in the newer samba 4.2
> but rather the older 4.1 programs of samba-libs and samba-common.  Is
> Devuan's security repo functioning now?  I have read that it is and that
> it isn't, so I am unsure and I wanted to let someone know about this.
> 
> 
> I have a new beta (dvd) install and this is my sources.list:
> 
> 
> deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main contrib non-free
> deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
> deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main contrib
> non-free
> #deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
> 
> 
> When I try to pull security updates from the devuan repo, It wants to
> remove samba.  I get this:
> 
> root@server:/home/user# apt-get dist-upgrade
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree  
> Reading state information... Done
> Calculating upgrade... The following packages were automatically
> installed and are no longer required:
>   libhdb9-heimdal libkdc2-heimdal python-dnspython samba-dsdb-modules
>   tdb-tools
> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
> Done
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>   samba samba-common-bin
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   libldb1 libsmbclient python-ldb python-samba samba-dsdb-modules samba-libs
> 6 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 6,702 kB of archives.
> After this operation, 11.9 MB disk space will be freed.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
> 
> 
> In digging a little further, I try to install a samba related program
> "libnss-winbind" with the devuan security repo, and I get this
> information along with a failure to continue:
> 
> 
>  Depends: samba-common (=2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u2) but
> 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2 is to be installed
>  Depends: winbind but it is not going to be installed
>  Depends: samba-libs (=2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u2) but
> 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2 is to be installed
> 
> 
> 
> When I try to update from the debian security repo, it does not want to
> remove samba, and it updates samba correctly with no errors:
> 
> root@server:/home/user# apt-get dist-upgrade
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree  
> Reading state information... Done
> Calculating upgrade... The following packages were automatically
> installed and are no longer required:
>   libgssapi3-heimdal libheimntlm0-heimdal libkdc2-heimdal
> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
> Done
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   libldb1 libsmbclient python-ldb python-samba samba samba-common
>   samba-common-bin samba-dsdb-modules samba-libs
> 9 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 8,578 kB of archives.
> After this operation, 1,213 kB of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
> 
> 
>  For some reason, the devuan security "merged" repo is not picking up
> the newer debian samba programs.  It did pick up some other security
> updates though.  It has been like this for three days.  I thought the
> issue would correct itself, but it hasn't, yet.
> 
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Re: [DNG] Samba package

[Hughe Chung]

Hi,

I use aptitude when dependency prevents installing a package. Give it a 
try.


$ sudo aptitude install package_name




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Re: [DNG] Never again

[. fsmithred]

Steve,

Did you figure out how to get the DVD to install from the DVD, or did you
not notice that you were doing a netinstall? (or is beta2 out already?)

Your computer has enough RAM to go around? 4096 is around 10 times what you
need. Xfce will come up and work fine with 250mb (until you want to use a
web browser.)

-fsr

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Steve Litt 
wrote:

> On Thu, 12 May 2016 18:46:51 -0400
> Steve Litt  wrote:
>
>
> > Meanwhile, after 40 minutes, my DVD-sized install media appears to be
> > about halfway through the install process.
> >
> > So this wasn't about Devuan, and it wasn't about the size of the
> > install ISO. I had a wrong qemu command.
>
> With the correct qemu command, the installation finished in somewhere
> between 55 and 70 minutes (I was elsewhere on Skype). I booted to the
> image, and it ran snappy.
>
> Thanks for all your help and encouragement.
>
> SteveT
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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 12 May 2016 18:46:51 -0400
Steve Litt  wrote:


> Meanwhile, after 40 minutes, my DVD-sized install media appears to be
> about halfway through the install process.
> 
> So this wasn't about Devuan, and it wasn't about the size of the
> install ISO. I had a wrong qemu command.

With the correct qemu command, the installation finished in somewhere
between 55 and 70 minutes (I was elsewhere on Skype). I booted to the
image, and it ran snappy.

