Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

[Dan Purgert]

On 03/15/2017 12:00 AM, メット wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2017年3月15日 12:40:48 JST, Don Wright  wrote:
>> Steve Litt wrote:
>>> Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of
>>> people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt
>>> on it please.
> 
>> Add mine too. I was a Debian supporter and pusher through my local LUG,
>> showing Linux (mostly Debian-based) and handing out CDs at the
>> occasional trade show, and also participating a bit on the debian-boot
>> (installer development) maillist. The increasing arrogance within the
>> project, demonstrated strongly by the systemd debacle, is what made me
>> a
>> former Debian user.
> 
>> Don Wright
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> 
> Add mine as well
> 
> 

And my axe!

... er... :)

me too!



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Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

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On 2017年3月15日 12:40:48 JST, Don Wright  wrote:
>Steve Litt wrote:
>>Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of
>>people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt
>>on it please.
>
>Add mine too. I was a Debian supporter and pusher through my local LUG,
>showing Linux (mostly Debian-based) and handing out CDs at the
>occasional trade show, and also participating a bit on the debian-boot
>(installer development) maillist. The increasing arrogance within the
>project, demonstrated strongly by the systemd debacle, is what made me
>a
>former Debian user.
>
>Don Wright
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Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

[Don Wright]

Steve Litt wrote:
>Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of
>people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt
>on it please.

Add mine too. I was a Debian supporter and pusher through my local LUG,
showing Linux (mostly Debian-based) and handing out CDs at the
occasional trade show, and also participating a bit on the debian-boot
(installer development) maillist. The increasing arrogance within the
project, demonstrated strongly by the systemd debacle, is what made me a
former Debian user.

Don Wright

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Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

[Gregory Nowak]

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 09:37:45PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of
> people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt
> on it please.

You can add Gregory Nowak to that too. I was for the most part quite
happy on debian until jessie came along. I think that's true for most
if not all of us here.

Greg


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[DNG] We need to speak up

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

There's yet another systemd thread on Debian-User, started by a guy who
wrote an intelligent question about why there's no choice of init at
install time:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg00472.html

After a little back and forth, a guy who claims to have used Linux for
20 years without knowing there's more than one init system, and because
of his personal anecdote he thinks there shouldn't be a choice and says
"Please end this Diskussion and get on with important things."

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg00514.html

A few posts later, a guy basically says "put up or shut up" to the
proposition that the reason there's so little request for sans-systemd
in Debian is because those who don't like systemd moved on:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg00540.html

Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of
people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt
on it please.

We have our quiet sans-systemd corners, and right now they're
comfortable, but remember that the Freedesktop/Redhat/SystemdCabal
consortium has the goal of eliminating systemd as a choice, and they
still have the power to take our init systems away from us, as a
practical matter, so we still need to tell the truth to bullshit like
that on the Debian-User list right now. Obviously there's a technical
component to software choice, but forget at your peril that there's
also a political component.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] New package

[aitor_czr]

El 14/03/17 a las 22:13, Antonio Volpicelli  escribió:

Sorry for the absence but in this period are full of things to do...anyway I 
have ported another 2 packages on devuan :


java-package (from debian jessie)

https://git.devuan.org/nioanto/java-package

aMule (from ubuntu)
https://git.devuan.org/nioanto/amule


you can download from git or

you can test them by installing from my external repository, hezeh.org  (thank 
you parazyd)


Thanks :)

  Aitor.


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Re: [DNG] [Fwd: Re: FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here]]

[jamey]

 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [DNG] [Fwd: Re:  FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here]
From:ja...@beau.org
Date:Tue, March 14, 2017 17:25
To:  "d_pridge" 
Cc:  ja...@beau.org
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> How does the browser know to direct ad traffic to this server but not all
> other traffic.

This works with the /etc/hosts type of ad blocking where you give it a
list of ad servers and point them to 127.0.0.1

Basically, you get a list like https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts and
install it in /etc/hosts - then ad lookups go to 127.0.0.1, where they get
a bad return quicker than timing out from no server available.

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[DNG] New package

[Antonio Volpicelli]

Sorry for the absence but in this period are full of things to do...anyway I 
have ported another 2 packages on devuan :


java-package (from debian jessie)

https://git.devuan.org/nioanto/java-package

aMule (from ubuntu)
https://git.devuan.org/nioanto/amule


you can download from git or

you can test them by installing from my external repository, hezeh.org  (thank 
you parazyd)



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Re: [DNG] getting surf from backports

[Ozi Traveller]

Is this applicable to Devuan's approach to simply backports?

https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation


On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:29 PM, parazyd  wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Mar 2017, KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:03:24AM +1100, Ozi Traveller wrote:
> > > Could we also get the later version of suckless-tools into
> jessie-backports
> > > for the later tabbed and demnu packages?
> > >
> >
> > Hi Ozi,
> >
> > I think it shouldn't bee too difficult to get an updated
> > suckless-tools package in Devuan. I will give a look at the current
> > one and see whether I can try to put together something useful :)
> >
>
> FWIW, you can backport the package from ascii :)
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Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

[jamey]

> A bad idea, because your browser expects some sort of response.
> It's better to replace unwanted content with a small transparent gif.