Thanks for all your help and encouragement.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 12 May 2016 23:22:35 +0100
KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:44:47PM +0200, Harald Arnesen wrote:
> > Steve Litt [2016-05-12 22:29]:  
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > The last several years, with Debian, Lubuntu, Void, and Devuan
> > > Alpha, I installed from either a tiny ISO or a network install
> > > ISO. Yesterday and today, while installing from the Devuan DVD
> > > ISO, I was reminded why I always did this.
> > > 
> > > I started this install last night, and it's still not finished.
> > > I've installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster. The whole time, whenever
> > > the VM hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was
> > > taking over 90% of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's
> > > progress.
> > > 
> > > If this thing isn't finished within 2 hours, I'm going to wipe my
> > > VM clean and start over with a network install. And I'm never
> > > going to install from a full ISO again.  
> > 
> > Strange. I installed Devuan from the beta version in a virtual
> > machine yeserday, less than one hour.  
> 
> Same over here. I have installed several times from netinst in expert
> mode under qemu (with kvm enabled) and it works smoothly. A complete
> installation of a basic system requires less than one hour in quemu.

Same here. I use shellscripts to do the qemu commands. After
discovering my rundevuan.sh shellscript was slow installing Ubuntu too,
I copied my known-good runlyxbuntu.sh script to rundevuan.sh (after
backing it up as rundevuan_slow.sh), changed the ISO and image file and
changed drive to d (for cdrom), ran it again, and it's much, much
faster.

My qemu command had been wrong somehow.

The beauty of my situation is that I have the root cause trapped
between the working rundevuan.sh and the molasses slow
rundevuan_slow.sh, so once I'm installed, I can exploit the
differences, slowly changing copies of each until I can make one
emulate the other by toggling one factor. I've got this badboy trapped.

Meanwhile, after 40 minutes, my DVD-sized install media appears to be
about halfway through the install process.

So this wasn't about Devuan, and it wasn't about the size of the
install ISO. I had a wrong qemu command.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Never again

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:44:47PM +0200, Harald Arnesen wrote:
> Steve Litt [2016-05-12 22:29]:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > The last several years, with Debian, Lubuntu, Void, and Devuan Alpha, I
> > installed from either a tiny ISO or a network install ISO. Yesterday
> > and today, while installing from the Devuan DVD ISO, I was reminded why
> > I always did this.
> > 
> > I started this install last night, and it's still not finished. I've
> > installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster. The whole time, whenever the VM
> > hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was taking over 90%
> > of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's progress.
> > 
> > If this thing isn't finished within 2 hours, I'm going to wipe my VM
> > clean and start over with a network install. And I'm never going to
> > install from a full ISO again.
> 
> Strange. I installed Devuan from the beta version in a virtual machine
> yeserday, less than one hour.

Same over here. I have installed several times from netinst in expert
mode under qemu (with kvm enabled) and it works smoothly. A complete
installation of a basic system requires less than one hour in quemu.

HND

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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 12 May 2016 17:56:09 -0400
Steve Litt  wrote:

> On Thu, 12 May 2016 16:29:56 -0400
> Steve Litt  wrote:
> 
> 
> > I started this install last night, and it's still not finished. I've
> > installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster.  
> 
> There's something weird going on. It finally installed, I booted the
> image, and it's behaving like I don't have enable_kvm, which I do:
> 
> ==
> #!/bin/sh
> 
> qemu-system-x86_64  -m 4096 -hda devuan.img -boot c -ctrl-grab \
>  -cdrom /scratch/linuxinst/devuan/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_DVD.iso
>  -vga std  -enable-kvm \
> -netdev user,id=mynet0  -device e1000,netdev=mynet0
> 
> # -show-cursor
> 
> 
> #-netdev user,id=mynet0  -device e1000,netdev=mynet0 
> # -netdev tap,id=mynet0 -device e1000,netdev=mynet0
> 
> #/scratch/linuxinst/sysrescuecd/systemrescuecd-x86-4.3.0.iso
> 
> #lubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso
> 
> # -show-cursor
> 
> ==
> 
> The preceding script shows how I ran it.
> 
> I'm going to use that exact script, with Ubuntu 14.04, to see if I get
> the same turtle slowness. This should identify any problems I have
> with the script I ran it with.

The problem happened with Ubuntu too, so this is almost certainly not a
Devuan or a DVD-sized installer problem.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

[Svante Signell]

On Thu, 2016-05-12 at 22:59 +0200, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2016 10:49:15 +0200
> aitor_czr  wrote:
> 
> > Sorry for my two latest emails. The date was wrong again... It's
> > due
> > to the BIOS of one concrete computer.
> 
> 
> Hi Aitor,
> 
> if you run openntpd, you could set the '-s' flag under DAEMON_OPTS
> in /etc/default/openntpd to force time synchronization at boot, see
> openntpd(8). Works fine for my RPi which otherwise fails to start
> dnssec'ed unbound, because it can't verify the root trust anchor.

ntpdate/ntpdate-debian/ntpd is also available to regularly update the
time of your box.
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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 12 May 2016 23:44:47 +0200
Harald Arnesen  wrote:

> Steve Litt [2016-05-12 22:29]:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > The last several years, with Debian, Lubuntu, Void, and Devuan
> > Alpha, I installed from either a tiny ISO or a network install ISO.
> > Yesterday and today, while installing from the Devuan DVD ISO, I
> > was reminded why I always did this.
> > 
> > I started this install last night, and it's still not finished. I've
> > installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster. The whole time, whenever the VM
> > hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was taking over
> > 90% of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's progress.
> > 
> > If this thing isn't finished within 2 hours, I'm going to wipe my VM
> > clean and start over with a network install. And I'm never going to
> > install from a full ISO again.  
> 
> Strange. I installed Devuan from the beta version in a virtual machine
> yeserday, less than one hour.

Yeah, there's something really wrong going on with my setup.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 12 May 2016 16:29:56 -0400
Steve Litt  wrote:


> I started this install last night, and it's still not finished. I've
> installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster.

There's something weird going on. It finally installed, I booted the
image, and it's behaving like I don't have enable_kvm, which I do:

==
#!/bin/sh

qemu-system-x86_64  -m 4096 -hda devuan.img -boot c -ctrl-grab \
 -cdrom /scratch/linuxinst/devuan/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_DVD.iso
 -vga std  -enable-kvm \
-netdev user,id=mynet0  -device e1000,netdev=mynet0

# -show-cursor


#-netdev user,id=mynet0  -device e1000,netdev=mynet0 
# -netdev tap,id=mynet0 -device e1000,netdev=mynet0

#/scratch/linuxinst/sysrescuecd/systemrescuecd-x86-4.3.0.iso

#lubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso

# -show-cursor

==

The preceding script shows how I ran it.

I'm going to use that exact script, with Ubuntu 14.04, to see if I get
the same turtle slowness. This should identify any problems I have with
the script I ran it with.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Harald Arnesen]

Steve Litt [2016-05-12 22:29]:
> Hi all,
> 
> The last several years, with Debian, Lubuntu, Void, and Devuan Alpha, I
> installed from either a tiny ISO or a network install ISO. Yesterday
> and today, while installing from the Devuan DVD ISO, I was reminded why
> I always did this.
> 
> I started this install last night, and it's still not finished. I've
> installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster. The whole time, whenever the VM
> hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was taking over 90%
> of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's progress.
> 
> If this thing isn't finished within 2 hours, I'm going to wipe my VM
> clean and start over with a network install. And I'm never going to
> install from a full ISO again.

Strange. I installed Devuan from the beta version in a virtual machine
yeserday, less than one hour.
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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 12 May 2016 23:49:42 +0300
Hakan Peker  wrote:

> On 05/12/2016 11:29 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > The whole time, whenever the VM
> > hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was taking over
> > 90% of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's progress.  
> 
> This is strange, not the part that it is slow but it is CPU bound.
> Can you check what is using the cpu by switching to tty?

What do you mean by "switching to tty?"

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

[Florian Zieboll]

On Thu, 12 May 2016 10:49:15 +0200
aitor_czr  wrote:

> Sorry for my two latest emails. The date was wrong again... It's due
> to the BIOS of one concrete computer.