I used a small tiny server called nweb for this, that only listened on
localhost.  Had it return nothing, so that the browser is happy.
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Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-03-14 12:34, schrieb Brad Campbell:


+10 for privoxy. Does a great job of ad-removal for me and one
instance does the whole house :)


I agree, privoxy is really fine. I consider using it for my old Asus 
eeePC. This netbook is a bit too slow with chromium.

But there is one problem and I don't know at the moment how to solve it:
I'm using "Proxy SwitchyOmega" to use TOR on some sites (I don't want 
social networks to store my ip on every posted message). So I have rules 
to route some traffic over TOR and other goes direct to inet.


Privoxy can also forward traffic to TOR, but my knowledge is that this 
forwarding cannot be domain-based.


Any ideas, how I could use surf and route traffic domain based through 
Privoxy+TOR or Privoxy+DirectConnection?


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Re: [DNG] getting surf from backports

[parazyd]

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017, KatolaZ wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:03:24AM +1100, Ozi Traveller wrote:
> > Could we also get the later version of suckless-tools into jessie-backports
> > for the later tabbed and demnu packages?
> > 
> 
> Hi Ozi,
> 
> I think it shouldn't bee too difficult to get an updated
> suckless-tools package in Devuan. I will give a look at the current
> one and see whether I can try to put together something useful :)
> 

FWIW, you can backport the package from ascii :)

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Re: [DNG] getting surf from backports

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:03:24AM +1100, Ozi Traveller wrote:
> Could we also get the later version of suckless-tools into jessie-backports
> for the later tabbed and demnu packages?
> 

Hi Ozi,

I think it shouldn't bee too difficult to get an updated
suckless-tools package in Devuan. I will give a look at the current
one and see whether I can try to put together something useful :)

HND

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Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

[Brad Campbell]

On 14/03/17 19:19, m wrote:

hi there, do u know privoxy? its a filtering proxy :-)

m.



+10 for privoxy. Does a great job of ad-removal for me and one instance 
does the whole house :)


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Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

[m]

hi there, do u know privoxy? its a filtering proxy :-)

m.

On March 13, 2017 10:13:07 PM CET, Steve Litt  wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:46:05 +0100
>Rob van der Putten  wrote:
>
>> Hi there
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/03/17 16:49, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
>> 
>> > Have you considered rolling your own add-blocking with a list of
>> > unwanted sites in /etc/hosts ?  
>> 
>> A bad idea, because your browser expects some sort of response.
>> It's better to replace unwanted content with a small transparent gif.
>
>How do you do that?
>
>SteveT
>
>Steve Litt
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Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here (Alessandro Selli)

[Miroslav Rovis]

On 170313-12:11+0900, Hughe Chung wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> I just sent a feedback. 
>
Pls. give us the link to your report. Thank you!

> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm writing it on Firefox 51.0.
> > 
> > "Require PulseAudio to play sound on Linux"  This is a false claim. 
> > 
> > There are Linux users who do not use PluseAudio instead they use ALSA, 
> > which is the backend of PluseAudio. PluseAudio had created many issues 
> > especially performance.
> > 
> > I was upset about loosing sound after installation of Firefox 52.0. I don't 
> > want to install PulseAudio in Devuan Linux system at all. Why should I?
> 
> It's disturbing trend that some FOSS organization create false claim to
> justify their new decision that breaks Linux system at the core. 
> 
> I gotta start hunting a reliable web browser that supports WebGL and
> handles Korean and English. 
> 
> Regards,

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Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-03-13 22:13, schrieb Steve Litt:

A bad idea, because your browser expects some sort of response.
It's better to replace unwanted content with a small transparent gif.


How do you do that?


You can use pixelserv on some machine in your network that is always on, 
or simply run it on localhost.

https://www.snbforums.com/threads/pixelserv-a-better-one-pixel-webserver-for-adblock.26114/

Here is a solution for Tomato routers:
http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/script-clean-lean-and-mean-adblocking.68464/

Another nice adblocking solution is privoxy with the easylist filters.
https://projects.zubr.me/wiki/adblock2privoxy

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