Hi Aitor,

if you run openntpd, you could set the '-s' flag under DAEMON_OPTS
in /etc/default/openntpd to force time synchronization at boot, see
openntpd(8). Works fine for my RPi which otherwise fails to start
dnssec'ed unbound, because it can't verify the root trust anchor.

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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Hakan Peker]

On 05/12/2016 11:29 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

The whole time, whenever the VM
hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was taking over 90%
of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's progress.


This is strange, not the part that it is slow but it is CPU bound. Can 
you check what is using the cpu by switching to tty?


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[DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

The last several years, with Debian, Lubuntu, Void, and Devuan Alpha, I
installed from either a tiny ISO or a network install ISO. Yesterday
and today, while installing from the Devuan DVD ISO, I was reminded why
I always did this.

I started this install last night, and it's still not finished. I've
installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster. The whole time, whenever the VM
hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was taking over 90%
of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's progress.

If this thing isn't finished within 2 hours, I'm going to wipe my VM
clean and start over with a network install. And I'm never going to
install from a full ISO again.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Devuan install media

[Paweł Cholewiński]

Hello,
on Devuan CD ISO is less than 1500 deb packages so You canno't install
complete setup without network.

p

W dniu 12.05.2016 o 10:43, Emilio J. Salmerón pisze:
> Hello everyone. This is my first post.
> Congratulations on Devuan beta,
> 
> I'm trying Devuan i386 in an old notebook. Both Devuan ISO CD as Devuan
> NETINSTALL download all packages from Devuan mirrors (or I have not
> found a way to do it), so my question is, what is the difference in both
> media? Is possible to do a full installation from a CD without network
> connection?
> IMHO, a full media should be able to install a complete setup without
> network.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> emiDevices.
> 
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[DNG] non-matching i386 and amd64 packages

[Noel Torres]

Hi all

Right in this moment, libdbus-1-3:i386 is on version 1.10.6-1 in the  
repo, but libdbus-1-3:amd64 is on version 1.10.8-1+devuan1


On the server, version 1.10.8-1+devuan1 is available for i386, but my  
aptitude seems unable to detect it.


Regards

Noel
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 01:11:19AM +0100, aitor_czr wrote:
> 
> On 12/05/16 09:34, KatolaZ wrote:
> >>rpl
> >>curl
> >I can't see the need for rpl in a minimal install, to be honest:)  I
> >might probably consider curl, even if you have wget and netcat in
> >there already.
> >
> >Thanks for all the comments.
> >
> >KatolaZ
> 
> I proposed rpl because i use a script in devuan-installer wich
> depends on it.
> 

OK. I will put it in the wishlist then :)

HND

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

[aitor_czr]

On 05/12/2016 10:43 AM, aitor_czr  wrote:

On 12/05/16 09:34, KatolaZ wrote:

>>rpl
>>curl

>I can't see the need for rpl in a minimal install, to be honest:)  I
>might probably consider curl, even if you have wget and netcat in
>there already.
>
>Thanks for all the comments.
>
>KatolaZ

I proposed rpl because i use a script in devuan-installer wich depends
on it.

Aitor.


Sorry for my two latest emails. The date was wrong again... It's due to 
the BIOS of one concrete computer.


I'm aware that it can be quite annoying. I'll be carefull.

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[DNG] Devuan install media

[Emilio J . Salmerón]

Hello everyone. This is my first post.
Congratulations on Devuan beta,

I'm trying Devuan i386 in an old notebook. Both Devuan ISO CD as Devuan
NETINSTALL download all packages from Devuan mirrors (or I have not found a
way to do it), so my question is, what is the difference in both media? Is
possible to do a full installation from a CD without network connection?
IMHO, a full media should be able to install a complete setup without
network.

Cheers

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

[aitor_czr]

On 12/05/16 09:34, KatolaZ wrote:

rpl
curl

I can't see the need for rpl in a minimal install, to be honest:)  I
might probably consider curl, even if you have wget and netcat in
there already.

Thanks for all the comments.

KatolaZ


I proposed rpl because i use a script in devuan-installer wich depends 
on it.


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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

[aitor_czr]

On 12/05/16 09:36, aitor_czr > wrote:

But keep in mind that the size of the iso will increment a little,
>due to the .udeb packages.


*increase* a little :)

  Aitor.

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

[Daniel Reurich]

On 12/05/16 19:20, aitor_czr wrote:
> 
> 
> On 05/12/2016 08:09 AM, KatolaZ  wrote:
>>> debootstrap --minbase would be a good place to start, rather than
>>> ripping
>>> >down an existing image.
>>> >
>>> >I know this is possible with live build.
>>> >
>> I had tried that in the past, with a previous Debian stable, and I
>> still got a lot of garbage installed at that time. But I will give it
>> a try again, since it would be easier to customise.
>>
>> HND
>>
>> KatolaZ
> 
> What about adding debian installer to it?
> 
> But keep in mind that the size of the iso will increment a little, due
> to the .udeb packages.
> 
just debootstrap would be enough for that.



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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 09:20:54AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote:
> 
> 
> On 05/12/2016 08:09 AM, KatolaZ  wrote:
> >>debootstrap --minbase would be a good place to start, rather than ripping
> >>>down an existing image.
> >>>
> >>>I know this is possible with live build.
> >>>
> >I had tried that in the past, with a previous Debian stable, and I
> >still got a lot of garbage installed at that time. But I will give it
> >a try again, since it would be easier to customise.
> >
> >HND
> >
> >KatolaZ
> 
> What about adding debian installer to it?
> 
> But keep in mind that the size of the iso will increment a little,
> due to the .udeb packages.
> 

In principle you can already install it using refractainstaller, which
is shipped with the image, but I haven't tested it so far. My original
idea was to have an ISO for a live system, stripped down to the bare
minimum but with all the *necessary* stuff in place, and with the
smallest possible footprint.

HND

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 09:13:23AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote:

[cut]

> 
> Thanks, KatolaZ !
> 
> I'll have a look at the list of packages. I would propose, for example:
> 
> locales

already there.

> util-linux-locales

always hated that :D

> user-setup

already there.

> console-setup

already there.

> rpl
> curl

I can't see the need for rpl in a minimal install, to be honest :) I
might probably consider curl, even if you have wget and netcat in
there already.

Thanks for all the comments.

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

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On 05/12/2016 08:09 AM, KatolaZ  wrote:

debootstrap --minbase would be a good place to start, rather than ripping
>down an existing image.
>
>I know this is possible with live build.
>

I had tried that in the past, with a previous Debian stable, and I
still got a lot of garbage installed at that time. But I will give it
a try again, since it would be easier to customise.

HND

KatolaZ


What about adding debian installer to it?

But keep in mind that the size of the iso will increment a little, due 
to the .udeb packages.


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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

[aitor_czr]

On 05/12/2016 02:30 AM, KatolaZ  wrote:

Dear Devuaners,

inspired by the recent thread about unofficial devuan live images
obtained with refracta tools, in the last few days I have been
experimenting with a small-footprint version of Devuan Jessie Beta. My
goal was to obtain a fully functional minimal system using standard
Devuan packages and less than 250 MB. The main purpose would be a
minimal system to put on a small USB key or on a card CDROM.

The results of those experiments can be found here:

   http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu/

It is a minimal UNOFFICIAL live ISO image of Devuan Jessie Beta, which
includes a few ncurses-based personal productivity packages, a couple
of editors, basic versions of perl and python, and some additional
stuff. Nothing more. No bloat. No X. Even if I am considering adding
Xorg + DWM, at the cost of a few more megabytes.

The image boots in a few seconds, and should run on anything amd64
with more than 64MB of RAM. I will probably provide also an i386
image.

Please feel free to try it and send comments and/or suggestions. I
will now try to understand how the whole process can be simplified
using the devuan sdk.

HH

KatolaZ


Thanks, KatolaZ !

I'll have a look at the list of packages. I would propose, for example:

locales
util-linux-locales
user-setup
console-setup
rpl
curl

Cheers,

  Aitor
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